I didn’t know full, exact copying of PMs was allowed. I remember one storyteller game where you weren’t allowed to do it but instead, you had to paraphrase it/put it in your own words.
But hey, if it’s allowed in this game, great… here it is:
So even though it matches yours, it MUST mean I’m scum since scum have false roles, right? Pay no attention to the fact that EVERYONE’S PM, therefore, is going to already look like yours and therefore should be a moot point to vote for someone, it has to be because I have a false role, right?
Are you being deliberately obtuse? My point was that since I have a clue that would BENEFIT scum, scum may try to vote for me in order to get me to claim it.
But nothing doing. I’m not going to do that, so vote for me all you want if you find that suspicious. Oh wait, you already are…so that’s just 2 out of 3 foolish reasons for voting for me then (your first one I can understand). But your “Idle Thoughts always does this reasoning (which isn’t a reason you put an actual number one)” is also (in my opinion) pretty foolish.
You play in one game with me claiming on day one and you’ll find it suspicious (everyone does the first time).
You play in 10 GAMES with me claiming on day one and eventually you’ll learn “Him doing that is a null tell, because he does that all the time”.
If you’re being funny, why didn’t you unvote me?
If you’re being serious, you know I’m male, right?
And if you’re being serious and already know I’m a male: Why the vote?
I didn’t number it because it’s not one of the reasons I’m voting for you, just like I’m not voting for “pizza being pizza.” I’m willing to accept that you reveal every day on Day 1.
I’m voting you because of the manner in which you did it.
The manner of which I did it…you mean putting it out there in bits and pieces?
If it’s that, I’ve explained why I did it like that in that post (and have since posted the full PM)…so…why are you still voting for me then?
Because you don’t believe me?
So, a player reveals their clue says “A character with a female name is scum”…and because mine happens to be a female name, I’m a good choice…is that correct, Septimus?
You do know there are PROBABLY others in this game with female names, right?
Guess I’d better do that scum hunting thing. Theory is all well and good but we have non-theoretical scumbags afoot.
Cold read of players from start to now: let’s see how worthless that is this early.
I feel good about leaving IS alive for now. His opening posts plus this one indicate to me that he’s engaged in the game and being fairly open about what’s on his mind. That helps players who analyze posts read his intentions. I’d favor leaving him be for now until a better read comes in. I don’t trust the players who hang back and let the discussion happen on its own and aren’t engaged, because I cannot cold read them.
Couple of warning signs. The entire post reads to me as an almost forced attempt to sound engaged, positive, and upbeat. She’s also asking too many direct questions of other players for it to feel natural to me. Read the other player’s posts and you should be able to see the difference. A concentrated burst of direct questions to other players. Just feels out of place.
If I am a scum player who is not confident in my ability to fool people, what I do is I mimic the most common signs that someone is a valuable townie, or at least, a townie you want around: Someone who is discussing and asking questions and has a positive attitude (for diplomatic reasons- nobody likes to get rid of nice, positive people).
I couple this post with the one where she cold reads me townie based on my play so far. That’s correct, but iirc DaphneBlack and I have played together before and I honestly believe she would be more wary of me. Especially if I am talking a lot about game theory and am focusing my attack on basically only one candidate, something I recognize I do when I am scum.
I think the odds are better than random DaphneBlack is not a townie.
This post feels like a natural and real reaction to having a non-dangerous clue, and what a townie will think, reacting to that.
I had a similar reaction myself, but paused and thought that it may not be the case for everyone and that mass reveals could make it easier for the scums to guess the setup of the game. So I remember having this very organic reaction, and I give Mahaloth solid town lean for it.
Those of you in his shoes with a similar non-dangerous clue should also have had that reaction. Think about it.
The clue that Chronos has could be a real clue given to him as a scumbag, or even a cover clue given to his cover role, which doubles as useful information to James Moriarty.
I don’t know how I feel about Chronos yet, but his clue is just as useful for the scums to know as the townies.
Idle claiming vanilla immediately scores him townie points because he literally cannot be a scumbag with night actions unless he’s willing to potentially be found guilty by a tracker or watcher.
Scums who are not vanilla should never claim to be vanilla townies.
This claim is too dangerous for non-vanilla scums to use, and furthermore, vanilla scums are usually the cannon fodder which do the night kill, since they’re less of a loss if they get caught.
I disagree with all votes on Idle Thoughts at the moment. Even if he were guilty, he’s made his own game a potential minefield. He’d have to be inactive to avoid the other two types of investigators, and a simple normal investigation would catch him otherwise, unless he were a Godfather.
If any one of the early voting candidates should be given more rope, it’s this guy. I intend to vote for rival candidates if it will spare Idle.
