Mafia: Baker Street [Game in progress]

Yes I am considering that both Inner and Mahaloth are scum. They are the two who felt scummiest to me when I voted. I voted them both before and their actions/words since have not convinced me they are not scummy.

Is your problem with me only that I am not sucking the pixels out of the thread like you and Pizza are?

I am not sure that anyone has more than 4 votes at the moment. But I am not sure what the vote count actually is, either…
I’m comfortable lynching Darth or septimus still so I will not unvote them. I might be willing to lynch Mahaloth [or even Inner] but I think they might be better choices for next Day.
I won’t vote for Pizza or Astral today. I don’t think sinjin or Idle are likely scum.

If Rysto, wevets and Scathach don’t post, I will be voting them toMorrow for sure.

I continue to think that town would be better served if people were more open with information at this point.

No, you didn’t. Feel free to show me where it is or consider this post by you to be pure bullshit, done by things that happened only in your own head.
I mean, if it happened, it will be easy to link to.

My votes on you have been because your votes are either false (see the post above—you didn’t get any “reaction in spades”) or weak (“There is a female scum in the game and Idle must be it because he’s female”).
Those are shitty or stupid reasons…more than enough to vote for someone, as they are anti-town.

Daphne:

Normally I’d ignore gibberish like this but, judging by the past, you’ll natter on and on about it until I respond. The Day 1 vote for being a woman was a joke/random vote. Here, let me explain this is in your style:
It was a joke/random vote.

You posted no less than six (6) responses to the joke/random vote, for example

If six posts is not enough to consider a “reaction in spades”, how many does it take? 13? :wink:

Hope this helps. And if you missed my response to your complaint about my joke vote: Yes, I still think there’s probably more than one female in the game. :smiley:

Vote:
Rysto
Scathach
wevets

I find it very helpful to see vote counts collected over the course of the Day, to better understand how votes were changing over time. Here’s what I’ve found. For the most part I’ve just taken vote counts that either the mod or various players posted. In a couple of critical instances I’ve manually reconstructed a vote count.

**Day 1 Post 294 (Daphne’s Claim) **
DaphneBlack - 6 votes - Askthepizzaguy (211), Astral Rejection (223), Inner Stickler (224), DiggitCamara (228), septimus (252), Johnny Bravo (291)
Silver Jan - 4 votes - Astral Rejection (190), Askthepizzaguy (211), DaphneBlack (220), Captain Klutz (240)
Astral Rejection - 3 votes - wevets (177), DaphneBlack (225), Chronos (237)
Mahaloth - 2 votes - Chronos (104), sinjin (149)
Askthepizzaguy - 2 votes - sinjin (149), Chronos (237)
Idle Thoughts - 2 votes - wevets (177), Johnny Bravo (189)
sinjin - 2 vote - Askthepizzaguy (151), dizzymrslizzy (274)
Inner Stickler - 1 vote - wevets (177)
Chronos - 1 vote - wevets (177)
septimus - 2 vote - Daphne Black (220), TexCat (258)
gnarlycharlie - 1 vote - TexCat (260)
Scathach - 1 vote - TexCat (285)
TexCat - 1 vote - Scathach (290)
DiggitCamara - 1 vote - Johnny Bravo (291)

I don’t think that there’s much to learn from this vote count. No known scum are in the remotest danger at this point. There’s a nice lynch train on Daphne and the #2 candidate is town. I mostly post it so that we can see how the votes shifted in respond to the claim.

