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In any case: congratulations on your wedding and good luck on your marriage. May all your relatives get the funny kind of drunk instead of the angry kind, and may you get to eat at least half of your own wedding dinner.
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Thanks to both you and Peeker for the confratulations. I hope we get to eat our dinner too, but on the advice of a couple of friends we are shipping a fuit basket to our hotel room just in case. 
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
But more broadly, I’d like to offer a small point. You are right; it is frequently assumed that people who do things that are egregiously scummy can’t possibly be scummy, because they’d never tip their hands that obviously. Now here’s a question: when was the last time you can remember that a person who did such a thing actually turned out to be scum?
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Ok, I know this sort of cuts my own legs out but…Cecilvania would be my memory. 
(Not really the same thing I know, but still…)
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
Ok, I know this sort of cuts my own legs out but…Cecilvania would be my memory.
(Not really the same thing I know, but still…)
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Heh. But joking aside, it’s not the same thing at all. My slip in that game was a slip, but it wasn’t an action that was construed as incredibly scummy.
Actually, though, I’ve just thought of one example of a so-scummy-it-can’t-be-scummy play that turned out to actually be scummy (zuma in Batman), so consider my point withdrawn anyway.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Heh. But joking aside, it’s not the same thing at all. My slip in that game was a slip, but it wasn’t an action that was construed as incredibly scummy.
Actually, though, I’ve just thought of one example of a so-scummy-it-can’t-be-scummy play that turned out to actually be scummy (zuma in Batman), so consider my point withdrawn anyway.
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Zuma’s claim amused me, because I remember a cartoon episode where Alfred pretended to be Batman to ensure Bruce’s secret idenity. Or maybe it was a movie.
I think where we are differing is on the benefit side of Zsofia’s cost benefit equation. I think keeping Naf alive was a significant benefit to her, and worth the added risk. We might have played it differently, but it is a logical play. This goes doubly if Nanook was being honest about it requiring 2 living cabal’s for them to use their secret power, and Naf and Zsofia are the last two left.
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop]
Zuma’s claim amused me, because I remember a cartoon episode where Alfred pretended to be Batman to ensure Bruce’s secret idenity. Or maybe it was a movie.
I think where we are differing is on the benefit side of Zsofia’s cost benefit equation. I think keeping Naf alive was a significant benefit to her, and worth the added risk. We might have played it differently, but it is a logical play. This goes doubly if Nanook was being honest about it requiring 2 living cabal’s for them to use their secret power, and Naf and Zsofia are the last two left.
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OK, I still don’t see how that benefit outweighs the cost. Again you are not reading the possibilities with an open mind, your are forcing what you have already decided is true into the current situation, even though it doesn’t really fit.
We can agree to disagree I suppose.
I am really not the worst lynch and I guess we have to lynch me eventually. I would kind of like to make it to my first endgame ever, but I guess that will have to wait for Story’s Evil Dead game (or whatever the next game is.)
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
Thanks to both you and Peeker for the confratulations. I hope we get to eat our dinner too, but on the advice of a couple of friends we are shipping a fuit basket to our hotel room just in case.
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Definitely - I hope you enjoyed that “trying out the caterer” sampling, because you won’t get it at the wedding! Have fun and don’t sweat the small stuff.
I just don’t see how it would help either NAF or me to get us both killed if we were on the same side.
At this point, I think we can divide the living players up into three groups. Confirmed Town, Known Werewolf and the Unknown. It should come as no surprise that I want to lynch one of the Unknown.
The Unknown are :-DarkCookies
NAF1138
Omi no Kami
peekercpa
ZsofiaThese five, plus Pollux Oil, must contain all the remaining unidentified non-Town players; however those six are probably not all scum.
It is in the interest of all the scum groups to eat people who are confirmed Town at this stage, to maximise the other player’s fear and uncertainty. Hence I wouldn’t be surprised to find that I was targeted last Night; the Wolves and / or Vampire must be playing head games with any remaining protectors; if I were a scum picking a target knowing a protector was on the loose (as per Omi’s claim, say) Storyteller would be low on my list because of the risk he’d be protected. I might well argue against killing Koldanar too, certainly Today.
So who to vote for?
