I’m thinking that Juliet is serious about not liking Ben and wanting him out of the picture. It would make NO sense for Ben to have her do that. What if Jack went along with it? Ben would have just killed himself! Now, I’m not saying that suddenly if Ben is out of the picture all The Others will live in peace and harmony with the Losties, but maybe Juliet will at least finagle for Jack to be set free, since he wouldn’t be needed anymore.
Oh, and edwino, I’m not a doctor by any means, but couldn’t it just be a benign tumor that happned to grow in a really bad spot?
Just as a side note, USA Today reported that the actor who plays Eko asked to be let out of his contract. Apparently his parents died last year and he wants to return home to London.
Guess a hit series based in Hawaii isn’t always the bomb.
Maybe the Others have a buildup of good luck from the old “numbers” broadcasts.
So Benry just got lucky that when he needed a spinal surgeon, Desmond happened to crash the plane, but it happened in such a manner as to leave Jack alive.
That makes a lot of sense, since Eko was such a crowd pleaser. And that’s the problem with a continuing series like Lost– you can’t count on having all the cast members every year. Add to that the ever increasing complexity of the plot lines with new characters added all the time and you have to expect some decisions to be made that simply aren’t plot-driven.
Wow long ‘previously’. They are wrapping up Eko’s story. Eko must be a goner.
Scary nun. “Confess!”
Poor Sayid. I would be scared to wak up Eko. Let sleeping Ekos lie!
“Before or after we saved him from the polar bear cave?”
Hmm a “previously in Eko’s flashbacks” flashback.
Yemi has a cigarette lighter? “It is time to confess. to be judged”. Yemi set Eko’s hut on fire? “You guys smell smoke?” Yemi is the smoke monster?
So we know that the total running time for Lost is normal but for some reason people are complaining about the number of commercials. Are there fewer but longer commercial breaks? Are there shorter but greater number of commercials? Is Lost going to 65 minutes to fit more commercials in?
ÜberJack! At least now he has an excuse for always seeming out of breath.
“Why do you say that like you’re not going to just put a bag over my head and drag me out of here if I say no?”
So can Jack tell that Ben has the tumor, is he guessing that only Ben would be the one to authorize capturing Jack if he had a tumor, or is Jack saying the same thing to every Other until one gives them selves away?
Jack: “I’m ready whenever you are”. Posturing?
Wow the Others in white look like a funeral cult. Juliette: “I hate funerals”. Foreshadow to flashback?
Jack: “Gave me a new shirt too!”
Is the funeral song the same song Hurley got on the radio?
Hmm Ben and Julie are in conflict. I guess they are not plotting together against Jack.
OK previously, Jack tried really hard to escape but stopped because he thought he was underwater. The one time they let him out, he had a bag over his head and they sounded the klaxons so that he wouldn’t know about kate and Sawyer. But now they let him out. They let him see the way out. And they don’t seem to be keeping a particularly close eye on him. Why isn’t he trying to escape? Is it Ben’s offer to get him off the island? Or is he trying to find out more about the Others? Or does he just not think he can really get far if he tries to escape?
Doh! They are using ‘hatch’ and ‘station’ interchangeably again. A hatch is a door.
Hurley: “Not that we like know what a trail looks like”
Charlie: “Brother brother”. Desmond starts the ‘brother’ thing and now everyone is saying it. Brotherhood theme?
Locke: “We’re all going to the same place”. Double meaning?
Vincent is in Africa? lol
– Hmm Eko keeps finding things in Bibles.
“Are you taking his place?”… “I will take his place there too”. How does Eko explain his replacement of Yemi with the church higher ups? Or does he pretend to actually be Yemi? Or is Yemi’s priest papers he made for Eko enough? Now we know why he was in London. Did we find out why he went to Austraila?
“Confess!!”. smoke monster alter boy sounded like he said “Goldfish!”. Had to rewind three times to get it.
Locke tells everyone what is going on, and invites everybody! A guess this is a response to audience complaints.
Locke: “It’s a free island”. Part of the ‘free will’ theme?
Locke: “I’m not Jack”. More leadership conflicts?
Nikki:" You’re always complaining about not being included"
Locke: “Two birds. One stone”. black stone/white stone reference?
Locke: “Don’t mistake coincidence for fate”. hmmm…
“Father Yemi wouldn’t–” “I’m not father Yemi”… “Jack wouldn’t --” “I’m not Jack”… hmm…
Is ganglord and Eko’s conversation parralelling Eko’s conflict with The Island/Smoke Monster Yemi?
