Mafia: Baker Street [Game in progress]

[DaphneBlack]

I do know that septimus did not perform the scum kill yesterday.

[DaphneBlack]

Whoops, septimus was not supposed to be in blue there… dunno how that happened.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Astral_Rejection

… and TexCat isn’t scum, by your reasoning? I clearly and willfully stuck my neck out for a town player whose lynch is almost assured? God, I’m such an awful scum.

@Astral_Rejection

Yeah, I certainly wasn’t drawing attention to myself in any way…

You keep doing this thing where you agree with people in order to suggest the opposite.

Now I shall agree with your statements in order to suggest you’re caught and forced to admit to the things which incriminate you, using sarcasm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Astral_Rejection

Wait, when did I accuse you of being TexCat’s partner?

I feel the need to provide you with some ammunition to make it a sporting challenge.

[Inner_Stickler]

What the fuck is up with the scum team? DB is still alive but Silver Jan is dead? What the hell. And how did Texcat get hold of the same clue as Idle? Is there really a scum clue investigator? Seems unnecessary for a side that is already guaranteed a chunk of true clues.

[DaphneBlack]

I assume they are worried about being caught murdering me, or a doctor protecting me and wasting a kill.

Or they are just being nice to me since I was so helpful to them, arguing against the lynch of Texcat… sigh

No clue why they would kill Silver Jan though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Astral, a trip down memory lane…

[spoiler]Post 438. Board won’t let me quote it for some reason so I’m copying it. You guys can find it.

[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Here’s one of those vote counts you’re always hearing about:

**Astral Rejection (5) - wevets, Daphne Black, Chronos, Rysto, gnarlycharlie

Texcat (5) - Scathach, septimus, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharly, Pleonast

Askthepizzaguy (4) - sinjin, Chronos, Inner Stickler, Pleonast

Pleonast (4) - Chronos, LightFoot, Mahaloth, Darth Sensitive
**
septimus (3) - DaphneBlack, Texcat, Idle Thoughts

Silver Jan (3) - Astral Rejection, Askthepizzaguy, Captain Klutz

dizzymrslizzy (2) - Silver Jan, Septimus

Idle Thoughts (2) - wevets, septimus

Mahaloth (2) - Chronos, sinjin

sinjin (2) – Askthepizzaguy, Dizzymrslizzy

Chronos (1) - wevets

DaphneBlack (1) - Askthpizzaguy

Darth Sensitive (1) – gnarlycharly

DiggitCamara (1) - Askthepizzaguy

gnarlycharly (1) - Darth Sensitive

Inner Stickler (1) - wevets

Johnny B (1) - Lightfoot
[/QUOTE]

Note the bolded top 4 candidates.

Here’s the situation:

It was Astral and TexCat and Pizza for the lynch around about that time. Pizza not happy with the top three, pushes for the fourth place guy.

Why not listen to ol’ pizzaface in that circumstance.

What happened after I indicated I wasn’t willing to lynch either one of Astral or TexCat?

@Askthepizzaguy

TexCat, Astral, your assistance on killing the Pleonast-y would be appreciated by me.

Answer: This is what Astral posted.

@Astral Rejection

Oops, sorry. I C&Ped Story’s vote count and just started counting votes from there. I didn’t check his work prior to that post. My bad!

@Pizza: I’d be happy to take a closer look at Pleo.

@DaphneBlack: I actually share your suspicions about Dizzymrslizzy. I’m gonna take a closer look there, too.

Happy to look at Pleo. Also happy to look at Dizzy. Anyone but TexCat and the guy who is not interested in voting for either you or TexCat, right?

Who better to toss under the bus but Pleo.

@Astral Rejection

I didn’t realize Pleonast only has 4 “actually playing the game” posts. His other three are check-in-type posts. If you had asked me before re-reading his posts specifically, I would have guessed 10ish posts. Huh.

Anyway! His first post is entirely mechanics discussion. To be fair to Pleonast, that’s pretty much what all of us talked about at the beginning of the game… but it’s a bit late and a dollar short. Plus, he largely agrees with everyone. But when this is 1/4th of your posts, I feel like it needs to be a little more focused on scum hunting. Really, this is a lean neutral for me… scum tend to focus on mechanics posts, but he came to the game late and I can’t begrudge him wanting to chime in.

His second post of the game, he discusses a ton more mechanics and throws a weak vote out for Pizza. Then, more mechanics.

Thirdly, we get more mechanics, and some light questioning of wevets and some discussion with others. Pizza, to be fair, I agree with him about your self-professed tell being useless to town, since we can’t possibly know how earnest you’re being about it.

