I just think that it’s funny that this whole scene came up during a parody/retread of Madonna’s actually shocking “Like a Virgin” performance from the first VMAs back in 1984. That really was out there, with her rolling around on the floor, underwear exposed, humping the stage, moaning lasciviously. It was outer limits, and people talked about it for weeks and there was a great deal of discussion about how such things were really inappropriate for television, even cable television. That talk was coming from every corner, people from the “mainstream” entertainment media (please remember that MTV wasn’t mainstream until around 1986 at the very earliest) were decrying the envelope-pushing engendered in Madonna’s performance and it was one of the facets of her history which put her on the hit list for the “this has gone too far” crowd.
Cut to 2003. A well established international superstar takes on a sapphic scene with not one but two young up and comers of the same gender, including dancing, frotting, fondling and the two kisses, at least one of which was visually tongue-inclusive. The only people who have anything to say by way of complaint about the scene are the die-hard anti-gay crowd or the die-hard uberconservative modesty-decency set. (The former would certainly speak up, the latter just hate on Madonna, Britney and Christina on general principles, no matter what they’re doing.) For most folks, the only reason why this is discussion worthy is because of the whole “two women kissing is hot” angle or the “oh they’re boring, this faux-provocative bit is a yawn” angle, not because of a sense of (inter)national outrage.
Say what you will, times have changed.
They haven’t changed enough, though, IMO, because had one of the Fab 5 from Queer Eye leaned over and smooched Jimmy Fallon with an open mouth and obvious tongue, the hue and cry today would be so great that you’d think that someone had blown up the Statue of Liberty or something. No question.
sigh this silly “kissing” business has overshadowed a more important fact brought to light in this video: Christina’s boobs seem to have surpassed Britney’s in size at some point after the public commotion about Ms Spears’ possible enhancement…
Did that make anyone think about the sketch on SNL where they wish to see some lesbian action, and then realize their mistake when two butch girls are making out and they turn to one another… “We forgot to say “hot”… HOT lesbian action! Nooooo!”
Um, actually, there was some guy on guy action on SNL once-when Ian McKellen hosted, he planted one right on Jimmy Fallon. And he was in drag, too. That was pretty cool.
Nope, because she’s an ARTIST with STAYING POWER. She’s worth more than 15 minutes. It’s been 20 years now for her, an undeniable feat, especially in these “disposable” times. Suck it up.
And yes, matt’s got it right. Madonna enjoys making love with both men and women (and believe me, being married hasn’t stopped her).
I think everyone is overthinking this. It was just supposed to be hot and all in fun. Nothing more.
I underthought it, and my underthought was “Girls, you’re trying too hard.” And then I thought, “I wonder if there’s any ice cream left?”
So no, I didn’t think it was hot, but then girl/girl does nothing for me. I didn’t think it was edgy – Girls Kiss! Also, Fire Hot, Water Wet! But then my idea of sexy tends to be a bit more subtle than two (mostly) straight women putting their tongues down each others’ throats at an awards show.
Oh golly. Madonna kissed another woman. Dread, shock, blub-blub-blub.
Perhaps that would have been shocking when she was “like a virgin” but not now. Well,. not to most grown up people. Sadly, much of the world isn’t grown up yet.
Madonna’s 15 minutes are up. Her stunts are boring.
While Brittney ,Madonna and Christine A ’ music is not my type of music, I think they must have soe sort of talent or else they wouldn’t have the popularity they do. As far as the kissing goes…it achieved what it was supposed to. People are talking about it.
The big group of chicks who “kissed” during their act were faking it. It’s a classic technique used onstage to make it look like two people are kissing, when they’re really just putting their heads close together.
Snark, snark, snark.
So, Shodan, when are YOU going to be in Guiness as the most sucessful female solo artist?
[snooty voice] I don’t measure my success by crass commercial standards. I want to be true to my Art.
For that reason, I refuse to sell out to the masses by photographing anything other than Jell-O in the shape of obscure eighteenth century prizefighters.
[/snooty voice]
Besides, I doubt it was their heads close together that caused my instinctive grossed-out reaction. It was their tongues close together.
Not that Madonna hasn’t had worse things in her mouth.
Naw, she didn’t stoop, she’s an entertainer, and I was entertained. Plus after watching it 50 times, the kisses weren’t really that long anyway. If only it lasted longer!!
Hmmm, I can’t decide what’s more disgusting-kissing Xtina, or kissing the Blarney Stone. Xtina=total skank, but the I’ve heard that the local teenagers piss on the Blarney Stone late at night.
Plus after watching it 50 times, the kisses weren’t really that long anyway. If only it lasted longer!!