“Everybody’s happy! Everybody benefits?”… “honor our arrangements”… “I’m not afraid of you”… “You don’t want more lives on your conscience”…
Are the red cross vaccinations paralleling the Island vaccine somehow?
I knew it! he is the smoke monster! I guess that explains Jack’s Dad / Dave / etc.
Does smoke monster want privacy or is someone in the group chasing it away somehow?
“Try rendering animal fat”
Did Julie really do all that to make the burger or do they really have that kind of access to processed food?
“No ketchup?”
“We had such a wonderful plan to break you Jack”. Was this really Benry’s plan? I would think that Ben and Julie were working together in a big ruse and this was part of it if not for Benry’s extreme reactions to Jack asking about his tumor and Ben and Julie arguing when Jack isn’t looking.
“Choosing to do whatever we asked you to do”. More on the free will theme.
“Juliette bears a striking resemblance”. So this was a purposeful casting choice, or an explanation to fans complaining about all the look-alike blond actresses this season?
“I want you to want to save me”. Benry is Jennifer Anniston?
“A spinal surgeon fell out of the sky”. OK but if they can get off the island why didn’t he just have surgery off the island?
“You are a good man too”. More “good ones” theme.
Why is Eko selling the vaccine to someone else if he’s going to still pretend to be a priest?
“I saw a very bright light”… “That is not what I saw”. So did Locke see a bright light instead of flashbacks in the smoke, or did he see light instead of the smoke entirely? Why did the smoke attack him the second time?
“My brother is gone”. Is the smoke appearing as his brother (and Jack’s Dad), or is it somehow animating the dead body? Why do dead bodies disappear after they are impersonated by the smoke?
“You do not know who I am”. What did he mean by that? Eko with gun and machete dripping blood reminds me of River at the end of Serenity. So he killed those men after his brother died. I guess he transition to the priesthood didn’t go so smoothly after all.
I guess Locke managed to save the Pearl tape from the Swan implosion?
“The toilet works”. Well that explains that door.
“I feel stupid”. Why? They played with the Pearl TVs before and only one of them worked (Swan). I guess the controls are broken but Sayid is able to patch another feed into the Swan TV. I didn’t like Nikki before but she’s kind of cool this episode. Paulo is still red shirty. But it’s good that they are easing him in. They should have more red shirts that they use more sporadically like Rose and Bernard.
Hmm eyepatch guy noticed the camera real quick. Did the little red light blink on? Was is his glass eye in the bible Eko found? That would make him the one that cut the film up, but the producers are denying that he is Radinsky. Can’t make out the logo, but he seems to be wearing a DHARMA jumpsuit. Is he at the flame station? Why doesn’t he like being watched. Is he watching them back? Why don’t they all go back to the Pearl notebook drop and start reading the notebooks?
“You’ll like this one. To Kill a Mocking bird” Any significance to that choice of fake movie?
Interesting contrast in what she is saying vs the movie.
Speech:
– “I felt like I should apologize. Say I’m sorry. I’m sorry for bringing yuo here. And for everything thats been done to you and your friends.”
– Is she really sorry?
– “You have to know. We were desperate. It’s all so we could save his life. Ben.”
– OK so they brought Jack there to save Ben. Why did they bring Kate and Sawyer? To keep Jack in line? Is she just talking about this kidnapping? Or is she trying to justify the other things they have done? We know they kidnapped Alex 16 years ago so it’s not like there isn’t a precedence for them acting badly before Ben was in trouble. And they went after Claire and Walt before Jack.
– “He’s a great man. I know you find that hard to believe but he is.”
– She wants Jack to believe this is a lie. But is it?
– “You probably feel like you don’t have a a choice, but you do Jack. Free will is all we’ve really got right?”
– More on the free will theme.
– “Anyway, just want to put in my two cents. I told you before you can trust me. I want you to trust me now when I tell you that doing the surgery is absolutely the right thing for you to do.”
– She wants him to believe that.
– “It’s the right thing because he deserves to live. Think about what I said please.”
– She wants him to think she wants him to do it for a different reason.
The cards:
– “Ignore everything I’m saying.”
– Well some of the things she is saying are sincere albeit with a different connotation.
– “Ben is a liar and he is very dangerous.”
– True but does he lie to the other Others? And does he put the other Others in danger?
