Do people really think that as a scum team** gnarly** and **scathach **would post the same clue? Seriously? Scum usually have time to talk and ordanise things. I think that if they both posted the same clue that would be very poor play from scum.
Sorry about my absence there; unexpected circumstances involving a promise to see a movie with my nephew and a sold-out theater. Catching up now.
Oh, cool. Mystery explained.
This is incorrect. I have never done this when I was scum. Every time I’ve claimed on Day one, I’ve been town.
Anyway, I’ll vote Septimus. Right now he’s the only one I’m looking at with this sort of look on my face: :dubious: …mostly because of his reasoning for his (first) vote on me, which seemed like someone trying to capitalize on what seemed to be an early bandwagon, but all they had was very weak reasoning.
And good grief, a day one Sherlock Holmes claim? :smack: Either town is bad at reading this game or we’re all about to get conned to the extreme.
Unvote DaphneBlack
If DaphneBlack is NOT, in fact, Sherlock Holmes, I think there’s value in the real Holmes NOT counter-claiming. I’m going to assume Sherlock is our detective, and better to have a few investigations under your belt before claiming. Your death effectively counter-claims Daphne all by itself.
OK, done catching up. Obviously the biggest thing I missed (though only just barely, it looks like) is Daphne’s claim. Personally, I’m in favor of letting claimed power roles, especially information-gathering ones, life at least for the first couple of days. She’ll have to post investigation results now, which means if she’s lying, there will be plenty of opportunities to expose her lies. I also agree with Astral that if she is lying, the real Sherlock should wait a bit to counterclaim.
On the duplicate clues, Scathach said that he didn’t notice gnarly’s clue-claim at the time he posted his. I’m inclined to believe that that’s true, regardless of Scathach’s alignment. It could still be that Scathach is Scum and just didn’t notice; I don’t think missing something like that is something that’s particularly Townie or Scummy either one. Whatever the alignment of those two, it looks likely that Silver Jan’s clue that some clues are duplicated is accurate, so I’m reluctant to conclude anything from that.
Speaking of Scathach, from post 290:
Keep in mind, Texcat is also the one who speculated that the Scum might have meta-information on the clues. In that case, any clue could potentially help Scum, if they know something like “Dr. Watson knows how ties are resolved”, or something like that.
No, I had noticed gnarlycharlies clue-claim, and that’s what triggered me to post my own in the same post where I said I noticed it.
While this is true, it doesn’t speak towards the alignment of the person actually posting the clue. Also, if it was a general “I will vote any clue poster because posting clues is anti-town” then why only vote for gnarlycharlie.
I am not going to add anything else at this time. I agree that “lynch the loud” is at play here.
I missed Dizzy’s clue indicating cover clues, my mistake. I still think it unlikely that having a duplicate-clue-reveal is some kind of scum plot, though.
vote DiggitCamara
Their vote on me was totally jumping on a bandwagon with no actual thought behind it and they have barely posted otherwise. I think they want to fly under the radar.
Or lynch the quiet, cautious player. I thought your vote on me was just following a wagon,** Astral always finds me scummy and Pizza likes to get me upset so that I post more. I always find Dizzy** scummy (and she does me) but I have looked at her posts and apart from her revealing a clue that doesn’t really help either side she hasn’t said to much except goading Pizza. Scum often get cover roles so that’s not a big thing to reveal but nor are the other clues we have had.
Vote DizzymrsLizzy
I was going to vote for DaphneBlack until she said she was Uncle Sherlock so I would rather give her time to prove herself.
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[memo to Pizza: it is def. a personality quirk of mine. Have you played with guiri? I think he and I have similar styles.]
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I think prior experience of Players is very important. … For example, I suspect Mahaloth when he seems Townie, since I always get scum vibes from him when he’s Scum. :smack:
Anyway, for now I’ll follow my policy of delaying any early Lynch of a claimed Power.
Unvote: DaphneBlack
Texcat is playing much more aggressively than usual. I don’t know if that is a scum tell or a town tell for her, but
Vote: TexCat
My first vote on Idle was a joke/random vote: his character’s gender made him slightly more likely to be Scum than the output of random.org would be. But he reacted by flailing wildly, first “forgetting” his gender and then smudging me.
Vote: Idle Thoughts
No one, Scum or Town, would post the very same clue as another already posted unless it was truly their clue. This seems so obvious, I’ll be scrutinizing the posts of those who pretend to think otherwise.
forgot to check in here- no time to catch up- I will read when I can- when does DAy end?
On Wednesday sometime
Obviously I will
Unvote DaphneBlack
for at least the time being. But I want to voice a couple concerns I still have.
- The refusal to post any piece of her role is suspicious.
