I don’t think that necessarily implies superhuman strength. I’m guessing Kate could probably pick up Charlie by the neck and pin him against a tree…
And Ethan beat the crap out of Jack the first time, but Ethan also got the jump on him. The second time, Jack beat the crap out of Ethan all on his own (before Charlie shot him).
I don’t regard Ethan as having had superhuman strength. He was very good at sneaking around the woods and at fighting, though. (Remeber, he knocked Jin out with a sling before going after Charlie – so nobody else to resist him that time).
Actually, they established the exact date of the plane crash at the end of season 2. Remember when Desmond was looking at the printout ("System Failure System Failure) and asking Locke “What was the date your plane crashed?” They stated the exact date then.
Sure, it was only a few episodes ago (since it was season 2 finale), although they’ve never said it wasn’t the month that the actual show started (Sept 2004), and it looks like they just went ahead and verified it with the finale last season. (I’m sure they knew than fans had been discussing it).
A little more than a week and a half now, isn’t it? Didn’t Shannon bite the big one on day 48? And I think they said it’s day 69 now. So 3 weeks since Shannon assumed room temperature. I’m sure Sayid is still pissed, though.
Yes. There is something about The Island that “attracts” vessels. CFL’s vessel was attracted, Oceanic flight 815 was attracted, the real Henry Gale’s baloon was attracted, Desmond’s sailboat was attracted, Michael’s raft was attracted back, the Black Rock was attracrted. It’s like The Island is at some vortex of space or time or space/time that pulls vessels in.
Thinking more about it, the memory is vague, and he might’ve held Charlie up off the ground with one arm without pinning him against anything.
It’s been a while since S1, and I haven’t watched on DVD or anything, but I remember getting the impression that Ethan certainly had, if not super-human strength, top-percentile strength.
Just went back and looked. It was definitely up against a tree. Charlie tried to grab a stick and swing at him. Ethan grabbed Charlie’s right arm with his left, held up high. Grabs Charlie’s throat with right hand. Backs him up against a tree and lifted, then we see the camera cut to the shot of Charlie’s feet a couple inches off the ground. Ethan had him with both hands at that point, although the right had to be doing most of the lifting (at the throat) – as the left was still only grabbing Charlie’s arm, and was higher than his head.
But then, Charlie’s also not the biggest guy out there, so there is that…
You know, the most interesting part of this to me was that in this scene, it seemed that Benry and the Others knew (or expected) that there would in fact be some survivors of the plane crash.
I’d say the more common general operating assumption is that when a big commercial airliner crashes while in mid-flight, going 600 miles per hour or whatever, all onboard life forms are pretty much annihilated at the moment of impact. That Ben told his Otherlings to infiltrate the survivors, rather than to pick through the wreckage looking for loose change, is what I find interesting.
I thought so, too. When I watched last week’s episode, I remember thinking, “They don’t look shocked or horrified that the plane is crashing above them – more like, they’ve been waiting for it, like a bus or something.”
I’m pretty sure I could lift Charlie against a tree one-handed. Which reminds me, I loved that on the commentaries for Season One, Dominic Monaghan refers to “Lost” as “The Dominic Monaghan Show”.
Yep. And one other thing-- the first thing they all did when they ran out of the houses was to look up. Now, living in CA I’ve been thru my share of earthquakes, and I’ve run outside a few times, but I can tell you that I never looked up at the sky-- that’s just not something you do in an earthquake. The plane didn’t start to break up until after they saw it, so it’s unlikely that it would’ve been heard over the noise of the shaking houses. If you’ve ever been in a big earthquake, that’s one of the weird things-- the noise you hear as everything is shaking is almost as scary as the shaking itself.
As I said, in an earthquake you’d never hear a jet in the sky over the rumble of the quake itself. It was like the expected something to be in the sky.
See, I just don’t give the writers that much credit anymore. How much noise an earthquake makes or how much it sounds like a jet engine prolly never crossed their minds. They just needed an excuse for the camera to pan up so we could see the plane esplode.
yeah, that’s entirely possible. I just thought that it played into their assumption that there would be survivors of the crash. Perhaps that was not their first BBQ…? Earth rumbles = incoming = let’s go infiltrate.
We know that at least one other plan crashed on the island. Perhapse they went through the same thing when Eko’s smuggling plane crashed. That would imply that there was a disruption in the button pushing at some point before Desmond was in the hatch.
Still, who expects to find survivors from a plane crash? Neither one was a “dang we slid off the runway and a few people might have gotten killed” kind of crash.
They didn’t find any survivors from the Nigerian crash, unless my memory is off. And that one sure as hell didn’t seem all that bad compared to Oceanic 815.
So, how long should I give this mystery before chalking it up to crappy writing?
I had the impression that there had been multiple crashes. Benry said something like, “*this one * might have survivors.”
And besides plane crashes, we’ve got the real Henry Gale’s balloon crash, the Black Rock, and Desmond’s boat. The island gets more than its share of aviation and maritime crashes. I mean, that’s in the season preview that Benry narrated.
We still need to know how Kelvin got there, and whether he invented Radzinski.
