Here’s a summary of Everything That Rises Must Converge. My brother noted that it went from #700 to #105 on Amazon’s top seller list overnight
Reading the summary all I can guess about how that book relates to Lost is 1) The spiffy title 2) It’s about the struggle between black and white. If I delve deeper I might say it’s about a young man (Ben) who struggles between being grateful for his whiteness (Dharma) but is pushed towards being sympathetic to the blacks (The Others) just to spite his family.
That was an excellent job of casting. She looked just like her, down to the freckles.
I had a suspicion that Locke’s body was in the box, I think someone here even mentioned that possibility before, but when Locke said that to Richard about dealing with the other passengers I was sure that wasn’t really Locke.
And yes, it was very disappointing to find he really is dead because we were finally getting to see Locke turn the tables on Ben and be badass again like he was in the first season.
I think it was meant to be ambivalent. He didn’t say it sarcastically, it was more like it was intended for Ben to think a little more about where he fits in to everything but instead he just went stabby. Well, as a plan it had maybe a 50/50 chance of working.
Another random thought, the guys on this show sure can take a beating.
I’ve not seen any of his work on Dexter, but he strongly resembled the lead actor from Rome (and who is currently on Grey’s Anatomy). I enjoyed the Jacob character! Is he God? He sure seems omnipotent. The only thing we really know is that he was not the captain of the Black Rock. I still think Richard was. I think Richard has five toes like everyone else. Did we see Jacob’s feet on the beach?
I agree with Smeghead. I don’t think they care if the timeline reverse and she got cancer. I think their point was that they enjoyed every single day that life gave them together. I hope we never seen them again until it is revealed that they are Adam and Eve.
My wife, who is not a scifi/fantasy fan, summarized the show pretty well. She said that now that there are gods, devils, etc on the show, we have no way of knowing anything that is going to happen as all the rules are out the window.
I assume that in this alternate reality, there is an analogous version of middleman there. Speaking on behalf of my multiverse counterpart, I wish that the decisions of the space-time continuum were based more on reason and logic rather than middle school relationship drama. Hey, let’s nuke the space-time continuum over a fickle bitch who steals New Kids on the Block lunchboxes!
And now Juliet is dead. I have a feeling that the big Sawyer-Kate reunion will not be as happy as the producers hope.
I’ll defend our crazy scientist a bit (though the completion bonus cracks me up!)Radzinsky was racing against the hostiles. He thought that if he didn’t do it THEN, that the chaos surrounding the O6 and the Hostiles would undo his plans. I was intrigued with his “I came here to save the world!” line. Dude is just really driven to the point of madness. I can respect that.
My question about Locke goes back to season one when he “looked into the eye of the island.” Was that when the transformation began? Will real Locke return? Because I don’t buy “dead is dead.” I think Jacob resurrected Locke when he fell.
I wonder does the “loophole” have anything to do with the “Rules” between Ben and Widmore. Either way, I am stoked for Season 6. I think we are kind of starting to see the endgame here.
I suspect the original context of the phrase “everything that rises…” is much more relevant to “Lost”:
“Everything That Rises Must Converge” refers to the ideas of a Jesuit theologian and scientist named Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955). In a book called The Phenomenon of Man (1955), which attempts to reconcile the science of evolution with a Christian vision, Teilhard theorizes that after the rise of homo sapiens evolution continues on a spiritual level toward a level of pure consciousness called Being. [!]
from http://http://www.answers.com/topic/everything-that-rises-must-converge-story-6
Which just further underscores how young Kate is compared to all of the other Losties. You don’t think about it a lot, but the Kate flashbacks always seem to bring home the fact that she’s still only in her 20s.
Well…except for the appearances of Mr Eko’s brother, Christian Shephard, Libby, Ana-Lucia, Ben’s daughter and a few others I can’t think of. And Mikhail seemed pretty hard to kill once and for all. And Michael couldn’t die until the island wanted him to.
Yeah, I was thinking about Season 1 when Locke “looked into the eye of the island” and was almost pulled underground by the smoke monster. I kind of wondered if that’s when Esau first got his hooks in him. (I think someone upthread mentioned that they thought Esau was NOT the smoke monster, but I’m not so sure.)
I think Esau didn’t find the loophole - he made the loophole! If we believe that Esau is Smoky is the shapeshifter who takes on the forms of dead people, then he was the one who got Ben, then Locke to push the donkey wheel in the first place and send the losties jumping through time. When they ended up in 1977, it enabled them to lead up to the actions that created this loop in time (the incident > the swan hatch and the necessity of pushing the button > Desmond’s miss > the plane crash > Seasons 1 through 4 > the jump back in time > events at Dharma Town > Faraday’s advice > the incident).
The loop was sealed when the Losties cause the Incident in the past, thus allowing Esau his chance to kill Jacob (or get someone else to do it) in the present. I’m still not entirely convinced that Jacob’s the “good guy”, or that the good guy/ bad guy labels even apply. I just know it sucks that poor Ben and Locke ended up being pawns in someone else’s game. They both just wanted to be loved. So sad.
Hurley also saw Charlie at another point, but no one else saw Charlie or Ana Lucia. I believe those were just hallucinations. But the dead people who reappeared on the island were seen by multiple people and were something other than a hallucination.
I’m thinking the Cabin is how Jacob/Esau “manifest” themselves into other people. Remember how Alana said someone else is “using it”? Some all the earlier appearances of “ghosts” was Jacob’s doing. And then at some point Esau took it over, presumably sometime after Ben/Locke went to visit him.
There was a scene that I did not follow; maybe someone can help. When Jacob talked to the woman in bandages. I thought he called her Anna, but I’m not clear. Anna Lucia? What did he say to her? Did he touch her? Did she know who he was?
