Lost 2.17: "Lockdown"

RE: Kelvin—I have watched the first few Season 2 eps several times, and don’t remember Desmond ever saying that Kelvin was out running around in the jungle a lot. He said that Desmond had come running out of the jungle to him, asking him to come back to the hatch with him. They watched the orientation film, saved the world together for a while, and then Kelvin died and Desmond was left there alone.

Unless, of course, Desmond was bonkers when Jack and Locke met him, rendering parts of his story questionable at best.

“The car” is the car that hit Michael (in the street, in his flashback), Kate’s getaway car (in the accident that killed her “only love”), and Locke (in the toy store parking lot). Screencaps were taken of each incident and each time it was the same damn car. There was some discussion of this last season, and whether it was just the show’s “crash car” or whether it was an intentional link. The way this show works, I can’t help feeling it’s intentional.

I think we’re all missing a very important issue. Somebody dropped a pallet of food. The implications of that are huge. Obviously somewhere there is a still functioning organization supporting the island. Did the supplies come from another part of the island or from the outside world? Do the suppliers realize the castaways have taken over the hatch? Did they realize Desmond had taken over from Kelvin? Are the other hatches also getting supply drops? Did the other two hatches the castaways know about get supply drops? Are some of the other hatches still under their original controllers? Is somebody on the island in communications with the outside world?

And you’d think Danielle would have noticed pallets falling from the sky, or found evidence of such drops. Maybe this is a new thing, because there are more people on the island now. But if that were true, why the lockdown? So many questions…

Anyone else notice the new, improved Jack? No more wimpy, wishy-washy stuff for this guy. We now have a take-charge guy who oozwes self-confidence. Maybe the writers are responding to complaints about Jack’s character. I fully expected Sawyer to beat him in the final game (suckering him in with bad play the first time around). I’m sure the writers played it out as they did to show this new Jack’s self-confidence. There’s nothing more cocky than a guy who knows he can win at poker. And I’ll bet Kate doesn’t need a ruler to figure that out!!

Good questions all, but unless there was a dropped blast door in the Arrow hatch (which I don’t recall), there were no supplies squirreled away. It’s not an answer, of course–anybody who knew about the supply drops could have taken Arrow’s food. Another good question is whether the supply drop our group found was just for Swan Station, or for all the hatches.

The supply drop was done because the Losties beat the Others in the last Reward Challenge.

An admittedly weak possibility…

The supply drops could’ve been pre-paid and pre-arranged, with the droppers not really knowing much about who wants them dropped or who they’re dropping them to. It might not indicate a currently active organization away from the island.

Even more importantly… if there was a supply drop, that would imply a plane flying overhead, or a chopper, or something. Surely the food wasn’t dropped in via satellite.

So, none of the lostaways turned their heads skyward and said, “Da plane, boss! Da plane!”

Maybe not, but, from the previews, they all seem to know which way to run to get to the food. Maybe they saw the supply plane after all.

Nah, they’ve just reinstated the post-merge feast.

I was thinking that it’s weird that all the food is Dharma labeled. Unless this is some common brand in the universe of the TV show, the people behind this experiment went to the trouble of relabeling all the food they supplied. I wonder if that was simply done by the producers to avoid showing real name brands, or it means something within the context of the show. With any other show, I’d say the former, but with this show, who knows?

If it’s one big mindfuck psychological experiment, I think it makes sense that none of the food is brand-named.

But there’s always the Apollo bars.

The food might be specially formulated to further the experiment, and perhaps also to stay good for a longer time in tropical conditions. I doubt they’re just repackaging Cheerios.

Regarding the boxes on the map labelled CV 1-4, do we think those are the electromagnets? In particular, CV II seems like it could have been what was on the other side of wall that Jack passed on his first trip into the hatch. This would mean the hatch door that the Losties blew open and used for their initial entry to The Swan would have been the place on the map indicated by HC(?).

Other magnets on the island could have accounted for Sayid’s compass not functioning properly last season.

Right. I don’t think there’s a commercially available brand of ranch dressing that keeps for - what was it? - seven years?

The way I interpreted it — and it’s just my interpretation — the door falls and the black light appears during the supply-drop lockdowns, and it’s during this window of opportunity that the hatch’s occupant frantically scribbles additional notes on the door with a UV-readable crayon or whatever. Say supplies fall once per month; whoever’s manning the station collects information about the island over the course of the month, and during the drop, adds that knowledge to the map. Sort of like Leonard Shelby’s folder in Memento. (The stuff like “I AM HERE” definitely supports this notion.) Then the next occupant, on discovery of the map, has to spend the first couple of lockdowns reading and absorbing the notes during this window, before starting to add his or her own.

Admittedly, this is all speculative, because we don’t know how long the hatch has been here, we don’t know how many previous occupants there have been, we don’t know why there would be a UV crayon, or why black lights would come on during a lockdown…

And actually, now that I think about it, this introduces a possible plot hole. Locke finds the map when he’s on the other side of the blast door from the computer. That means the mapmaker, whoever he is, had to be on that side as well to write it, which means, if he was alone as Desmond was, he wouldn’t be able to enter the code if the schedule coincided with a supply drop.

Maybe it’s like this. The prior denizen/mapmaker hears the PA message that, we understand in retrospect, announces the supply drop and the lockdown, which alerts the occupant to get on the side of the door with the computer. Said occupant can check the timer; if there’s more than, say, fifteen minutes, or however long it was, before the code has to be entered, he can stay on the blacklight side, and work on the map. Otherwise he has to be on the computer side for that cycle.

Seems like kind of a reach, but it would work.

Ex-cellent. :slight_smile:

Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply it was a trick or a deception. Nevertheless, it was still a manipulation: I’m your father, I know my presence messes with your head, I’m going to dangle this temptation in front of you with an associated promise to leave your life forever, and I fully expect you to take the bait because I am strong and you are weak. I really wanted Locke to throw that back in his face, and then lose Helen anyway. Wouldn’t that have added to his bitterness. Anyway, rather than “fell for it,” I probably should have said “gave in.”

Oh, wait, never mind. The door didn’t go all the way to the floor, evidence by the fact that Locke still has legs. :rolleyes: :smack:

I can’t help but think that since Hurley was tied in with the numbers and the lottery, then the food must be for his private stash…

Am I the only one thinking that there will probably be a fresh supply of antidote/innoculation/vacine whatever you want to call it in the drop supply?

I wonder if they find it if they will be smart enough to tell Jack?

It also looks like it’s Thunderdome time next week when the rest of the Losties find the drop supply.

MtM