Though I must say, seems to be more drama in the afterlife then our current lives…
I bet Sawyer knows a guy who knows a guy who could scare up some ID’s for Richard.
I think Frank’s got the biggest problem once he lands…so you landed the plane on an island that isn’t on any maps, lost 98% of the original passengers along the way, took off again and returned to the rest of the world with 3 people who weren’t on the original flight (Miles, Claire, Richard).
“It’s complicated.”
I didn’t see it that way–every single season…including the happy-ever-after fantasyland of the Alt-Timeline, Sayid tries to change and ends up being incredibly brutal.
Nope–after he talked to the widow of that sailor guy who was friends with his buddy in the asylum, she convinced him that there was no curse. It wasn’t until after the plane crash that he decided “Oops, I guess I am cursed after all.”
Yeah, fair enough. Looking at it that way Kate improved (in the O6 period)
Y’got me on Charlie, but what about Michael–who went from whiney, ineffectual guy to multiple murderer all because of his time on the island? Or Walt, who lost his mother, stepfather and (because of the island) his dog and his real father as well?
The vast majority of the Flight 815 characters (not to mention the several hundred innocent bystanders) would have had better or similar lives had Jacob not meddled. Frogurt? Ardzt? Steve? Whatever their eventual fate would have been, it’s better than what they got.
I really am only bugged by the religious crap brought in. I get it was a funeral (all in Jack’s head…soul…spirit…?) I understand it was supposed to be all about the characters. This is what they’ve said for the past two seasons now, but they added so much beyond the characters they didn’t bother to address. I GET it. I just don’t feel satisfied. I did waste too much time on the online games, message boards, spoilers, all that build-up. Now I feel conned.
Does anyone feel like going shopping at Target?
When Ben said that I wanted to scream “But you don’t know shit about Jacob because you never talked to him until you stabbed him. You don’t really know anything about how any of this works. And your defining characteristic is that you lie about everything.”
Had Hurley actually went on to serve as the new Jacob for some long period of time, and given his personality. He should have been laying out all the stuff he figured out about the island in its service.
And Christian was as bad a choice for the voice of authority they could have chosen to wrap things up – is this Christian the ghost of Jack’s dad, or Smokey in that form, or some unexplained being as place-marker for Jacob?
BAH!
If this was Jack’s Wizard of OZ experience, we shouldn’t have seen all the other non-Jack stuff over the years – I’m looking at you, origins of Jacob and MIB episode. And if it wasn’t Jack’s WoO experience, they shouldn’t have had the finale image being the lifeless wreckage of the plane. The writers threw a bunch of poorly conceived possibilities at us so they can nod knowingly for years at all the stuff folks like the Dope come up with to explain what the island was and think to themselves “Gee, wish we had spent this much time trying to make it all fit together.”
Very disappointed, and I feel somewhat cheated.
On a positive note, coming to these threads after every episode was as much if not more fun than watching the episode itself. Thanks to all of you for that.
-rainy
As many others, I’m still on the fence with my opinion of the finale. However, I am going to patiently wait for the spinoff “Lost-er” 
You are correct, where they ended up is pretty straightforward. But why did Desmond say “I thought I’d go somewhere where we’d all be happy”? Rather, why did the writers have Desmond say that? As a viewer I thought alt-timeline mattered to island-time events - that Alt-Desmond was rallying the troops and coming to the rescue. When RTL-Desmond says that line, it reinforced that mistaken belief.
Which is fine - I love it when a storyteller can successfully fool me then show me my error in an entertaining fashion. “The Sixth Sense” did this spectaularly. But the Desmond line I cry foul on has no in-story explanation - it is purely a message delivered from the writers via a character for the purpose of deceiving the audience. Desmond has no knowledge of the alt-afterlife… [rest of rant snipped here]
…the more I try to dissect this finale, the more disappointed I get. Why can’t I just love the happy ending for the characters I’ve grown attached to and leave the rest alone?
It’s okay. I’ve been here before. The Matrix-3 never happened. Similarly, I will hereafter deny the existence LOST: Season 6. I now have to decide how far back I have to go with my mental deletion of this show.
Season 5 finale. The nuke goes off and they all wake up in the plane and land at LAX to live happily ever after.
became :dubious: became :rolleyes: became :mad:
I wish I had never started watching this show.
And if you join the ends of the duct tape together like a mobius strip, the light side and the dark side are one in the same. It’s a metaphor for the island. 
I was under the impression that MIB’s body got blasted up out of the cave when the smoke flew out, and the body ended up landing somewhere on a rock. Wouldn’t downstream of the cave be underground?
I also don’t get why he wasn’t smokified, suffering the same “fate worse than death” that Jacob’s mommy warned of. Or even worse. “A fate worse than a fate worse than death… That’s pretty bad!” (name that quote)
I think his whole motivation was to leave the island. And since he failed in his attempts to kill all the candidates at once (the sub), I think rather than keep trying to kill them (which he couldn’t do directly – Jacob/MIB rules?), he opted for the shortcut. “If I destroy the island, it can’t keep me here, and all the candidates die when it goes down anyways”. I don’t know, but I’d guess that he wasn’t aware of the other effect flushing the magic light down the magic drain would have – turning him back into a regular man. And perhaps that also meant all mystic rules were off – since he was able to stab Jack (the new Jacob) directly.