Day 1 Post 363
Texcat - 5 votes - Scathach (290), septimus (310), Silver Jan (318), dizzymrslizzy (343), gnarlycharlie (362)
Silver Jan - 4 votes - Astral Rejection (190), Askthepizzaguy (211), Captain Klutz (240), Texcat (316)
Astral Rejection - 4 votes - wevets (177), Daphne Black (225), Chronos (237), Rysto (340)
septimus - 3 votes - DaphneBlack (220), Texcat (258), Idle Thoughts (303)
Mahaloth - 2 votes - Chronos (104), sinjin (149)
Askthepizzaguy - 2 votes - sinjin (149), Chronos (237)
sinjin - 2 votes - Askthepizzaguy (151), Dizzymrslizzy (274)
Idle Thoughts - 2 votes - wevets (177), septimus (310)
DaphneBlack - 2 votes - Askthpizzaguy (211), Inner Stickler (224)
gnarlycharlie - 2 votes - Texcat (260), Darth Sensitive (296)
scathach - 2 votes - Texcat (285), Darth Sensitive (296)
Inner Stickler - 1 vote - wevets (177)
Chronos - 1 vote - wevets (177)
dizzymrslizzy - 1 vote - Silver Jan (309)
Darth Sensitive - 1 vote - gnarlycharlie (362)
DiggitCamara - 2 votes - Johnny Bravo (291), DaphneBlack (308)

Now things get interesting. TexCat jumps into the lead. In response to a claim of Sherlock Holmes (assuming it is true, of course, which is definitely looks to be now) I would expect a sudden shift in the vote count. This would be a very dangerous time for scum to place a vote on scum, as the town is likely to be looking for a new bandwagon to jump on. I therefore give a bit of town cred to septimus and especially gnarlycharlie. Scathach’s vote came before the claim, which would have been a very safe time for a one-off vote on scum, so I count this as neutral.

Texcat chose to go after Silver Jan in post 316 instead of Astral when they were tied. A Chronos was already on Astral I count this as neutral. If Astral is town you can explain that as scum don’t want to be too obviously voting together, and the net effect is the same. If Astral is scum the motivation for a Silver Jan vote is obvious.

Day 1 Post 475
Pleonast (6) - Chronos, LightFoot, Mahaloth, Darth Sensitive, Askthepizzaguy, Astral Rejection
Astral Rejection (5) - wevets, Daphne Black, Chronos, Rysto, gnarlycharlie
Texcat (5) - Scathach, septimus, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie, Pleonast
Askthepizzaguy (4) - sinjin, Chronos, Inner Stickler, Pleonast
dizzymrslizzy (4) - Silver Jan, Septimus, [del]TexCat[/del], DaphneBlack, Astral Rejection
DiggitCamara (3) - DaphneBlack, Johnny Bravo, Askthepizzaguy
Mahaloth (3) - Chronos, sinjin, Pleonast
septimus (2) - Texcat, Idle Thoughts
Silver Jan (2) - Askthepizzaguy, Captain Klutz
Idle Thoughts (2) - wevets, septimus
sinjin (2) – Askthepizzaguy, Dizzymrslizzy
Chronos (2) - wevets, Pleonast
LightFoot (2) - Astral Rejection, Pleonast
Darth Sensitive (1) – gnarlycharlie
gnarlycharlie (1) - Darth Sensitive
Inner Stickler (1) - wevets
Johnny Bravo (1) - Lightfoot

(Note: TexCat’s vote for dizzy is striked out because it was not properly formatted and thus not official)

Pleonast roars into first. Previously I didn’t think that Chronos’ vote here was interesting, but it came after TexCat went into danger and it was his only vote. If a scum is in danger I find it less likely that scum would place a one-off on scum in that situation rather than a vote for town.

Pleo also gets on the TexCat bandwagon. Another townie point for Pleonast.

pizza’s and Astral’s votes for Pleonast here warrant close attention. These were critical votes that pushed Pleo over Texcat – I’ll try to come back to them later.

TexCat’s botched vote is mostly interesting for who she didn’t vote for: the other leading wagons in Pleo, Astral and pizza.

