That’s the thing that confuses me. As they said, whoever faked the crash site has an enormous amount of resources available. Does Ben have those resources off the Island? We know he has some, the front company that recruited Juliet for example and Miles expects to get 3.2 million out of him somehow.
But I have never had the idea that Ben had enough off Island resources to do something like fake the 815 crash.
Could there be a third party involved that hasn’t made a move directly yet? DHARMA itself, maybe? (Someone was making those food drops to the Swan station after all.)
I dunno. I think we’re still missing something here.
Yes. Each season they expand the universe of people involved, so I suspect there is at least one, maybe two more levels that we know little or nothing about right now. Don’t assume that we have all the players lined up. There could be involvement by “Jacob” or some folks we have not even met yet.
Hijack: are those still going to made now that the Swan has blown up? I haven’t seen one since “Dave”.
My theory: Ben staged the crash, to get everyone interested in Oceanic 815 to get off his tail.
Daddy Widmore finances the Hanso Foundation and thinks the Dharma project ended in the late 1980s when everybody got purged / packed up or left. Only he finds out about the continued existence of the island through Penny’s guys–that somebody’s there and it’s clearly not the Dharma people–and is sending along a freighter to bust the Others and get Ben Linus, enemy number one. Saving Desmond and the survivors is incidental–as long as they get Ben.
Even in an episode where Sawyer doesn’t appear, he claims the funniest moment. Sawyer teaching Jin English. I was expecting Jin to give Jack a funny nickname.
Omniscient, my wife and I came to the exact opposite conclusion regarding who will ultimately be the good guy and who will be the bad guy. We think Ben will ultimately be a sleaze ball who happens to be on the right side of good and evil (likely for the wrong reasons). I can see Ben explaining smugly to Jack, “I told you I was one of the good guys!” And thinking back to last week’s episode, doesn’t his behavior surrounding sending Goodwin off to the Tailies mirror King David sending a friend to the front line so he could marry the guy’s wife?
Michael’s alias was Kevin Johnson! See? See? They give the white people literary names. Michael the Janitor gets the name of an NBA Point guard. The whole system is racist!
The Freighter scenes are like something out of Stephen King. Soon that damn thing will be a ghost ship.
I figure there are at least a good handful of people who get off the island but are not accounted for in the Oceanic Six. Ben. Maybe Desmond. Surely Mikhail!
I am confused about the sixth. I thought the previews said we would know the identity of all six by last night, right? Aaron has to count, I guess.
The Lost casting director consistently nails his or her choices. Everyone cast on this show since the pilot has been amazing. The Captain is the latest triumph.
Why the hate on Michael? He loves his kid. I’d beat everyone of you to death with a broken whiskey bottle to get my kid the last Nintendo Wii for his Christmas present. Do you what I would do to you to keep him alive and safe? You don’t want to know, because…it’s complicated! I think Michael’s motivations are equally complicated. He wants to help, but he clearly doesn’t hate the Losties. I think he probably likes them very much. They just sit on the wrong side of his priorities.
I think the black box is obviously from the faked crash. All of the major pieces of the plane seemed to end up on the island, right? Nose in the jungle. Mid section on the beach. Tail on the other side.
I know it probably doesn’t mean much, but I’m a bit intrigued by the scene with Hurley and Sun. It seems pretty obvious that that’s the first time that Sun is taking the baby to Jin’s grave, I guess because she had a “difficult” birth (although, I’m not really sure what was difficult physically about it - she didn’t end up with the c-section and it seemed to go pretty seamlessly). Why was Hurley there to accompany her? Why did he seem to expect other people to be there, too (and why was he glad they weren’t)?
As an aside, my husband was incredulous: “They thought they were going to have to do a c-section and poof all of a sudden, everything is fine and the baby just pops out?” I had to remind him that that’s exactly what happened with our youngest, just two short years ago. How they forget.
IIRC, Hurley asked if any others were coming, and when Sun said “no”, he said “good”. That was odd. I expected those two to start making out as the surprise ending.
He did say “good”, right? That’s meaningful - clearly there’s at least one person Hurley hopes keeps away from Sun.
Buying the black rock ship’s log indicates that he knows something about the island - maybe he had a hunch that 815 crashed there, and he acquired the black box of the fake crash to confirm that it was indeed a fake.
I see now that I did hear the ship’s captain’s name right, and Lostpedia picked up on the possible Atlas Shrugged reference, too. Captain Galt.
I have to admit feeling a little foolish in not catching that Jin’s off-island experience was not the same time as Sun’s. The strange obsession with getting a panda when he would’ve known his wife was actually in labor just seemed ridiculous.
There’s a better reference. Atlas Shrugged may be a reach because the character’s name is apparently spelled “Gault”, not “Galt”. However, someone may have found a better match. This is from Doc Jensen’s column in EW Online…
After Juliet spills the beans about Sun’s affair, Sun is trying to talk to Jin, saying, “It was a long time ago.”
Excuse me, missy, but it couldn’t have been that long if you thought Bald Headed Dude (forgot his name, sorry) could have been the father of your baby and you’re only two months preggers.
That said, any theory on why pregnant women die? I think the altered time of the island messes up the baby…the baby’s on real time, the mother’s on Island time, or vice versa. Claire got pregnant before the plane crash, so she and the baby never got out of sync.
Ah, I missed the different spelling. The “captain for hire” connection is noted in Lostpedia, too. Not sure why they even noted the Atlas Shrugged reference given the “u” in the name. Have there been any obvious alternative spellings before? I can’t think of any…
Juliet said that sometime in the 2nd trimester the white cell count of the fetus plummets. That’s all we know about the physiology of the condition. I don’t see how that would be tied to different times, though.
Also, Claire was 8 months pregnant when she arrived on the Island. The kid could’ve been born at that point without much problem.
You sure she said that? I was actually watching for that line, fearing the writers would put it in her mouth, and was pleased it never came. Did I miss it?
Except why send the pack of loonies he did? They might need Daniel to get to and from the island safely, but apart from that it seems they’d send a squad of mercenaries to grab Ben - not a pilot, a navigator (Daniel), and two whackos.
Apart from that, why even stage a wreck? A plane disappears - these things happen. The plane went down in the middle of the ocean after a communications failure…I think whomever is responsible would have been perfectly safe just letting the world continue to think that.
Don’t forget that the plane was 1000 miles off course. They even said in the pilot episode that any rescuers would be looking for them in the wrong place.
The Island had stayed hidden for 16 years even with a distress call being broadcast constantly. (Yeah, I know, it was jammed.) Would anyone looking for 815 even have come anywhere near it?
It seemed to me that she was on some pretty heavy drugs to help with the labor pains and she said the doctors told her that she was crying out, which indicates that she must have been pretty out of it not to remember. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone in that situation called for a deceased loved one whom they wished was there. I’m not totally convinced either way, but at the grave Sun was really talking like he was dead and not just absent.