DarkCookies : In post [post=10081022]2267[/post] she claims to have been blocked. Koldanar also claims to have been blocked (post [post=10081888]2309[/post]). If the Cabal’s regular block is the only explanation, then one of those two is lying. Since Koldanar is on my Known Town list, I trust he is not lying. Thus, if there was only one block available DarkCookies has lied; in which case she does not have a Vigilante role, and is non-Town.
That does not preclude the possibility of a mass block power. I think DarkCookies is right in [post=10081434]2290[/post] though, where she speculates on the results of a hypothetical mass block on players with roles such as Magician or Scotsman. The thing is, no-one has stepped forward to claim they did such a thing. Of course, if that was the Cabal secret power, then they wouldn’t would they?
NAF : His jumping to conclusions about PO. He tried to push the idea that PO was a Wolf, because back on Day 1 he’d been defended by no less than two players who have been ID’d (one by reveal, the other almost certainly) as Wolves. Tying yourself to not one, but two other members of your faction when (for it to be true) there would have to be no less than seven of you at the time, seems to be a bit unlikely. The group most likely to want to kill Werewolves, at this stage of the game, is the Cabal.
Omi : Zsofia summed it up for me in post [post=10081514]2297[/post]. It really does seem weak; to turn a Scotsman into a regular Doctor who loses his power if he is ever lynched to test his claim?
peeker : The one thing I currently have against him is that he refuses, in the face of my assurances, to let go of the idea that Storyteller might be a non-Townsman. Consider post [post=10082648]2323[/post]. For this to be true, now, requires that one of the scum groups have a secret power that spoofs investigations, and that Storyteller used it on Night 1. I was willing to entertain doubt on Storyteller’s faction until Drain Bead was outed. Not any more.
Peeker also suggested Drain Bead commit suicide by Mod (post [post=10086892]2342[/post], which would intentionally screw over one and only one faction; that of the Town. That makes it a clearly anti-Town action.
Zsofia : her end of Day action looks to me to be a scramble motivated by a desire for self-preservation. A Scotswoman doesn’t need to worry about self-preservation; she’d survive the noose. Looking back at the last 30 minutes of Yesterday, I can’t be sure whether she had seen post 2196 when she unvoted; the evidence is equivocal. However, I’m quite sure she saw Storyteller’s post after her unvote and before her vote for PO. She still put the vote in, nullifying anything the two of us might do, and forcing us to accept a lynch of PO even though I was not in favour of that.
At this moment it seems to me that Zsofia and DarkCookies are the two leading candidates, with NAF third and the others well below the lynch line. I could (reluctantly) accept a lynch of Omi because we’d get instant feedback on the claim’s basic truth.
Vote Zsofia.
If you are a Scotswoman, you’ll move into the Confirmed Townies pool. If you’re a non-Town you’ll die. Win-Win.
Oh Zsofia, if you happen to be a Wolf, let us know. I’d rather not lynch Wolves Today. 
[QUOTE=MHaye]
It is in the interest of all the scum groups to eat people who are confirmed Town at this stage, to maximise the other player’s fear and uncertainty. Hence I wouldn’t be surprised to find that I was targeted last Night; the Wolves and / or Vampire must be playing head games with any remaining protectors; if I were a scum picking a target knowing a protector was on the loose (as per Omi’s claim, say) Storyteller would be low on my list because of the risk he’d be protected. I might well argue against killing Koldanar too, certainly Today.
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But scum wouldn’t have known there was a protective power unless they’d guessed it on their own - Omi didn’t reveal it until this morning.
Actually, I was refreshing right at the end of the Day yesterDay but didn’t realize it had gone onto another page (so I was just refreshing the last posts that I had seen and thinking nobody was posting.)
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
I am really not the worst lynch and I guess we have to lynch me eventually. I would kind of like to make it to my first endgame ever, but I guess that will have to wait for Story’s Evil Dead game (or whatever the next game is.)
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I’m going to have to step down the list a bit over here, and table the Evil Dead game for a little while. I’ve devoted most of my dev time to the game Kat and I are designing for the off-site board, which will be next up over there (and which, I say humbly, is going to be damn well awesome). There’s just no way I can moderate two at a time.
But everyone should sign up for Kat and my game off-site, in three hundred and twelve years when the Gastard game wraps up.