For his fourth and final post so far, we get a vote for Texcat for an understandable if overstated reason. I personally wouldn’t toss a vote out for that, because TexCat is largely right… the moderator has implied a mass claim of clues could hurt town to some degree, and it’s likely it would hurt town quite a bit more than it hurts scum. Regardless, I can’t assign too much scummyness for a vote I don’t agree with.

But… like with LightFoot, what bothers me is what isn’t said. In catching up, Pleonast was quick to offer his comments about any mechanics discussion was happening, regardless of how much conversation had already taken place. What he doesn’t do is comment on the cases of each day, and that’s a huge gaping hole in his play. We have no idea what he thinks of me or the cases on me, or what he thinks about Septimus or the cases on Septimus, and so on. That’s literally the most important thing he needs to be catching up on, and it’s what he chose to skip.

And I find that scummy.

I’m going to break my “no multivote going into the final day of the Day” rule (it lasted so long! Almost a whole Day!) and cast a vote for him while leaving my vote for LightFoot. Upon reflection, I remembered that we have a tendency to immediately forget the suspicions of those who die, and if I’m lynched I want you to remember that I find LightFoot scummy.

Vote Pleonast.

The convenient timing of the push by pizza onto Pleonast leads to Astral suddenly finding Pleonast scummy. His case is exquisite, with plenty of cited reasons. Quite professionally done. An excellent hit job.

@Astral_Rejection

Step 1: Convince Astral to vote for Pleo.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

I wanted to see what you would do. And you didn’t disappoint. You let innocent people die.

@Askthepizzaguy

You just proved to me that you’d be willing to put Pleonast in the ground, assuming the round is coming to a close and there’s public support for either one of your deaths. You could just as easily have come after me or TexCat. Or listened to Daphne about Dizzy.

Essentially, I presented to you a bunch of options. If I am scum in your shoes, what I do, at that moment, reveals what I really want to happen next.

If you were scum, Pleonast is therefore much less likely to be scum, in my estimate. If Pleonast flips scum, it tells me a lot about Astral Rejection as well.

Regardless of how I feel about you being townie, I would be derelict in my investigation not to at least try to determine your motivations and possible allegiances.

We are all detectives, in our own way.

Remember this? Soon after we revealed we had no interest in lynching Pleonast, Dizzy got your vote. With promises that you read all of her posts first. Good man.

@Astral_Rejection

Okay, I read all of Dizzy. I have the same issue with her that I do with LightFoot & Pleonast: she doesn’t weigh in on any cases. Pop quiz: how scummy does Dizzy find me, one of the lynch leaders? We don’t know. How scummy does she find TexCat? Beats me.

I think I’m detecting a pattern here in regards to my thought processes.

Vote Dizzymrslizzy.

Dizzy, if I survive this, you can earn my unvote by getting more involved. We need to know your thoughts on the lynchees.

I found that vote interesting as well.

@Askthepizzaguy

Mmmm, more voting data for later analysis.

[/spoiler]

As promised, the later analysis:

Astral appears to be having difficulties keeping himself and his scum pals from being voted and/or dying.

And the conclusion:

He like a do da cha-cha.

[Astral_Rejection]

Dearest Pizza: I’ve been under lynch pressure all game. This further accusation is just a drop in the bucket.

I’ll get to scum hunting when I get home from work tonight. If people are dead-set on lynchifying me, could we please at least develop other cases and continue playing the game in the meantime? The silence is dreadful.

(P.S. I employ sarcasm against nebulous or poor rationales because it brings me joy. Sweet, sweet joy.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dearest Pizza: I’ve been under lynch pressure all game. This further accusation is just a drop in the bucket.

Then let it be the fatal drop.

I need to get wevets, Rysto, gnarlycharlie, septimus, and **DiggitCamara **some more satisfaction after they’ve been hounding scumbags all game long, so they can enjoy full credit for being way, way up the scum team’s butt with a blowtorch pretty much the entire time.

Good sir scumbag, you have fought with valor and distinction. It makes me weep to see you die so suddenly after your honorable teammate fell in the mexican standoff. But those will be tears of sweet, sweet joy. Your agony is my sunshine. Your teardrops are the stars in my heaven. Your blood is the ocean upon which the ship of victory sails. Your final breaths are the wind beneath my wings.

[Idle_Thoughts]

@septimus

Idle’s claim and commentary does raise suspicion and make me question my Unvote of TexCat.