– “Some of us want a change, but it has to look like an accident. It has to look like we tried to save him, and that’s up to you, Jack. It’s a complicated surgery. No one would ever know and I would protect you. Now tell me to turn off the movie.”
– Why can’t they just openly revolt? Is it because someone else is really in charge and would find out? Or because there are still some Others who like Ben? Or is there some Others ‘rule’ about how they have to behave?
“Are you a bad man?” more on the ‘good ones’ theme.
“Only God knows”. hah!
“One day you will be judged for what you did… You owe God for every life taken… You owe him one church”. More judgement theme… I guess that’s why he was building a church.
Why is Yemi all hard ass now? Before he was all about saving the hatch. Is he angry that the button didn’t get pushed?
“I ask for no forgiveness for I have not sinned”. Wow! Wasn’t expecting that at all. Is this a change of heart for Eko? He didn’t speak for 40 days after killing the Others, and confessed to Benry about it showing regret. Is he taking back that regret?
“You speak to me as if I were your brother”…“Who are you?”
Wow smoke monster beating! If Yemi is TSM why didn’t he morph directly instead of walking away and disappearing first? Or is TSM a separate but related phenomenon? Why was fake Yemi all about the confessing and what would he have done if Eko did ask for forgiveness?
“We’re next”. If Eko said “you’re next” why did Locke assume he meant them all (you plural) and not just Locke (you singular)? And did he mean the Pearl party, or all the Losties?
Next week!
[spoiler]- “Best episode”. We’ll see… but it’s the last before the break so there better be a great revelation or cliff hanger!
Sayid: "You’re not safe to go alone John"Where is Locke going?
Alex struggling against the other Others! How many of the Others are first generation Others and how many are kidnapped people working for them or brought up by them?
Pickett vs Sawyer! Or is he threatening Kate instead? Kate and Sawyer sex!
Jack considering the surgery? Is he saying he can’t trust them to Ben or to Julie? Is this real or posturing?[/spoiler]
So, lot’s of nods to the fans, and/or umbrella-ing (the characters make comments about plot problems so we realize they are intentional). Lots on themes of trust, free will, judgments, forgiveness, confession, and ‘good ones’. They are getting worse at surprising us with the deaths (Eko themed episode, AAA on the talk circuit the next day!, etc.) Still some lingering questions about Eko but I guess they wrapped up his story for the most part. I guess now that Locke is ‘back’ we don’t need Eko any more. I’m disappointed that the last three deaths were all Tailies and that except for Bernard they are all now dead or captured. I’m also disappointed that Locke went through all the trouble to save Eko only to have him die the next episode. I’m wondering what the exact relationship is between the apparitions (Yemi, Jack’s Dad, Dave, etc), the missing dead bodies, the smoke monster, the smoke monster memory flashes, the bright light Locke saw, the ‘spirit of the Island’, the regular hallucinations (from fatigue, dreams, illness), and the induced hallucinations (psycho-tropic paste, sweat lodge).
In addition to serving Jack a drink on the airplane, you’d think that at some point Ana Lucia and Hurley would have gotten together and went over the flight manifest together.
It hasn’t been shown in the show, but in the other Lostiverse materials, it was revealed that Cindy was Gary Troup’s girlfriend, the guy that was writing novels about Hanso and the numbers, and who was the guy wh got sucked into the turbine during the first episode.
Poor guy. Well, I can’t fault his priorities. I will certainly miss Eko, though.
Early in the ep, I got the feeling that Eko was going to die. I thought it was to reinforce the whole “anyone can die at any time” idea that they were going for with the first original script, in which Jack died.
I’d still rather have Eko than Jack, but Jack seems a bit better this season. He’s taking control instead of just acting whiny/bossy/holier-than-thou.
Boy, you don’t know a thing about medicine. Just when the surgery looks like it’s going normally, that beeping will turn into a steady tone. All you have to do is grab those paddles, yell “clear!” and zap the patient a few times. Oh, and make sure you yell, “Don’t you die on me!” before beginning chest compressions. Then the beeping will start up again.
My guess is that the one-eyed man is going to turn out to be another non-Other castaway like Desmond or Rousseau. I say this because that’s the plotline that would explain the least of what’s going on and create the most new confusion.
And I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that his character will be given to uttering cryptic yet ominous sounding half-answers that nobody else will ask him to explain.
