Lost 4.01: "The Begining of the End"

Yeah, wasn’t that nice? Distracted me enough to miss most of the video of Hurley running away from Charlie. Next two times I was forearmed and made sure to pay attention to the muted words underneath.

I didn’t notice anything with the sound, but I agree that Jack visited Hurley a long time prior to the events in the season 3 ending episode. After all, Jack rejected Hurley’s suggestion to go back to the island.

And yeah, the OMG reviewer must have seen the episode where something happened, not this one.

The smoke monster??

OK, so I actually AM pretty new to the show. I’ve seen all three seasons, but only relatively recently. No one can ever ask a rational question. Gotcha. Now when do we get to see some more short-haired Charlie?

“Lost” does “Pop-Up Video”. Who would have guessed that one…?

To make the audience think it was a flashback, so that the reveal at the end that it’s a flash forward is more of a surprise. If I recall, it was drunk Jack referring to daddy in the present tense. And the other characters just looked at him with pity over it.

Well, she was “abused wife” who got killed, in season 2 of “24” – don’t know if you watch that, but that’s where I recognized her. (She was the mom that Kim was working for as a nanny at the start of the season).

Yeah, the episode seemed to quietly pick up where last season left off. Nothing edge of the couch.

Hijack:

Anyone watch Eli Stone afterwards? I like the actor who plays Eli, but do we need another do-gooder lawyer show?

Yeah, now I’m wondering if this means that only 6 survived? Or only 6 were rescued and made it off the island?

I’m hoping not the former – or this means lots of characters we like are gonna die. I’m guessing that John Locke may live, but he will certainly stay on the island. I think that despite staying with Jack’s group at the end, Bernard and Rose may end up staying on the island, too – keeping her cancer in remission.

If it does mean that only 6 end up surviving in the future flashback world – does this mean we’ll only have flash forwards on 6 characters?

No, I remember seeing that picture (and asking “was that a dog? was it Vincent?”) back in the first “Jacob” episode last season. In the initial look around the cabin.

Having watched Babylon 5 between seasons of Lost I now realize Rousseau is also Delenn. It feels odd, recognizing her now, but not when I watched Babylon 5. I guess it had been too long since I’d seen her in Lost.
I’m also with the “meh” crowd. There were some almost interesting moments, but nothing happened. Maybe next week will be better.

First of all, Hurley was the absolute last person I expected to be driving that car. I realized it wasn’t going to be Jack when I saw the guy pouring booze into his orange juice while eating breakfast. My next thought was that Sawyer had gotten himself into trouble. When Hurley got out of the car, I actually shouted out “Holy shit!” in surprise.

My guess is he’s talking about Kate and Sawyer, who are on the run together. Maybe they’re supposed to be dead (in which case, there might actually be 8 people who got off the island) or more likely they claimed the identities of two survivors who died (Shannon and Boone, perhaps?)

Interesting. I hadn’t figured out that part. I thought that maybe Tom had decided to ignore Ben’s orders, but was now regretting it. Your theory makes more sense, however. BTW, why is Tom known as “Mr. Friendly”? Was he actually called that at some point, or is it just that he was usually a pretty decent guy?

He didn’t die from the speargun wound, but I’m pretty sure he’s dead now. He was right on top of that grenade explosion. Maybe a foot away, a most. Underwater, the shockwave from the explosion would collapse his lungs and shatter every bone in his body.

Remember what that girl said about how the jammer would keep running even if the station was flooded? Mikhail was trying to flood the station. He probably didn’t hear the girl tell Charlie about “Good Vibrations,” so he thought he still had time to thwart the Survivors’ mission.

As for Charlie, I think he had just resigned himself to death, and really wasn’t planning on surviving the mission anyway. Maybe he had a kind of martyr complex going at that point. He definitely believed that Desmond’s visions were true, and if Charlie had to drown before Claire could be rescued, then that was a price that Charlie was willing to pay.

As for Hurley seeing Charlie in the flash-forward, I think it’s pretty clear that Hurley was just halucinating :frowning:
Hurley did react when “Dave” threw the coconut at him, so his reacting to Charlie’s slap doesn’t prove that Charlie is alive. Maybe I just blinked at the wrong moment, but when Charlie slapped Hurley, I didn’t see any hand on the screen. Could that be a clue that Charlie wasn’t really there?

I think that Michael was in the coffin. Walt is back on the island, with no sign of his dad. My theory is that Ben doublecrossed them, and sent the submarine to sink the boat and take Walt again. Michael was left out at sea (again) but this time he was rescued and taken back to America. He wants to go back and rescue his son. He is the guy who convinces Jack that they need to return, and he’s probably done a lot of the work necessary to make the trip. His death means one of two things: either the plans fell thru (they can’t find the island again? They can’t afford to charter a boat?) and Michael committed suicide out of despair, or Michael was murdered by someone who doesn’t want the castaways to return.

There’s obviously going to be more mixing of the groups. Remember, Hurley went off with Locke, while Kate stayed with Jack, yet both have been seen in flash-forwards.

No, during the HORSE game between Jack and Hurley, Hurley implies they have to go back for the others.
Overall, I’m back to where I was before - pissed off that I have to wait for next week to find out what happens. :mad: Looks good on my 50" HDTV though.

On an unrealated note, I took the opportunity to freeze frame through the Cloverfield trailer. That monster looks scary as fuck!!

