He didn’t die in the balloon crash, because he survived long enough to write the note on the $20 bill. I suppose it’s possible that the Others didn’t kill him, but they certainly knew plenty about him, and didn’t know about the driver’s license or $20 bill-note in his pocket. Although maybe most of the info they had on him was from Mikhail’s research skills.
I disagree.
The TCM could very well have broken his neck.
As for Ana-Lucia, blaming Others for his death would be like blaming Sawyer for Pickett’s death.
-Joe
Oh, so first you said it was a balloon crash, now you want us to believe it was the smoke monster?
Why are you so quick to exonerate the Others, Merijeek? Is there something we should know about you? Hmm? Hanh?
Fiver:
Really? I don’t recall anything indicating this. I thought killing her and Libby was just collateral damage.
And, regarding Michael: he was acting as an Other. He was acting in their interest. It doesn’t matter that none of the original Others didn’t order him specifically to kill them, he was an Other when he killed them. So they were by definition killed by the Others.
The real Henry Gale also was not a “Lostie”. i.e. he was not a Flight 815 survivor, so in the tally, he cannot count as “one of us”.
I agree. Although I think there’s some shared culpability here, but the larger blame is on Michael’s head. The Others said, “We want you to free Ben”. Michael chose how to accomplish this himself. Granted, with somebody standing guard at Ben’s door, there’s not much way for Michael to achieve the “free Ben” objective AND “bring these 4 people to us without their suspecting you” objective without resorting to desperate measures.
I’m trying to find it by Googling and haven’t yet, but I could swear the Others decreed Ana-Lucia had to die in retaliation for killing Goodwin. Maybe I’m mistaken.
But as you say, Michael’s culpable either way.
Here’s a transcript of the episode Three Minutes. This is the one where, in the Michael flashback, Mrs. Klugh gives him his assignment.
Unless it’s somewhere else later, there’s no “kill Ana Lucia” decree that I can find in here. Just this…
and this:
“Thank you” in Spanish (gracias) doesn’t sound remotely like “Thank you” in Portuguese (obrigado) in my opinion.
But she was supposed to be speaking Italian then and “grazie” does sound like “gracias”.
It was a rope.
Well, the Others really started it years ago when they kidnapped Alex.
So when blackmailing, Korean prostitutes extort money from sheltered Korean princesses, do they normally ask for 100,000 USD or 100,000,000 SKWan?
If Hurley had heard her say “Grazie,” then he might have said 'That sounds a little like ‘Thank you.’"
But if her heard her say something he couldn’t understand, he would have no basis upon which to disagree with what anyone else said she said. Its not like Hurley knows “Grazie (and only ‘Grazie’) means hello in Italian.” Rather, he knows “‘Grazie’ sounds like ‘Gracias.’”
-FrL-
I thought that what Desmond actually said was, You’ve killed more of them than they have killed of you, referring specifically to Charlie. Others killed by Charlie: 1 (Ethan). Charlies killed by Others: 0.
One more possibility:
The only one who hears this statement is Hurley. The same Hurley whom “Dave” nearly convinces that the Island is all a delusion. Hurley may be becoming delusional again and imagining that the show is occurring only in his head.
Yeah, I was thinking that this comment by Parachute Girl might make Hurley start down that avenue – doubting his own sanity again.
I’m not really thinking it’s Purgatory or anything. I figure it’s Mittelos or somebody on the outside paying off somebody to report false findings (about the flight).
I’m in total agreement!
Where’s the love for Mr. Kwon in this thread? I just love this character, especially since he’s in such contrast to pretty much everyone else in the story. They’ve all got secrets, they’ve all got agendas. Mr. Kwon is a “simple pleasant” fisherman, but he raised a child who might not even have been his (Would Jin have done the same if Sun’s baby had been Jae’s?). He loves his son and his daughter-in-law, even though they ignore him. He’s a genuinely good person. That’s so rare in the Lostiverse!
(Plus, he taught Jin how to fish, without which skill the Losties would’ve died of malnutrition before they found the DharmaPantry)
We don’t know that, really. He could have been splitting the payola with the hooker, couldn’t he? What do we know about him for sure?
You mean… it could be… a con?
I see season 4 flashback potential.
And we still don’t know who Jin’s daddy is.
Ooooh, maybe Jack and Jin are brothers! 