@ Idle – does your clue contradict TexCat’s? Or is it instead a clue which, if true, implies that TexCat’s is also true?

The second. TexCat’s is true,…she just left EXTRA stuff out about it.
But it’s true, mine doesn’t contradict in it any way. Mine matched JB’s exactly, save for one word TexCat left out (that, when put it, tells extra info----although leaves the rest of what TexCat said as true).

Not sure what to believe…but with my already strong suspicions of TexCat, it just makes me feel like she’s lying.

[Astral_Rejection]

Guys, have your cameras ready. When I flip town in seven days, it’s gonna blow pizza’s mind.

[Idle_Thoughts]

Just caught up…I see Texcat was lying scum, as I figured she was.

So I go back to what I was saying then: I think JohnnyBravo had the exact same clue that I did…but when Texcat got a hold of it, she changed it by leaving out a word and withholding what the full clue says.

If this is correct, that means scum probably already know what the real clue says anyway…so should I post my clue?
I don’t see any reason why not since it’s very possible I was right and that Texcat changed JB’s clue in order to hide any possible extra info from Town. Keep in mind that this is how I figured her to be definite lying scum late in the Day yesterDay…so I think the odds are good she really was lying and changing it.

[Inner_Stickler]

I think it depends on how likely you think it was that storyteller is passing off as unique clues with one word differences vs scum getting hold of a clue and altering it. I don’t believe he used c&p in the construction of the role PMs so…

[Idle_Thoughts]

Well, as I said before, the clue she got from JB matches mine EXACTLY, word for word (with the exception of one word that was changed).

I think it’s good money that she changed this word before relating it to you all. Because, after all, that’s what made me sure she was lying scum.
I mean, I had already been suspicious of her before that…but after she posted JB’s clue (or what she said it said), that pretty much confirmed it in my mind. See this post again for how sure I felt that she was scum after she posted that info.

[Rysto]

I don’t think that she did have JB’s clue. As I said earlier, JB said that his clue, if false, could lead to a mislynch. I don’t see how that follows from your clue.

Maybe the scum had a straight-up clue investigator, and she investigated you? I couldn’t explain why she changed a word in that case though.

[Rysto]

I was trying to figure out why the name “Irene Adler” sounded familiar. Finally remembered to go back and check my clue:

CLUE: The woman whose real name is Irene Adler can change alignments under certain circumstances. Alignment changes of any kind are not possible after Day Four.

Interesting that she ended up being the backup godfather. When reviewing Texcat’s posts, keep in mind the possibility that she may not have been scum the whole game (and thus, if she did flip from town to scum, that she almost certainly would not have known the scum’s identity before she switched alignments.

Or this clue could be false. Damn you and your mind screws, story.

[Idle_Thoughts]

@Rysto

I don’t think that she did have JB’s clue. As I said earlier, JB said that his clue, if false, could lead to a mislynch. I don’t see how that follows from your clue.

Having TOWN know that there’s a scum in the game that is unknown to the other scum definitely would make TOWN more paranoid, even if just a little bit…at least in my opinion. Stands to reason.
So I can see how him having that clue and saying “It could lead to a mislynch” is possible.

[Idle_Thoughts]

I think what makes MORE sense than “she looked at my clue” is “She got JB’s clue and didn’t count on anyone else ON TOWNS SIDE having the same clue”…so she thought she could get away with changing it.
Because if it was the first (her somehow reading MY clue), then why would she reveal it like she did? She’d know there would be the risk of me saying something.

I think it was an instance of her not thinking there was any risk of being called out as a liar/with holder of info.

[Rysto]

I prefer my version because it means that I didn’t get scum lynched through pure luck.

[Idle_Thoughts]

Anyway, it’s all moot now. She’s caught and dead.

Vote Septimus
Vote Darth Sensitive

The first for the reasons I’ve given on Days One and Two.
The second, because I like the case on him. The points made by **Daphne **here are good ones.
To add to it: Yes, he did vote for Texcat (and was fingered by Tex later in the Day yesterDay—heh “Fingered”), but he was also voting on the Pizza bandwagon, which smells to me like another possible “Scum was trying to save Texcat” ploy.
And before he (or anyone else) points out the fact that if this was the case, he would have just voted for Pizza and NOT Tex…he might have known Tex was doomed and wanted to jump on that train just in case she was lynched.
I still feel there’s a strong chance that Astral may be scum as well…but with one scum caught from that whole “Scum tried to save their own on Day One”, I’m okay with putting some of my stronger suspicions of him on the back burner for now.