Again I disagree with Idle’s reckless strategy of claiming this so early unprompted, however, I have yet to see it be a game-killer. It’s also irrelevant to how townie or scummy he is.
His feelings about his clue feel as organic as Mahaloth’s. This and other posts make me have zero interest in voting Astral. We’ll see if I can cite some more as I go along.
Again, I feel Daphne is quick to hand out the townie card. Her posts also continue to read unnaturally to me.
My vote on this guy was actually not random, I voted him because I have never played with him before to my knowledge, and because I wanted to start getting him on record as having reacted to voting pressure. Also, a nice way of introducing myself to someone I’ve not played with before.
Hello, my name is Askthepizzaguy, you killed my father, prepare to die.
You know, that old chestnut. But his reaction didn’t feel like he had any interest in joining the group in that whole finding scums game we’re playing, and thus, my vote remains. Nothing he’s done since then has changed my mind.
He may yet be able to reverse my opinion, and if he’s townie I hope he does. But only he can do this at this point.
I think this vote does nothing to find scum.
(Snipped… as a matter of fact I’m probably going to snip a lot of quotes just to focus on the relevant part)
Seems like a natural question to ask, and it does help find scum because it challenges a player’s read of someone as townie.
I want more from TexCat, though, so I’m mostly neutral about her. She’s great at sniffing bullshit and so I’d encourage her to get those sniffers going.
I don’t agree with her conclusion, or how she reached it.
I think the real reason she accepted the claim is because she knows already who is townie and who isn’t.
I think this post is an outright lie, in fact. Maybe I’m seeing things that aren’t there but I disbelieve almost everything Daphne has said so far.
Captain Klutz, and subsequent posts- neutral. I can’t find anything here yet.
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We know that most of the total clues are true, but we also know that every scum has a true clue. This means that the total number of clues held by town may be less than 50% true.
Johnny Bravo’s thought process is surprising to me. His approach to the game is wholly different from mine. Didn’t even occur to me to focus on what percent of the clues are true, I just assumed I should be skeptical of all of them.
I’m not sure how to read a player with such a different approach. I am interested to see where he goes with things, but I can’t decide where I should put him.
You can take it with the usual grain of salt, but I’d never post this as scum. This invites a needless day one lynch and people’s psychology is such that they will accept such an invitation.
If people say they’re going to vote you, daring them to do so and being stubborn is not the way you gain their favor or get them to move on to other targets.
This post is why you can know I am townie with certainty. Take it or leave it.
Neutral, but also filed under “this is something scums do on Day 1 to get a feel for the discussion and avoid being the day 1 lynchee.” It is almost 100 percent effective at keeping votes off of oneself. It’s impolite, after all, to vote for someone who has essentially begged for a little time due to RL.
It’s neutral because townies do it too, but it’s such a cheap way to not die Day 1 that I’m noting it. Especially if Rysto doesn’t impress later on.
Dizzy has historically reacted to the style and strategy of my play with this reaction. I don’t think I’ve ever done anything in the early game she’s approved of. She is also immensely paranoid about me.
Posts like these get my attention because they single me out as being different from other players. Others vote randomly day one, but it’s me she focuses on.
It’s typical Dizzy and I can’t detect anything abnormal about it. Neutral.
Also, since Dizzy and I have such wildly different views about the game, I’m liable to try to discuss the approach with her so she can grok what I’m thinking and vice-versa. It would be a nice change of pace to see eye-to-eye.
Neutral, but clues which suggest other clues are false are probably false.
Think about it, TexCat:
If a clue is false, and there’s another clue which says that the first clue is false, there’s little or no point in the first clue being false, because it did not have the detrimental effect against the town that the game designer intended.
Now, you could balance that out by having half of the clues which suggest other clues are false be true.
Make sense? Otherwise it’s a bit predictable which clues should be ignored. In general, just ignore every clue (and therefore, in the process, render moot the clue that tells about the other clue being false) that has been declared false by another clue, therefore making those 2 clues a wash.
More interesting is a false clue which says a true clue is false.
As a matter of fact, I have a clue which suggests another clue is false. And I am very, very skeptical of it.
Here it is:
Either my clue or Langdale Pike’s clue is false. As a game designer, in my opinion, I am in possession of the false clue, and you should consider Langdale Pike’s clue to be potentially true anyway.
Not 100 percent lock true, but do not discount Langdale Pike’s information simply because I have a clue which suggests his is false.
One of the clues is definitely false, and from a game design standpoint, I’d make it the one that says the other one is false, because THAT will successfully confuse people.
Otherwise, I’ve just successfully thwarted Langdale Pike’s clue from doing damage to the town.
That’s boring.