Day 1 Post 510
dizzymrslizzy (7) - Silver Jan, Septimus, DaphneBlack, Astral Rejection, Askthepizzaguy, Darth Sensitive, Texcat
Pleonast (5) - Chronos, LightFoot, Mahaloth, Darth Sensitive, Astral Rejection
Astral Rejection (5) - wevets, Chronos, Rysto, gnarlycharlie, septimus
Texcat (5) - Scathach, septimus, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie, Pleonast
Askthepizzaguy (5) - sinjin, Chronos, Inner Stickler, Pleonast, Darth Sensitive
Mahaloth (3) - Chronos, sinjin, Pleonast
DiggitCamara (2) - DaphneBlack, Johnny Bravo
septimus (2) - Texcat, Idle Thoughts
Idle Thoughts (2) - wevets, septimus
Chronos (2) - wevets, Pleonast
LightFoot (2) - Astral Rejection, Pleonast
Darth Sensitive (1) – gnarlycharlie
gnarlycharlie (1) - Darth Sensitive
Inner Stickler (1) - wevets
Johnny Bravo (1) - Lightfoot
Silver Jan (1) - Captain Klutz
sinjin (1) Dizzymrslizzy

The dizzymrslizzy train comes out of nowhere. Astral, pizza and Darth are all interesting here. I took a quick look, and pizza gets off of Pleo, sending him into a tie for the lead at 5, and then 15 minutes later pushes dizzymrslizzy into a tie in the official count. Note that TexCat had tried to vote for dizzymrslizzy already and got the formatting wrong, which she corrected later on. With TexCat’s vote that’s enough to push dizzymrslizzy into the lead and take Texcat/Astral/pizza out of immediate danger.

Day 1 Final
dizzymrslizzy – 8 votes - Silver Jan (309), septimus (395), DaphneBlack (449), Astral Rejection (473), Askthepizzaguy (490), Darth Sensitive (495), Texcat (506), Captain Klutz (512)
Texcat – 5 votes - Scathach (290), septimus (310), Pleonast (431), dizzymrslizzy (343), gnarlycharlie (362)
Astral Rejection – 5 votes - wevets (177), septimus (496), Chronos (237), Rysto (340), gnarlycharlie (407)
Askthepizzaguy – 5 votes - sinjin (149), Chronos (237), Inner Stickler (364), Pleonast (415), Darth Sensitive (495)
Pleonast – 4 votes - Chronos (371), Lightfoot (376), Mahaloth (384), Darth Sensitive (432)
Mahaloth – 3 votes - Chronos (104), sinjin (149), Pleonast (474)
Lightfoot – 3 votes - Astral Rejection (440), Pleonast (474), Johnny Bravo (517)
septimus – 2 votes - Texcat (258), Idle Thoughts (303)
Chronos – 2 votes - wevets (177), Pleonast (468)
DiggitCamara – 2 votes - Johnny Bravo (291), DaphneBlack (308)
Idle Thoughts (1) - septimus
Darth Sensitive (1) – gnarlycharlie
gnarlycharlie (1) - Darth Sensitive
Inner Stickler (1) - wevets
Johnny Bravo (1) - Lightfoot
Silver Jan (1) - Captain Klutz
sinjin (1) Dizzymrslizzy

A mason finishes the pile-on. Not too much to see here.

Day 3 Post 794
Texcat (6): septimus, Idle Thoughts, Mahaloth, gnarlycharlie, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive
Askthepizzaguy (4): Inner Stickler, Mahaloth, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive
gnarlycharlie (2): Askthepizzaguy, DaphneBlack
Astral Rejection (2): Idle Thoughts, gnarlycharlie
Idle Thoughts (1): septimus
septimus (1): Idle Thoughts
Pleonast (1): Mahaloth
Darth Sensitive (1): gnarlycharlie
Inner Stickler (1): sinjin

The first vote count of the Day shows that TexCat is in trouble again. More points for septimus and gnarlycharlie. I need to review Idle’s reasoning a little more closely to get a better read on him. Mahaloth and Darth are voting both ways here and don’t get any townie cred from me.

