He didn’t die in the balloon crash, because he survived long enough to write the note on the $20 bill. I suppose it’s possible that the Others didn’t kill him, but they certainly knew plenty about him, and didn’t know about the driver’s license or $20 bill-note in his pocket. Although maybe most of the info they had on him was from Mikhail’s research skills.
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Yes. Sayid found a twenty-dollar-bill on Gale’s corpse on which Gale had written a letter to his wife telling her about the balloon crash.
And said corpse’s apparent cause of death was a broken neck.
No, he was ordered to kill Ana-Lucia by the Others. There’s some wiggle room in the case of Libby, but Michael was definitely made to understand that Ana-Lucia had to die if he wanted to get Walt back.
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I disagree.
The TCM could very well have broken his neck.
As for Ana-Lucia, blaming Others for his death would be like blaming Sawyer for Pickett’s death.
-Joe
[QUOTE=Merijeek]
I disagree.
The TCM could very well have broken his neck.
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Oh, so first you said it was a balloon crash, now you want us to believe it was the smoke monster?
Why are you so quick to exonerate the Others, Merijeek? Is there something we should know about you? Hmm? Hanh?
Fiver:
Really? I don’t recall anything indicating this. I thought killing her and Libby was just collateral damage.
And, regarding Michael: he was acting as an Other. He was acting in their interest. It doesn’t matter that none of the original Others didn’t order him specifically to kill them, he was an Other when he killed them. So they were by definition killed by the Others.
[QUOTE=Merijeek]
Two things.
First, any reason to believe that Henry Gale was killed by The Others and not just killed in a balloon crash?
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The real Henry Gale also was not a “Lostie”. i.e. he was not a Flight 815 survivor, so in the tally, he cannot count as “one of us”.
I agree. Although I think there’s some shared culpability here, but the larger blame is on Michael’s head. The Others said, “We want you to free Ben”. Michael chose how to accomplish this himself. Granted, with somebody standing guard at Ben’s door, there’s not much way for Michael to achieve the “free Ben” objective AND “bring these 4 people to us without their suspecting you” objective without resorting to desperate measures.
[QUOTE=cmkeller]
Really? I don’t recall anything indicating this. I thought killing her and Libby was just collateral damage.
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I’m trying to find it by Googling and haven’t yet, but I could swear the Others decreed Ana-Lucia had to die in retaliation for killing Goodwin. Maybe I’m mistaken.
But as you say, Michael’s culpable either way.
[QUOTE=Fiver]
I’m trying to find it by Googling and haven’t yet, but I could swear the Others decreed Ana-Lucia had to die in retaliation for killing Goodwin. Maybe I’m mistaken.
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Here’s a transcript of the episode Three Minutes. This is the one where, in the Michael flashback, Mrs. Klugh gives him his assignment.
Unless it’s somewhere else later, there’s no “kill Ana Lucia” decree that I can find in here. Just this…
and this:
[QUOTE=The Chao Goes Mu]
I don’t recall but even so, the romance languages are similiar enough that Hurley should’ve known. I don’t know. It just bothered me because I knew she didn’t say “thank you.”
I meant to add that I used to be fluent in Spanish and since learning it I can understand Italian, French, & Portuguese just enough to catch the basic gist of what someone is saying.
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“Thank you” in Spanish (gracias) doesn’t sound remotely like “Thank you” in Portuguese (obrigado) in my opinion.
[QUOTE=BobT]
“Thank you” in Spanish (gracias) doesn’t sound remotely like “Thank you” in Portuguese (obrigado) in my opinion.
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But she was supposed to be speaking Italian then and “grazie” does sound like “gracias”.
[QUOTE=phungi]
Adding to the “explain something” request… why not go back, open up that cable and see what is running through it… clearly it has to be electricity or communication… oh, right, this is Lost, and everyone is happy to play communal camping.
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It was a rope.
Well, the Others really started it years ago when they kidnapped Alex.
So when blackmailing, Korean prostitutes extort money from sheltered Korean princesses, do they normally ask for 100,000 USD or 100,000,000 SKWan?
[QUOTE=Wile E]
But she was supposed to be speaking Italian then and “grazie” does sound like “gracias”.
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If Hurley had heard her say “Grazie,” then he might have said 'That sounds a little like ‘Thank you.’"
But if her heard her say something he couldn’t understand, he would have no basis upon which to disagree with what anyone else said she said. Its not like Hurley knows “Grazie (and only ‘Grazie’) means hello in Italian.” Rather, he knows “‘Grazie’ sounds like ‘Gracias.’”
-FrL-
[QUOTE=well he’s back]
Question: Someone (Desmond?) said something to the effect that more “others” had benn killed by “losties”, than “losties” had been killed by “others”.
Is this true?
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I thought that what Desmond actually said was, You’ve killed more of them than they have killed of you, referring specifically to Charlie. Others killed by Charlie: 1 (Ethan). Charlies killed by Others: 0.
[QUOTE=Monstre]
Whaaaaaaaaaat?!! They found Flight 815?! This had better not turn out to be the purgatory theory!
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One more possibility:
The only one who hears this statement is Hurley. The same Hurley whom “Dave” nearly convinces that the Island is all a delusion. Hurley may be becoming delusional again and imagining that the show is occurring only in his head.
[QUOTE=brianmelendez]
The only one who hears this statement is Hurley. The same Hurley whom “Dave” nearly convinces that the Island is all a delusion. Hurley may be becoming delusional again and imagining that the show is occurring only in his head.
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Yeah, I was thinking that this comment by Parachute Girl might make Hurley start down that avenue – doubting his own sanity again.
I’m not really thinking it’s Purgatory or anything. I figure it’s Mittelos or somebody on the outside paying off somebody to report false findings (about the flight).
[QUOTE=BayleDomon]
The real highlight for me, though, was Mr. Kwon. Best acting I’ve seen on this show bar none. The look of contented happiness with the world, the sheer joy when he met Sun, the pain when she told him Jin goes around saying he’s dead…I nearly wanted to weep in sympathy. It’s a real shame Jin feels he has to hide his background, because I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on Lost as deserving of acknowledgement and kindness as Mr. Kwon.
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I’m in total agreement!
Where’s the love for Mr. Kwon in this thread? I just love this character, especially since he’s in such contrast to pretty much everyone else in the story. They’ve all got secrets, they’ve all got agendas. Mr. Kwon is a “simple pleasant” fisherman, but he raised a child who might not even have been his (Would Jin have done the same if Sun’s baby had been Jae’s?). He loves his son and his daughter-in-law, even though they ignore him. He’s a genuinely good person. That’s so rare in the Lostiverse!
(Plus, he taught Jin how to fish, without which skill the Losties would’ve died of malnutrition before they found the DharmaPantry)
[QUOTE=PerditaX]
Mr. Kwon is a “simple pleasant” fisherman, but he raised a child who might not even have been his (Would Jin have done the same if Sun’s baby had been Jae’s?). He loves his son and his daughter-in-law, even though they ignore him. He’s a genuinely good person.
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We don’t know that, really. He could have been splitting the payola with the hooker, couldn’t he? What do we know about him for sure?
[QUOTE=Gfactor]
We don’t know that, really. He could have been splitting the payola with the hooker, couldn’t he? What do we know about him for sure?
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You mean… it could be… a con?
I see season 4 flashback potential.
[QUOTE=SenorBeef]
You mean… it could be… a con?
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And we still don’t know who Jin’s daddy is.
[QUOTE=Gfactor]
And we still don’t know who Jin’s daddy is.
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Ooooh, maybe Jack and Jin are brothers! 