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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
[oog]
But everyone should sign up for Kat and my game off-site, in three hundred and twelve years when the Gastard game wraps up.
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Can I be considered as pre signed up? You are two of my favorite mods, I am not missing this one.
And, hot damn that game is going slow. Part of it is our fault as mods for not moving things along as quickly as we could but…damn.
[QUOTE=Zsofia]
But scum wouldn’t have known there was a protective power unless they’d guessed it on their own - Omi didn’t reveal it until this morning.
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You make a good point.
I do note, however, that Omi claimed last Night that he had to choose between using his secret power and protecting himself, so a reasonable extrapolation might be that he was extending his protection to others.
You unvoted and revoted in two posts very close to the bottom of a page, but I fail to see how that is relevant. My problem with you is that you could have known about the attitudes of Storyteller and myself, but still chose to switch wagons and actively prevent us from lynching you. That looks to me like nothing more than self-preservation. I view that sort of activity as more likely to be scum if you don’t acknowledge the motive.
I wasn’t expecting the two of you to lynch me at all. Wouldn’t that be just as last-minute-vote-switchy as what I did? Even more so, because I just changed a tie and the two of you would be selecting a victim at the eleventh hour? I didn’t think you guys would do that and so wasn’t worried about it at all.
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
I hope we get to eat our dinner too, but on the advice of a couple of friends we are shipping a fuit basket to our hotel room just in case.
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Most sensible thing that I have read in this thread in a while.
And story you are saying exactly what I was saying about DB. I think we got undealdy lucky with PO. If we lynch a wolf and DB pulls a Mosada Houdini that’s all folks.
vote Zsofia
It was between NAF and Zsofia, but in the end I figure we have more to gain by a Zsofia lynch than a NAF one. I may change my mind, however, as NAF seems inherently more scummy, but Zsofia seems like the safer move.
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
vote Zsofia
It was between NAF and Zsofia, but in the end I figure we have more to gain by a Zsofia lynch than a NAF one. I may change my mind, however, as NAF seems inherently more scummy, but Zsofia seems like the safer move.
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You know you were all over how inherantly scummy I was in Mafia: Recruitment too. Maybe I just give off scum vibes?
I need to sit down and talk to someone at some point so I can figure out what it is about my posting style that screams scum to everyone.
Oh wait, your the wolf. Sorry, forgot about that. :smack:
My point about my scummy vibes still stands.
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
vote Zsofia
It was between NAF and Zsofia, but in the end I figure we have more to gain by a Zsofia lynch than a NAF one. I may change my mind, however, as NAF seems inherently more scummy, but Zsofia seems like the safer move.
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You know, DB, old bean…
You are yours have just as much to gain if we can catch Cabal as we do. The Wolf chance of winning, and the Town chance of winning, both improve considerably if even one Caballero is lynched. I’m not saying we’re going to believe you, but you’re hanging out there and you have information that might help catch a Caballero. If you do, and you share it and it works out, everybody gains (well, everybody except the Cabal, but I don’t see why you’d help those bastards out).
Maybe she’d rather have Cabal win than Town.
Well the fact that DB voted gives me hope. Your pelt will go on an honored place on the wall as opposed to being relegated to a spot over the pool table in the den.
And I agree, kind of that Z last minute vote yah hooing is more towm than scum but that could also be WIFOM. In which case the tsar is still my best choice.
All right boys and girls let’s strap it on and take it home.
Lynch Tsar, I come back confirmed at dusk and then Naf gets to do his version of Saddam for his wedding dance. cook goes next followed by DB and the book is written.
[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Well the fact that DB voted gives me hope. Your pelt will go on an honored place on the wall as opposed to being relegated to a spot over the pool table in the den.
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Brains :mad:
Only CIAS
Brains :mad:
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
You know, DB, old bean…
You are yours have just as much to gain if we can catch Cabal as we do. The Wolf chance of winning, and the Town chance of winning, both improve considerably if even one Caballero is lynched. I’m not saying we’re going to believe you, but you’re hanging out there and you have information that might help catch a Caballero. If you do, and you share it and it works out, everybody gains (well, everybody except the Cabal, but I don’t see why you’d help those bastards out).
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What makes you think that zsofia isn’t Cabal?