"Merely a flesh wound! I’ve had worse… "

I agree, at least that the slap doesn’t mean it wasn’t a Dave-style hallucination. The one bit of weirdness about this, though, was that his attention was drawn to Charlie by another “inmate” – who said, “that guy over there is watching you” or something to that effect. So did the other mental inmate also see Charlie? (or was he referring to somebody else…)

I don’t have much doubt that his inmate buddy was a figment of his imagination. IIRC, when Hurley went to the mental institution–seemingly the same one–to see Lenny (?) in season one, Lenny was playing “Connect 4” by himself, mumbling the numbers. I think Hurley might have looked a lot like Lenny did then: playing Connect 4 and talking to himself.

In the scene with Jacob’s cabin, did anyone freeze frame or get a good look at who flashed in front of the door to scare Hurley? My first instinct was that it was Locke and that he’d been back there communing with Jacob now that Ben is out of the way. Will be interesting to find out if there’s some significance to the fact that not only can Ben and Locke see and hear Jacob, so can Hurley.

I’m liking the fact that half the Losties are heading back to the barracks. With the way the plot and the flashbacks had been going I was starting to think that they were going to totally go away from all the Dharma/Hatch mysteries and everything and focus on the rescue/Others/flash forward stuff and forget about all those loose threads.

I just went back through the cabin scene.

I can’t tell who the face in the window was but the guy in the chair was Christian Shepherd (!) dressed in the black suit and necktie he wore before in Jack’s visions (his funeral clothes, I guess).

In other news, that can’t be Vincent in the painting on the wall (as suggested upthread) unless he’s had a breed-change operation. It’s clearly a hound of some type (either Basset or Bloodhound, I think).

Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun, and Jin

Actually that would be:

Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, and Jin

Looks like we got another slow-starter for this season. Hopefully it won’t be as annoying as it was for season 3. While I’m not disappointed in this episode, it didn’t feel like a season premier. These flashforwards oughta be interesting, though. But if this entire season turns out to play catch-up to the point where Jack screams at the end of season 3, “We have to go back!”, then that might get a little annoying as well. Not to mention, that it looks like we’re only going to get half a season because of the strike. :mad:

So, the burning question: Who are these rescuers, and what do they want. Are they Dharma?

And the most curious thing about this episode was Charlie’s apparition. Seems like they were trying to say he wasn’t any of Hurley’s ordinary hallucinations.

I’m surprised that noone has commented on how good the crazy, French woman (Can we still call her that?) looked. I always though she was one of the best -looking women on the show.

Parachute guy at the end = translator guy from Saving Private Ryan. Jeremy Davies.

Hurley is so concerned about warning the rest of them that he throws the radio into the ocean. Yes, the other people might’ve been monitoring communications, but quickly getting the message “be careful, something is up” to the rest of them is worth risking them knowing you’re suspicious. Besides, radios are a precious commodity there, what a waste.

Jack, master surgeon, hasn’t mastered the skill of figuring out if someone is dead. Apparently not only dead, but in good enough shape to sneak away, make a false trail, and climb a tree.

The Losties had to go back to the beach for rescue, because obviously a wide open, elevated area with a LARGE RED AND WHITE TOWER on an island devoid of artificial landmarks is an unsuitable place to be found from the air.

The scene in which the Losties divide up into seperate groups could’ve, you know, made sense. The audience has little idea why anyone other than a few specific characters would choose either side. The rest of the group basically faces “hey guys, here’s a mysterious cryptic statement. NO DISCUSSION! Just pick which side you want to be on despite having little idea wtf is going on.”

As an audience, we can’t understand their behavior because we don’t understand what they’re thinking. They [the writers] could’ve at least shown a bit of discussion that gave people a plausible reason for choosing which side they went with.

I can’t remember, did Naomi claim to be from Penny’s rescue team? The fact that they’re not specifically part of her team doesn’t make them inherently suspicious - unless they lied about it.

Oh, I liked that Jack was willing to shoot John. Every time someone says “you won’t shoot me…” I’m rooting for them to be shot in the face. The proper response to having a gun in your face is not “GONNA SHOOT ME, PUSSY? I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU. YOU DON’T HAVE THE GUTS! NEENER NEENER!”

This was making me crazy. And more, the lack of Plan C, which would be to get organized and lay low and observe the rescuers before making a firm decision.

But I agree that Jack shooting Locke was great – too bad it was blanks. Okay, okay, I know that for the story to work, you need Locke’s character to keep doing that voodoo that he do etc etc , but I personally find him so annoying that it was a thrill to think, even for a moment, that he might be out of the picture, even though it doesn’t work narratively.

I was initially pumped to have Lost back, but on retrospect, yeah, it was a pretty crappy episode. Little action, and what there was didn’t make much sense (even less that this show normally does, logic-wise). The flash-forward added a few nuggets of information: 6 get off, Hurley is one, someone is trying to find out what they know (Oceanic? Dharma? Random Corporate Entity?), Jack doesn’t go crazy immediately (but Hurley does).

The only “Oh. My. God” moment for me was the reappearance of Jacob’s cabin, and Christian Shephard’s presence therein (with Locke, I think). Everything else that happened on the island was pretty ho-hum. Other than Jack once again asserting his uselessness - that was :rolleyes: