[blast from the past]
That dog knows things…
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In the ATL, Kate was in Australia and on the same flight w/ Jack. I think rules her out. I wonder if it was that hot Italian chick from a few seasons back-- didn’t he have a little fling w/ her?
Jacob is not good.
A lot of people take things at face value in this show. Some new Japanese import tells us that Flocke is “evil incarnate”, and people say, “See? I knew it.”
Jacob is the evil one. No question. All 360 people have been touched and circumstantially brought to this island by Jacob. Each time he touches them, it is at a time of misery. (Sawyer’s Mom & Dad’s funeral, Jack fighting with dad, even Jin marrying Sun, mob boss daughter, is NOT a happy event.) It’s not like he shows up on Christmas morning with formal invitations to an undiscovered island.
Everybody seems to forget how ruthless and malicious these Others were in the first few seasons. They are not these innocent, harmless temple dwellers they murdered damn near everyone who survived the crash. All of these people are on Jacob’s team, all of these people may have been manipulated by Jacob.
Plus, Jacob’s “sacrifices” he asks of people are torturous. “I’ll save your son if you never see him again?” Same with Juliet’s sister. Oh, she’ll survive cancer, but you, your sister’s muse and best friend, YOU don’t get to see her again? What an ass. These “sacrifices” only hurt people, not help. I’m waiting for Jacob to say, “You can all leave the island alive, but you have to cut off your own arms and legs and throw them in the Swan.”
I still don’t get why people are more stuck on biblical references. It seems there are many more Egyptian, Greek and Roman influences. Of course, god drowns kittens, so maybe Jacob IS like god. :rolleyes:
Of course, If I trash Jacob, it’s just as easy to trash MiB/Flocke. This character always lies. That’s his tool? Exactly what is the point of telling Claire that Aaron is in the temple? For what gain? He could’ve easily have told her that Kate’s got Aaron on the mainland. Join me and I’ll help you get back to him.
As far as Sayid’s actions are concerned, he flopped to the evil side at the end of this episode, but remember, when Sayid uses violence and kills, it usually turns out well for him and others around him. Even in this episode, he gets to save the no-English Jin from the American mob he’s supposed to pay off. (Guess the watch Keamy took from Jin wasn’t gold enough for him.)
And, eeeeee! Evil Claire is SO CUTE! Damn I’d lick her clean. I was seriously waiting for a rock to slam into Kate’s head when they were both in the pit.
We need to get Desmond, Heloise and Widmore on to explain some things. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised that the whole thing is about a 108-stitched baseball and a chain of events contracted to get Babe Ruth on the Red Sox for good and keeping everything else the same. 
At first I thought the reason Schmoky didn’t have a name is he is God who is nameless. But then I kept hearing William Shatner asking, “Why does God need a spaceship?”
Seems like both Jacob and MIB are neither good nor evil but simply selfish, i.e. each with their own agenda. As the season evolves I’m struck with a magnification of a theme that’s been around since the beginning: miscommunication. If Jacob just made sure all the Others knew why keeping MIB at bay was important, and which newcomers to the island were brought there by him, and let them know what was up, well… a lot of grief averted. Had Dogen not been a douche to Sayid, would he still have killed him and let MIB in? Maybe not…
I’m also left wondering, since Claire has been told by two different people the true story of Aaron, and she’s now been in a post conquered Temple void of Aaron, will she really not realize that MIB was lying?
Some centricity spoilers:
next up: Ben
6x08: Sawyer
6x09: Richard - really looking forward to this!
6x10: Jin/Sun
6x11: Desmond/Penny
6x12: Hurley
6x13: ?
6x14: Jack?
6x15: Jacob / MIB - really looking forward to this!!
6x16-18: Finale…
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If I were more devout, I would quote the poem Footprints!
“That, Jack Shepherd, is when I carried you.”
Possible. Or it is possible that Ben had corrupted the Others. I’m guessing “Ben’s Mother” was Smokey. She spoke to him. Did MIB corrupt Ben as a child?
An interesting philosophical debate: would it be more evil to do nothing or to give the candidate their heart’s desire and require service as a condition of miracle.
It also makes me wonder if Jacob healed Jack’s ex-wife’s spine in that surgery? Back in the day, we figured it was the serum. Now, the serum seems like something that the writers might consider “minor” and be forgotten.
Likely because most of the posters had some form of Judeo-christian upbringing and the Christian influences on literature/entertainment stand out more.
Either that or the main character’s resurrected father has the name “Christian Shepherd”…
[sub]I get a unitarian vibe to the series myself.[/sub]
Did he say Aaron was inside or just that he could get him for her? I don’t recall his exact language.
Emile de Raven is impressing me with her acting this season. I thought she was the weak link in the cast, but she’s shining in the last year. Probably because she not just “Scared Mother #1” now.
So, you are suggesting Jacob is a Yankee’s fan, huh? I think he could indeed be evil…
As the only person in the world who really liked Star Trek 5, and considers it better than a movie about saving some damn whales, I salute you!
My reply contains no new spoilers. Only speculation based on the above (which only states who will be the central character for the remaining episodes.
Cool. Thanks for posting this! Wonder about episode 13 (and maybe 14?) Why does your source not know those. Interesting. What can we tell by this info? No Miles or Aylana. Des/Penny will play a big role this season. I’m guessing the lighthouse moment was to bring them as well as test Jack. What about Claire. 13 or 14 HAS to be Claire. Her story is important. I just want to know which of these episodes is going to have the DeGroots. That ain’t minor. Who the fuck are the DeGroots and what’s going on in Ann Arbor!? If they wanted to wrap that plot up, they could have easily last season. We couldn’t possibly be done with the Dharma Initiative or Alvar Hanso!
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The producers have said that we’re not going to get much more on the Dharma Initiative/Hanso/etc. Much of what’s ‘known’ is outside-the-show cannon stuff, like the online games and such; you might want to check out Lostpedia for more information.Locrian - The Others were certainly manipulative, and sometimes cruel (eg kidnapping Walt), but until the rain of flaming arrows during the flashes (which I think was done by fifties-era Others who had no idea what was going on), how many Losties did they actually kill? Michael shot Ana Lucia and Libby while working on their behalf, but he wasn’t really ordered to do so. They quite possibly planned to kill Claire, and likely intended to kill Charlie when they hanged him, but both obviously survived. They certainly murdered almost all of the Dharma folk during the Purge, but that was part of an ongoing war with casualties on either side. I’m sure there are others overlooked. I don’t know whether or not the Others are truly bad, although I do agree with Frank Lapidus that anybody who goes out of his way to tell you that he’s a good guy isn’t to be trusted.
Thank you! There’s another one. Walt being taken. “We’re taking the boy.” WTF?
Perhaps Ben manipulated them for Smokey and some Others are on Smokey’s side. Still, if Jacob’s “good”, why was Ben allowed to kill so many including his dad in the same truck?
I can’t wait for the Ben-centric episode. This has to shine more light on why he took the courses of action he did while semi-ruling the floating island. There’s still a lot of possibilities we can’t cross off the “what if” list yet.
Perhaps Vincent will return and bark in Korean and Sun will translate.
Steve/Scott was killed by Ethan. Goodwin broke that Tailie’s neck while in a tiger pit. There is definitely some good through evil going on here. If Jacob is a good deity, he feels very Old Testament!
I think Jacob was essentially a hands-off kind of god. It ties in with his supposed advocacy of free will - he’d give his followers general orders and to-do lists, and then let them carry out their objectives in whatever manner they saw fit. If they chose to do evil, well, that was their choice.
Remember, this is the guy who didn’t even try to stop Ben from stabbing him. Ben made his decision, and Jacob wasn’t going get in his way.
Heads up if you live in the NY area with Cablevision:
ABC pulled for NY Cablevision viewers
Sucks. Guess I’ll watch it on Wednesdays via the LOST website. Interesting that they did this right before the Oscars, too (though I don’t watch that much).
At least according to Juliet, Ethan was a little off the reservation because he had become obsessed with Claire and her baby (it’s hinted that his own wife died of island babymaking disease).
Goodwin certainly creepily murdered whatisface and then claimed that it was because he was “not a good person” which is a little more evil than most things we’ve seen.
Even setting aside the “Kate was on the plane so it can’t be her” theory, Kate is too young to be Jack’s ex-wife. Jack’s kid is 14-15 in the 2004 alt timeline. And Kate was being touched by Jacob in the early 90s as a pre-teen right around his birth.
I think they struck a deal 17 minutes into the Oscars.
While I agree it was his goal to get Ben, I think that he also told them to kill everyone on the Island, even if they already had captured Ben. It’s been a while since I’ve seen “Meet Kevin Johnson”, so I’m kind of going by lostpedia here:
Yeah, I think they’re going to use this excuse for a cluster-f of various unexplained things. But the season started out so slowly. I think we were subjected to a half hour of kate walking across the island to chase after people. There was so much wasted time that I figured they had no intent to try to wrap everything up in a satisfying way. There’s so much ground to cover in the last season that it should really be dense and fast paced, and for the first few episodes it really wasn’t. They’re going to end up leaving massive issues completely unexplained (like lots of stuff about Dharma) but oh at least we spent the proper amount of time on Kate trekking and boring sideflashes.
If they don’t answer everything major, I see them putting out a book touting the rest of the story.
Can you blame them? Over 5 seasons, they created (usually inadvertently, I’d wager, by having weird stuff happen just to heighten the sense of mystery) innumerable little questions. It would be damn near impossible to come up with satisfying answers to all of them. I’m not exactly thrilled about it either, but I can understand it, given that, however much they might have had the end in mind all along, they were making up the details along the way.
Yes, I can blame them. They’ve always had the option of planning this out in advance and telling a cohesive story, and not just making stuff up along as they go, painting themselves into a corner. I got the impression during season 1 that this was the case, that they really knew what was up, and that’s what sucked me into the show. By late season 2, I figured we’d end up being confused and unsatisfied by the end.
This is what’s getting to me too. There’s way too much fluff sometimes, 5 minutes of sitting on a beach, that’s 5 minutes of wasted time.
I hope they answer some basic questions. Things like how and why Dharma came to the island. Isn’t Dharma a bit pissed off at not having their buildings anymore? I can see skipping some smaller things, but there sure does seem to be a lot left off, and to have those answers in some other setting really sucks since I don’t want to go looking for them. I hope it doesn’t come out to be a crappy ending.