There’s no twist. There’s no drama. Whereas if my clue is false, that makes the game much, much more interesting.
Of course, having deduced that my clue is false, if I am correct, it would seem I also just gave my endorsement for Langdale Pike to reveal his clue… EXCEPT
Langdale pike, you give cover to Sherlock Holmes. Revealing who you are makes it easier for scums to find Sherlock Holmes. Reveal your clue if and when you think it is justified, but keep in mind you and others’ existence makes it harder for scums to find our detective. So my suggestion is to sit on your clue, and do not reveal it, even if it is potentially useful!
Easy mistake to make.
Could be true, but also the strategy I’d pick if I were scum. Keeps the options open.
The whole post here reads as safe. I don’t like safe.
Next up is Sinjin’s terrible post:
He then goes on to vote me, too.
I don’t subscribe to a thing Sinjin just said.
I like the aggression, but all of it seems entirely misplaced.
I seem to remember getting dogpiled by an entire scum team right away as a claimed mason in a game on Giraffe.
I do not mind dying early and flipping innocent to get attention placed on the opportunists who vote for me based on what I consider contrived reasons.
I tempted Silver Jan to put her vote where her smudge was and she declined. Cautious Silver Jan is cautious.
Heh, skimming is such a bogus tell I even point out that I just skimmed when I am scum because of how ridiculous the concept is. We all do this all the time, it seems like. Your shoelaces are tied, you must be scum, etc.
Typically townie behavior of not even noticing who got voted. Doesn’t feel like acting either.
Sinjin’s entire offense so far is a glass jaw easily shattered.
A reminder to bold and blue, no vote tags.
A lot of people seem to be independently coming to the same conclusions here.
Where’s Darth’s interaction with anyone besides me?
I disagree with 3 of those votes and am neutral on the fourth.
Good effort but I think you’ve missed the mark, and/or I’d need further convincing.
Neutral on Chronos. You might get me there, but he’s got meat in his posts and I hate to kill that on Day 1. Maybe later.
Show me more about how scummy he is. So far, all you’ve done is point out his Mahaloth vote is weaksauce. Sure, it is, but is he scum for weaksauce votes?
Doubtful. What else you got? Curious about others opinions on Chronos since he’s seemingly going to be one of our big discuss-y talker guys.
If Daphne is scum, I would wager heavily that either sinjin and idle are both townies, or that she is scum with sinjin.
The other two are more obviously townie. I think she’s giving out townie cards way too easily. I don’t trust Daphne.
If Daphne is scum, wevets seems independent of her, and likely townie.
wevets and idle both feel townie from this exchange.
Reasons for these votes given in above massive post. Separating for ease of visibility.
**Vote Silver Jan
Vote DaphneBlack
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My current votes are Darth Sensitive and Sinjin.
Let’s cut Darth a break, we can return to him. My votes are meaningless if they’re spread too thin. Plus, votes on Silver Jan and Daphne are based on content, not meta.
Pizza quoting this made me remember it to bring up another point:
If you think I’m scum, then why do I have a clue that would benefit scum knowing it?
We’re told that scum all have true clues, well, then my clue would obviously be something scum DOESN’T know yet…so the mod giving my clue to a scum player makes no sense.
And yes, I know you don’t know this because you don’t know what my clue is, and no, I’m not about to tell you either…because it would benefit scum to know.
I concur, but more information is gleaned by attempting to get Moriarty and his thugs.
Pressure on scums, even if unsuccessful in lynching them, is infinitely better than safe votes on obvious vanillas.
Pizza doesn’t like waiting for ages to start voting, pizza doesn’t like to wait for ages for people to have something to analyze, pizza doesn’t like any length of any game where the scums get no pressure. In short, I don’t want to waste my time.
I could die at the end of this very round. Why would I waste it chasing innocent people who are obvious nillers.
I want to have my vote on at least two scumbags before the round ends. Otherwise I wasted my time.
Again, if Idle is scum, his claim renders him incapable of doing a damned thing at night without potentially being caught and rendered an immediate liar by trackers and watchers.
Scums who hamstring their options on day one are scums that will die. Townies who are vanilla townies aren’t our targets to lynch anyway.
Your main defense is that you didn’t know we couldn’t post our entire rules because of an earlier storyteller game. I don’t have the context to judge that claim, so (assuming it’s kosher to do so) I’ll just ask for a link to that game.
Hi Pizza! I am wary of you by nature but I still think you are town right now. Not voting for you. Don’t really see a lot in what you have said so far that makes me go hmm. The huge walls of text can make my eyes glaze over a bit tho.
Some votes
vote Septimus
vote Silver Jan
No concrete evidence. Don’t like septimus’ vote at all. silver Jan seems keen to avoid responsibility.