As for the sense of threat – I’d agree. We didn’t get any more of a sense of threat on why it would be bad for MIB to leave, other than the previous verbal explanations by Jacob (if he gets out, the world is doomed, etc etc).
Those people are reading too much into the “roll credits” backdrop. It’s just a reminiscence of the setting from season 1. It’s irrelevant to anything but season 1.
So what’s going on with Cindy, and Zack and Emma? When Sawyer, Jack and Co split off from Smokey’s group to go steal his boat, later Smokey and Sayid join up with Jack (the beach artillery bombing), but Smokey seems to have ditched his gang of new followers. Perhaps some of them got blasted when Widmore bombed the beach, but I’m guessing not all.
So are Cindy and the kids still wandering around the island? Will they join up with Hurley and become Hurley’s Others (or HOs, for short)?
Possible explanation of the Island as a cork and destruction of entire world if light goes out: there is some sort of extra-planetary material down in that cave. Anti-matter, strange matter, nanites, whatever. So, the implosion that was beginning on the Island would eventually spread out into the world.
You can see how this would play out with the original inhabitants.
“Whoa, thegods are messing us up bad. That stuff looks dangerous.”
“Yeah, we gotta stop that shit.”
“Let’s spend several months building a water feature and carving a stone bottle-stopper to stick in that hole.”
What i REALLY don’t get is why uncorking the fountain caused the water UPstream to stop flowing.
Other random thoughts:
If you are dead, a near-death experience will help you to realize that you are.
Why did it have to be Desmond to go into Wonder Cave? Why bring him back to the Island to do this one thing–that, apparently, ANYone can do? It just makes them dead. Big whoop. “Everyone dies, sooner or later.”
When did these dead people hatch this plan to all get together in an ATL that makes no sense whatever, especially from a purgatory point of view? Did Hurley gather all the Whispering Ghosts to a confab and suggest they all get coffee sometime? Maybe they could knock some heads and spend some time in county jail along the way. Excellent way to spend your afterlife.
Not much to add that hasn’t already been said in the previous six pages. I had lowered my expectations for this season about halfway through, so I thought the finale was acceptable, but agree with the folks that say that the writers had plenty of opportunity this season to clear up some of the minor mysteries but failed to do so.
Other thoughts: my wife posted something on her Facebook page yesterday about the LOST finale tied to some biblical references - wondering whether now that Jack had drunk from the cup, if he would now die to save everyone. (She was still thinking about the “Last Supper” promo photos from before Season 6 started.) I do think she nailed it in part - Jack did die so that everyone could be saved. He also died with a large wound in his side.
One thing I thought was interesting was that in the ATL, Jack had the neck scrape from where Locke cut him, but didn’t have a huge gaping bleeding wound in his side. (Or was that the “appendix scar” that we saw him looking at early in the ATL?)
And yeah, I wish we could have seen Eko and Walt in the finale. We already got a glimpse of Michael earlier this season so no big deal for me that he wasn’t there.
It will be nice to go back and rewatch it on DVR and be able to skip thru all the damn commercials!
One thing I was waiting till the very end for: what was the Man in Black’s name? He must have had one! Surely “mom” would have called him something. I thought the writers were teasing us by witholding it, and maybe we would recognize him as some historic figure or something if we’d heard it. But no, as they said in recap show, “They’re just guys”. So why wouldn’t they tell us his name???
Perhaps anyone other than Desmond never would have been able to pull the cork out because they would have been killed upon entering the water. Jack was able to replace the cork, but it doesn’t mean that he could have removed it.
Ah, yes.
It wasn’t a near-death experience for most of them. We just saw that first with Charlie, then Desmond. And for Desmond it really wasn’t even a near-death experience – he escaped from the sinking car just fine. It was going back and trying to save Charlie, then seeing an image that was very similar to an image from his real life (Charlie’s hand against the window).
For Claire, it was experiencing the childbirth moment, with Kate delivering (flashback to what happened in real life).
For several others, it was reconnecting with a person they’d fallen in love with.
Although for Jin and Sun – they were already together. It was the ultrasound moment with the baby that sparked their understanding of their real lives.
I assume that nobody else would have been able to get close enough to the cork to pull it out – with the “light” (i.e. electromagnetic field it generated?) going full strength already. They’d die before getting near it. Or get smokified or something.
The part that didn’t make sense to me was how Jack survived (or at least didn’t get Smokied) after restoring it, then sitting down there basking in its electromagnetic glow for a while.
For the same reason it quite snowing when Jimmy Stewart gets his mulligan in It’s a Wonderful Life; so the audience can tell when all is back to normal.
I’m guessing the fact that he had already been Jacobized kept him from also getting Smokified. It may also have given him some sort of limited immunity to the light. Jacob wasn’t immortal, but he clearly did have some … unusual abilities … that Jack never got a chance to try out.
Which actually helps me verbalize part of what I liked about the island ending. Jack, of course, got to sacrifice himself for the good of everybody else, thus completing his long-standing Christ metaphor. And then Hurley – the audience’s proxy – presumably got to live out his life with a full set of Jacobilities, which must have been pretty awesomely cool without a MiB around to complicate things. Sweet deal.
I salute you, Sir!