Day 3 Post 821 (Texcat’s claim)
Texcat (5): Idle Thoughts, Mahaloth, gnarlycharlie, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive
Askthepizzaguy (4): Inner Stickler, Mahaloth, Silver Jan, Darth Sensitive
Astral Rejection (4): Idle Thoughts, gnarlycharlie, DiggitCamara, Askthepizzaguy
gnarlycharlie (2): DaphneBlack, TexCat
Idle Thoughts (2): septimus, TexCat
septimus (2): Idle Thoughts, TexCat
Mahaloth (2): TexCat, Askthepizzaguy
Darth Sensitive (2): TexCat, DaphneBlack
Pleonast (1): Mahaloth
Darth Sensitive (1): gnarlycharlie
Inner Stickler (1): sinjin
Silver Jan (1): TexCat
septimus (1): DaphneBlack
wevets (1): DaphneBlack

OMGUS. That is all.

Actually, that is not all. septimus comes off the TexCat train and loses the town points he get for starting it. pizza gains no votes here despite being #2 behind a scum player. Some momentum picks up on Astral here.

Day 3 Post 842
Askthepizzaguy (5 votes) – Inner Stickler (731), Mahaloth (763), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784), Astral Rejection (828)
Texcat (5 votes) - Idle Thoughts (760), Mahaloth (763), gnarlycharlie (764), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784)
Astral Rejection (4 votes) – Idle Thoughts (754), gnarlycharlie (764), Diggitcamara (809), Askthepizzaguy (815)
Darth Sensitive (4 votes) - gnarlycharlie (764), Texcat (802), DaphneBlack (820), septimus (824)
Septimus (2 votes) – Idle Thoughts (760), DaphneBlack (820)
Mahaloth (2 votes) - Texcat (802), Askthepizzaguy (814)
Inner Stickler (1 vote) - sinjin (788)
gnarlycharlie (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (741)
Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - septimus (757)
Pleonast (1 vote) - Mahaloth (763)
Silver Jan (1 vote) - Texcat (802)
Wevets (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (820)

pizza comes into a tie with TexCat here thanks to Astral. Astral comes out against a Texcat lynch, and chooses pizza as the next closest candidate.

TexCat has yet to really post a self-defense vote against anybody. Yes, this includes Astral, but that would only cause a tie. Notably, ahe also avoids a self-defense vote against pizza.

Day 3 Post 852 (Last Vote before 11:59AM buzzer-beater)
Texcat (5 votes) - Idle Thoughts (760), Mahaloth (763), gnarlycharlie (764), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784)
Askthepizzaguy (5 votes) – Inner Stickler (731), Mahaloth (763), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784), Astral Rejection (828)
Darth Sensitive (5 votes) - gnarlycharlie (764), Texcat (802), DaphneBlack (820), septimus (824), Askthepizzaguy(843)
Astral Rejection (4 votes) – Idle Thoughts (754), gnarlycharlie (764), Diggitcamara (809), Rysto (852)
Septimus (2 votes) – Idle Thoughts (760), DaphneBlack (820)
Mahaloth (2 votes) - Texcat (802), Askthepizzaguy (814)
Inner Stickler (1 vote) - sinjin (788)
gnarlycharlie (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (741)
Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - septimus (757)
Pleonast (1 vote) - Mahaloth (763)
Silver Jan (1 vote) - Texcat (802)
Wevets (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (820)

pizza gives up on Astral and moves on to Darth. The reasoning is, and I quote “Let’s get uncomfortable then!” This is horrible reasoning for a vote at a very, very critical time. TexCat still has not voted in self-defence.

