Just kidding:
unvote Meeko
um, NAF isn’t playing in this game.
Exactly why I said ““What?”” – to get at the fact that I knew it wasn’t right.
It would appear that my assumption on how Bill voted was correct. [That Bill was voting the player, not the role.]
Very funny, USCDiver, let’s start this off the right way now;
Who or what is pinging you, on a first impression basis?
So you should probably unvote him.
Alright, I’ve skimmed through looking for BillMC’s posts so I can see what my role previously did/said. Thankfully there wasn’t much to read so I don’t have to remember a whole lot of it, and aside from Meeko, hopefully no one else has any preconceived notions about my alignment.
Also, for the record, I’m a Lost noob. I watched Season 1 on DVD about 3 years ago, but haven’t seen any of the later episodes. From what I can find, my name seems to match my alignment.
Unvote NAF1138
Woah, easy there killer. Before I subbed in, I was reading for entertainment not for comprehension. I’ll have to go back and review things before I start throwing out accusations.
I should also mention that my work schedule is more or less a random assortment of days, evenings, nights, weekends etc so I may be online at unpredictible times. Also, I tend to post infrequently and only when I have something important to say. I’ve played in 2.5 games and Modded arguably the most boring game ever on SDMB.
Ok, apparently I misjudged the rapport we seemed to be having here. I take back the question I had. I just figured that you could provide inisight here. I was just asking for first impressions, not, “USCD, vote now or I FOS you”. sheesh.
Jimmy already did, and his explanation makes perfect sense to me:
He’s right.
I forgot that, that post provided an explanation to his voting, AND to my question.
Ok. There is no need to joke, my Reputation goes before me. a LONG way before me.
This game started off with a LOT of traffic. Was that just because it was the first day, or what?
I mean, yes, I need to reduce my overall post count, but, I can’t really be the only one still interested in playing?
Not meant to offend, I just have no clue on how to read the overall activity level for this game.
well, first there wasn’t much talking because it was night. Now there isn’t much talking because it’s the weekend. Not sure about everyone else, but my plans for the day involve someone much cuter than you ;).
At this point I’m a little confused about what to think about story v jimmy. They fight like an old married couple. Granted I’m not sure how often scum say “Bite me” to another player; seems a bit risky. 
I’m beginning to think the weekend Day start is going to seriously hurt us. Between the depressed conversation at Night and the depressed conversation over the weekend, it doesn’t look like we really have a critical mass to keep conversation going, and of course, without conversation, Town loses.
In the hopes of stimulating what conversation we can, I’m going to make my suspicions from earlier official, and
Vote Imaginary Fiend
for voting Tom Scud, and for the suspicious vote shift away from him at the end of the Day. I hope that a better case for someone will come up toDay, but for now, that’s the best I’ve got.
What exactly is the case for FOS on Imaginary?
Well, some folks were suspicious of him because he opposed the name-claim so strongly. Personally, I don’t think that was such a big deal. The reason I’m currently voting him is that, first, a late-day vote switch onto a person who turned out to be town looks very bad for the person thus saved, and second, because he voted for Tom Scud after it should have been obvious that Tom was Town.
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Snipped and Vote Snipped as well**
I think this is the post that Chronos is referring to.
Below is a part of Imaginary’s quote. I will comment on other parts, but this excerpt [his summary] actually helps my summary.
Call it childish, but in the absence of a real argument against anyone, my gut tells me that Tom’s attack on those who were against name claiming is calculated.
I know that most people don’t understand me. I have been sitting here with this post for some time now, trying to find a way that would best express what I am trying to say. My vote for Imaginary follows.
Given what we know now, about Tom, I think we need to look back at Imaginary’s vote.
Scum essentially has to make up a case against a townie. Based on what Storyteller (IIRC) said earlier, I began to wonder what Imaginary was thinking when he made the cited comments, and subsequent vote.
Scum can present pro-town facts strictly by the letter. In our immediate game here, a lot discussion has been made over claiming. There was, for a while, open debate on how much the LOST canon fit into this game. [Did Mahaloth change up the names against the roles, or didn’t he?] In these windows of time, Scum can make seemingly pro-town statements using the best misinformation.
It is my guess, that, as scum, Imaginary knew Tom to be town. He saw the chance to color Tom’s comments as "“calculated”.
I personally define calculated as taking chances that APPEAR to be boneheaded, if not borderline suicidal, to gamble on a risk that will pay off later.
This is what I think Imaginary was thinking when he called Tom comments calculated. – What is the MOST pro town thing I can say, while still getting a scum viewpoint across?
But,
This logic only pays off, if the person making ““calculated”” comments proves to be scum.
If the person proves to be town [As did happen] then the entire gamble of calling someone “scum” based on calculated comments falls apart.