I don’t know how Sawyer feels about the guy he mistakenly killed – probably feels more used by Hibbs than sorry he killed the guy. But Kate definitely is full of regret and sorrow over causing her childhood boyfriend (Tom) to get killed. No – I’m sure she doesn’t feel regrets over blowing up drunky. But she’s torn up over getting Tom involved in her troubles (and killed because of it) – I think that’s pretty clear from the end of “What the Case May Be” (back in season 1). The one where Jack is grilling her to tell the truth, and she’s saying that the little toy airplane, “Belonged to the man I loved…” and then crying, “It belonged to the man I killed!”
Well, there was Boone a couple weeks ago, in Locke’s vision quest. But I’m not sure if you want to count that one, given that it was self-induced hallucination by Locke and his Magic Fun Paste.
Then there was Dave (in Hurley’s episode last season), but then he’s not so much dead as… an imaginary friend.
I got the impression that the suburb was deep in the heart of Crash Island, and Other-Traz is just the home of Fish Biscuit Summer Camp and the Hydra station (Dharma).
Ahhhh, yes! That’s why that “pulling chain” sound seems so familiar.
I was thinking a similar thing – that perhaps TCM going all Whomping Willow on Eko’s ass was partly a reaction to Eyepatch Guy knowing he was being monitored from that area. I’m wondering if he might be controlling the thing (to some extent). If the TCM is indeed “Cerberus” from the invisible map, then the fact that it referred to a “Cerberus malfunction” could imply that the TCM has gone rogue and has its own smoky agenda.
Very good point. Innnnnteresting.
Also interesting that dream-Hemi tried to light up Eko’s hut.
I think it’s somehow mechanical, too – but I’ve been wondering if maybe the smoke is just there as camoflage to hide its real nature.
Ahhhh, guess that explains why they offed him. Wonder if that was before or after they wrote episode 3 this season? After all, seems like that was a fool’s mission now (Locke saving Mr. Eko’s life). Should have just let the polar bear keep him, if he wasn’t going to last more than another day or two anyways. Bummer, I liked Eko.
Who fart noxious black smoke and ride roller coasters.
I think that was just a ruse, to draw the attention of the warlords, get them to confront him.
Eko was already a powerful criminal leader himself. Remember his first flashback episode and the way he ended up in the priest uniform – trying to use it as a cover to smuggle heroin out of the country. Heroin that he acquired when he killed the guy who was trying to sell it in his country. Warlords thought he was actually just a priest.
Episode 2x09, “What Kate Did”. From the flashback where she visits her “dad” (or who she’s thought all her life was her dad) in the army recruiting office.
Sgt. Austen: Is it true what they’re saying? Katie, what’d you come here for? Kate: Why didn’t you tell me, dad? Sgt. Austen: Tell you what? Kate: I was making a scrapbook, a surprise for your birthday… so I called one of your C.O.s to get some pictures of you in uniform. The pictures that he sent me had dates on the back. Photos of you in Korea, up until four months before I was born. Why didn’t you tell me that Wayne was my father? Why?! Sgt. Austen: I didn’t tell you because I knew you’d kill him. And your mother… loved him. When you were five years old I wanted to take you along with me, but she wouldn’t let me. Kate: So why didn’t you kill him? Sgt. Austen: Because I don’t have murder in my heart.
Jack only came into that room because of a medical emergency - it wasn’t planned.
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It’s funny cause it’s true.
Something I’ve seen no discussion about: Yemi’s image said “You speak to me as if I am your brother” - what was that meant to indicate? That it was the island that was demanding a confession?
Mechanical in what sense? It reads people’s thoughts, flits back and forth like a will-o-the-whisp in small form, takes human shape, speaks, forms a huge black cloud and can throw around full grown men. How does something mechanical change shape so drastically? How does it manifest itself as a human and speak? Unless we’re talking mechanical as in “ancient alien technology” mechanical, I don’t see how the word can apply at all to the TCM.
That seems to be what we’ve been shown so far. But when Colleen was shot, they brought her back to Other-Traz, and when they took Jack to try to save her they led him right past the cages Kate and Sawyer are in. Evidently, then, they did not take Colleen to the Caduceus station, indicating that there is also a medical facility complete with an OR on Other-Traz.
I think the best theory about the Monster so far is that it’s a cloud of iron dust being controlled by magnets which run through tunnels under the ground. These magnets can control the individual particles so precisely that the cloud can be induced to change shape, something like the bad guy in Terminator 2. This doesn’t explain the mind-reading, but it explains everything else, at least within the generally accepted bounds of Hollywood science fiction and pseudoscience.