Day 3 Final
Texcat (6 votes) - Idle Thoughts (760), Mahaloth (763), gnarlycharlie (764), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784), Rysto (860)
Askthepizzaguy (6 votes) – Inner Stickler (731), Mahaloth (763), Silver Jan (775), Darth Sensitive (784), Astral Rejection (828), Texcat (867)
Darth Sensitive (5 votes) - gnarlycharlie (764), Texcat (802), DaphneBlack (820), septimus (824), Askthepizzaguy(843)
Astral Rejection (4 votes) – Idle Thoughts (754), gnarlycharlie (764), Diggitcamara (809), Rysto (852)
Septimus (2 votes) – Idle Thoughts (760), DaphneBlack (820)
Mahaloth (2 votes) - Texcat (802), Askthepizzaguy (814)
Inner Stickler (1 vote) - sinjin (788)
gnarlycharlie (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (741)
Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - septimus (757)
Pleonast (1 vote) - Mahaloth (763)
Silver Jan (1 vote) - Texcat (802)
Wevets (1 vote) - DaphneBlack (820)
Rysto (1 vote) - Texcat

TexCat finally votes in self-defence – after the deadline. Now I have to play WIFOM – did TexCat believe that her vote for pizza would count or not? As always, the only way not to lose at WIFOM is not to play, so I won’t try to consider that vote.

At this point I am going to vote pizza. TexCat’s refusal to vote for him is even more damning than her refusal to vote for Astral, and Astral and pizza both look to have an equally bad Day 1 voting record to me.
So, my todo items from this post:

  • examine pizza’s and Astral’s Pleonast votes on Day 1. They came with a bandwagon forming and TexCat in trouble, so they are very interesting votes.
  • examine Astral, pizza and Darth’s dizzy votes from Day 1. They also came at a critical time for TexCat.
  • review Idle’s history against TexCat
  • Try to post outside of +/-12 hours from DuskDawn

Vote pleonast
gnarlycharlie

These five haven’t contributed much at all today. Rysto talked some pretty early. Gnarly at least said he was busy with outside life when he popped in mid day.

But I think the other three haven’t made a peep in the last six days in here.

Unvote rysto

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@LightFoot:. Thanks for responding to my vote. You’re my weakest suspicion based largely on seeming non-participation. I’d love to see your thoughts on the vote-getters so far.

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All I wanted was an answer to “do you find them both scummy even though one is voting for the other.”

I thought my posts were pretty on-topic most of the time in this game, I didn’t realize they were pissing you off so much. I’ll try to post less, I guess.

Unofficial Vote Count:

Darth Sensitive (4 votes) - DaphneBlack [899], Idle Thoughts [920], septimus [981], Astral Rejection [1024]
AskthePizzaGuy (3 votes) - DiggitCamara [996], septimus [997], Rysto [1068]
Astral Rejection (2 votes) - AskthePizzaGuy [893], Idle Thoughts [1030]
septimus (2 votes) - DaphneBlack [899], Idle Thoughts [920]
Inner Stickler (2 votes) - Mahaloth [939], sinjin [987]
Mahaloth (2 votes) - sinjin [987], DiggitCamara [996]
Pleonast (2 votes) - septimus [981], Darth Sensitive [1069]
Idle Thoughts (2 votes) - Astral Rejection [1027], septimus [1033]
Scathach (2 votes) - DiggitCamara [1036], Darth Sensitive [1067]
wevets (2 votes) - DiggitCamara [1036], Darth Sensitive [1067]
sinjin (1 votes) - Astral Rejection [1024]
Lightfoot (1 votes) - Astral Rejection [1024]
gnarlycharlie (1 votes) - Darth Sensitive [1069]
Rysto (0 votes) - [del]Darth Sensitive [1067-1070][/del]

Not Voting:
Inner Stickler
wevets
Lightfoot
Scathach
gnarlycharly
Pleonast
Player List:

  1. Inner Stickler
  2. Astral Rejection
  3. Mahaloth
  4. Chronos - James Moriarity, a Scum Godfather - Lynched Day 2
  5. Johnny Bravo - Mary Watson, a Mason - Kileed Day 1
  6. DaphneBlack
  7. wevets
  8. Idle Thoughts
  9. DiggitCamara
  10. sinjin
  11. Silver Jan - Vanilla - chef Harry Macklemore - Killed Day 3
  12. Rysto
  13. Lightfoot
  14. Scathach
  15. TexCat - Irene Adler, a Scum Backup Godfather - Lynched Day 3
  16. dizzymrslizzy - Vanilla - Michael Westcott - Lynched Day 1
  17. Darth Sensitive
  18. Captain Klutz - Dr. John Watson, a Town Mason/Doctor - Killed Day 2
  19. gnarlycharly
  20. septimus
  21. Pleonast
  22. AskthePizzaGuy

This isn’t everything Pizza has said, but stuff that strikes me as scummy.

Day 1

Absolves responsibility for a vote as he makes it.

Hops on the **pleonast **bandwagon without reasoning. This vote tied **Pleo **with Texcat.

Follows it up by blatantly asking others to hop on the bandwagon.

Follows daphne into voting dizzy, putting this vote on her, and also unvoting, obscuring his thoughts in end of day counts.
Day 2

Vote without reasoning.

Laughs at the idea that he should provide reasoning.

Doesn’t vote chronos until after the bandwagon is moving at full steam. (Then smudges those who got on the wagon early on day 3)

Day 3

More well reasoned votes.

Tries to defend texcat. Moves his unreasoned votes to a new target and instead of making a case asks who else wants mahaloth dead.

Encourages a vote on him from texcat - one that would make her lynch less likely.

More unreasoned voting.

Encourages a texcat vote that will save her while at the same time refusing to vote her.

Makes a last ditch attempt to get texcat to vote him.

Day 4

Votes for Astral - at least artially on the basis that he said he didn’t want texcat lynched, after spending most of the last day trying to shelter texcat. On the bright side, he at least provided a vote reasoning this time.

Sucking up 5 ways at a time. And I don’t know that it’s even correct - it seems to me that most of GC’s votes have been at least a bit OMGUSy - his day 3 votes were all on people he voted on day 1 over the clue flap. The others may have hunted scum better, but I remembered gnarly’s case on me just fine so I double checked.

If you insist.
Vote askthepizzaguy

(And while building this post I saw three edits by pizza, which just rubs me the wrong way. Including his his post to Texcat reminding her that she could save herself at the end of yesterDay if she voted him - might have been worse before the edit)

Still me up there, and voted by folks who have been pulling their weight in this game, no less.

Guys, you have done well enough that you can have no shame in your game for my lynch.

Well played. Just kill Astral at some point, and you’ll make pizza proud.

**[COLOR=Red]Unvote all

Vote Askthepizzaguy**[/COLOR]

To advance the discussion to the next suspect ASAP.

This is not a threat, bluff, or scum tactic. It merely is.

I said this would be the last day I would be discussed as a suspect. You’ve failed to move on.

Move on.

I shall not be unvoting myself at any point and will refuse to vote for anyone else for the remainder of the game, thereby rendering myself useless to the town. Lynch me today and then move on.

bows courteously

Pizza Guy, I wish you wouldn’t resort to such histrionics. For one thing (I am very gullible), they lead me to think you’re innocent.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy

I strongly suspect that either you or Astral is Scum. Or both? :eek: :smack: In any event, I don’t want to see a runaway landslide on you with almost half the Players not even voting yet.

Yes, all were trying, in earnest, to get through through your skull and make you realize that was an extremely suspicious and weak type vote…and that the “joking” sense of it was a failure. I guess I should have realized sooner that you’re fond of weak voting that you try to pass off as “jokes”. : p

But I do appreciate the smilies and stuff in your attempt to keep all of this lighthearted. I tried doing that before (on previous Days) with you, but it didn’t seem like you were in the mood. :slight_smile:

**Vote ATPG
Vote Sinjin
Vote Idle Thoughts
**

Unvote all.

Vote Idle Thoughts.

Other suspicions have been posted, now I’m focusing on the one guy I most want lynched.