Imaginary’s case that Tom is scum no longer holds.
I now must question why he made it, and if he was trying to toss it out as a red herring.
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Vote Imaginary
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NETA :
I cited the “calculated” segment again in my comments. I mentioned that I was going to coment on other parts… Those other parts were synonyms of the same “Analytical” and “Balanced”. I believe that if someone is Analytical, they can make cases for both sides of an argument (possibly still showing favor towards, or against one side), and if they are “Balanced” they can make arguments for both sides of an issue equally well.
Given that, again, Balanced is not too far removed from Calculated, IMHO, I Was going to simply tie in these words with Calculated, into my post above.
By the time I started closing my post (That is, concluding my typing) I compeltely forgot that I was going to get back to these other parts of Imaginary’s comments.
At the end of yesterday my vote was sitting on IF. Today, I see serious momentum towards lynching him. The case against **IF **has strengthened rather than weakened over the last few days (the vote switching, **Ich’**s and tom’s innocence). While i am not exactly saddened to see IF on the block, I would like to sketch a disturbing scenario:
Imagine that momentum continues to build against IF and we have a high consensus lynch. imagine further that IF is town. Not only would we have lynched a townie, we’d have gained virtually no information as it’s so safe to vote IF. We go into day three with (likely 3) more dead townies and very little new data.
I’d prefer to avoid that. I’m not all that opposed to lynching IF if it comes to it, but I’d like to encourage town to look elsewhere before settling on that. On that note, two points:
1.) the apparent vigilantee kill.
It is generally bad for a voluntary vigilante to kill the first few nights; they don’t really have the information they need to make a positive contribution. This means that we are either dealing with a noob vigilante (in which case I think town should make it clear they should be more careful) or an involuntary vigilante. there is an argument to be made for an involuntary vigilante being worse than useless and, if we do have one out there, I’d love to hear the town’s perspective on whether they should claim. I’m not up enough on the meta strategy to know the answer; I see points on both sides.
- A case against someone other than IF
Among the late votes that killed Ich and saved IF was Oredigger’s. He originally voted meeko, unvoted when meeko started looking more innocent and, ultimately, case a late vote for Ich. He justified the final vote with a fairly general statement that the case against** Ich **was the best.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251712&postcount=471
the last minute vote switching killed one townie. currently it is a significant contributing factor to the case against IF. In a sense, the vote switching helped the mafia regardless of whether IF was innocent; it either saved a scum yesterday or will help condemn a townie today. Oredigger was one of several involved but, unlike the others he:
A.) Voted for meeko. Meeko looked like a safe and easy lynch for most of yesterday. Mafia love safe and easy lynches.
B.) Didn’t get involved in the drama. yes, drama is anti town, but you’d think mafia would be a bit more concerned about making enemies than story and jimmy seemed to be. **oredigger **was much closer to the prototypical flying under the radar approach.
It’s not the best case I’ve ever made, but my goal is just to get the discussion moving. note: Oredigger is away until Monday.
Vote Oredigger
Further note: I’m mildly intoxicated.
**Vote Count:
Imaginary Fiend(3): Pedescribe, Chronos, Meeko
Oredigger(1): Telcontar
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That’s what I’ve been thinking. It would be an interesting and moderately clever move to derail the vote from one Townie to another, because as you said it casts guilt on the saved Townie. For this reason I am more interested in those who voted for Ichini, especially those whose vote changed in the dying light of Day.
I am going to look over Day 1 with the knowledge the Tom Scud, Nanook and Ichini are Town and see if anything jumps out.
Okay, I have a lot more information that I need to synthesise, but here is some stuff I found:
One of Tom Scud’s last posts:
We at least know that this analysis was based on the truth as Tom saw it. That doesn’t make it true, but more likely to be accurate. Out of all the cases yesterDay he saw the one against IF not only the best, but the only one that held water. Data point noted.
Far more interesting is this post:
The list of people who voted in a way that lead to Ichini’s lynch, plus when they voted. In condensed form, the list is:
Chronos
Zeriel
AllWalker
Oredigger
Jimmy Chitwood
ShadowFacts
storyteller
I will first take this chance to say that although I voted for both Meeko and ultimately Ichini yesterDay, I stand behind those votes. I also still believe that my list of players who did not claim name/alignment agreement is a useful tool, though I probably assigned too much value to it. Nonetheless, here it is again:
storyteller
BillMC
Zeriel
ShadowFacts
Jimmy Chitwood
[del]Ichini[/del]
Now, I am very doubtful that the three names - storyteller, Jimmy and ShadowFacts - are all Scum. Heck, if just one of them are Scum I’d put it down to luck more than anything. This is useful data, but a good argument is stronger.
And a good argument is something I will try to look for later.