- My suspicion leads me to consider the following possibility: the scum have a clue that reads something like, "there is no player whose character is named “Sherlock Holmes.” I concede that this is a bit far-fetched.
Either way, I agree that Daphne is going to have the burden of proof in the next few days, so we’ll see how that plays out.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I think scum can use it by just copying someones clue but there are only so many clues out there (the number of players) so it might make it harder for scum. I also think that by getting as many clues that are correct it could be easier to dismiss the clues that are wrong. I don’t think a scum Scathach would have posted a clue identical to gnarly’s if she wasn’t Town. Once again I think I will get the response “scum would do anything” but really on D1 that would be a huge mistake for scum to make. Scathack is on my Town list so far because she only revealed her clue after rereading and then noticed that gnarly had posted the same clue, she had no idea that I had a clue saying that that could happen. I think someone (not me) should make a note of how many clues come out and question people if there are more clues than people. My Maths is horrendous, I wouldn’t even trust me with counts like that.
“No one, Scum or Town, would post the very same clue as another already posted unless it was truly their clue. This seems so obvious, I’ll be scrutinizing the posts of those who pretend to think otherwise.”
I meant to leave this whole bit into my argument
Scum wouldn’t do that?? Really?? And why wouldn’t they? Particularly if they knew there were players with identical clues. Or let’s suppose that Scathach is scum and her true clue says that ties are broken by no-one being lynched. Is she likely to post her own true clue, or a copy of Gnarly’s false one?
Vote SilverJan
I don’t think that Gnarly and Scathach can both be scum, but am leaving my vote on each of them because I wouldn’t mind seeing either of them lynched. My preference right now is for Septimus.
Frankly I think it’s infinitely more likely that I would have kept my mouth shut and leave town to believe whatever they want without drawing unnecessary attention to myself.
I’m sorry but that is just whacked! MY clue told them that players could have identical clues, why would scum know that? Leaving a vote on both of them is the same as voting for neither of them and your vote on me is just…just weird.
Vote Texcat
For her very strange vote on me and for not thinking things through.
More and more I’m thinking you’re a terrible player. Because if you really ARE Town, your reasonings here suck (and are also extremely weak–almost to the point where they don’t make any sense at all).
What’s this “‘Forgetting’ my gender” BS? Do you seriously think I would try to sell the fact that my GAME ROLE IS NOT FEMALE? :rolleyes: It’s an obvious female name…one just doesn’t forget something like that and if you’re trying to make the case that I tried to make it LOOK like I didn’t know what you were talking about, in what way would that give me an advantage? It makes no sense.
What does make sense is very simple…The option that you apparently failed to think of (or that you’re dismissing out of hand due to being scum): That I was confused at first and thought that you thought I was female.
Secondly, smudging you? Damn right. Because your initial reasoning for voting for me was basically: Oh, someone’s clue (which may be false) says a female in the game is scum. Idle has a female name, so he MUST BE SCUM!
I even asked you “You DO know there’s probably more than one female character in the group right?”
So I ask you again. Seriously…what’s the answer?
You know there’s probably more than one female character right? Yes or no?
Because if “yes”…then I don’t see how my being female is any more relevant to my being scum than anyone else who is female. We all have the same chance of being scum. Most players would consider it a null thing, therefore, at the very start… but not septimus, because he doesn’t care about silly things like that. If there’s a female scum in the game then it MUST BE THE ONLY FEMALE WHO HAS CLAIMED SO FAR!!! This is how his mind works.
Sorry, but if you’re going to have that weak of a reason and then IGNORE my question to you (twice, by the way. I asked you TWICE “Do you really think there’s only one female in the game?” and you ignored it both times, so I’m betting you’re going to continue to ignore it because you don’t have a good answer for it) then, yes, I’m going to vote for you. The fact that you’re crying that I’m smudging you over something that can easily be seen as scummy behavior tells me you’re probably protesting too much. Either that or you really forgot what sort of things people look for when playing this game.
And don’t bother giving me that “Ohhh, I was just HALF JOKING” before…if you were only joking, you would have voted. You can’t get away with “Haa, haa, I’m being funny and half joking” when you put a REAL vote on someone and keep it there, because that’s going to make the votee go “Huh? :dubious:” rather than “Ohh, haha, that’s a good one! 
You got me, man.”
I think you had weak reasonings before, got called out on it, and are now on tilt thinking “Oh, I gotta show him I’m really serious about this now” and are messing up even MORE (if you’re Town) or trying to compensate for your previous weak reasonings (due to being scum).
Players didn’t know that there could be identical clues until I said so. Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut but really!!! I cannot see scum doing that, scum would most likely make up a clue to throw Town off. I didn’t want to say what my clue was because scum could take advantage of it but Texcat thinks differently, very odd.