K. So anyone but DB toDay, right? I’ll be back in a bit.
Well we agree except for the Zonk dealy. And of all of them that is where I am least sure. Do we go for a more certain type lynch or one of those two, is about the only question? While we still have numbers I’d suggest that we resolve that situation. I’ve got my vote on Wilbur and there it shall stay unless someone comes up with something more compelling.
And I just have to wonder what it is like to be DB. Tied to the fence and howling at the moon wondering when the man is coming out with the crucifix and a big ol’ fucking gun with silver bullets. You’d really help the situation if you didn’t vote today. 
Uh, are you crazy, or are you just talking crazy? If DB dies we have no insurance against the Cabal.
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And just so we are clear I was not gritching about who he protected. In 167 (?) his post says he is a Doc. He then claims to be Scot and reveals a super duper double secret town power that makes him a Doc. Cripes that is just very convoluted. Sybil is something alright. Just not buying the parsimonious Caduceus weilding sort (spelling on that is probably all hosed). I mean not all figures lie but all liars figure. I think he figured himself into my dog house.
I can definitely understand the suspicion, but for my part, I’m gonna
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Vote Zsofia**
Because I think she’s lying about being a scotsman, and because her quick footwork to lynch Pollux yesterday was somewhat underhanded.
I’m going to vote Omi no Kami
I’m not buying your claim at all. According to your claim, you’re effectively not a Scotsman at all really. I would have bought a claim that you could protect someone else in addition to being a Scotsman, until your one ‘life’ had been used up. Now THAT would have been a kickass town super power. Your being able to either just be a Scotsman or throw the power on to a chosen townie, well I don’t buy it.
The no kill last night gives us a little wiggle room. I do believe that Sybil is some flavor of scum. If he is scot then he continues to live and we can go after The Last Letter of the Alphabet manana.
And you are right, my bad DB can really hose town by not voting. Kind of petulant and not in keeping with the spirit of the game but certainly a strategy.
And this is where I get mas thankful for the Pleo’s of the world but also a little jaded. You need to give every side a reasonable chance of winning. 25/25/25/25. But what happens when/if a faction says "fuck it, any side but _________ fill in the blank. Seriously, if scum are thinking along the lines of “any side but town” it’s effectively 75/25 which does not seem fair.
What is the purpose of our participation in this little escapade. Derive information that allows us to supposedly make an informed decision on which of our fellow players we should kill or protect. Now I know what it must have felt like in post WW1 Russia.
From now on Sybil is renamed Tsar Nicholas.
We agree that a claimed Scot is lying, so at least there is some common ground. I’m much more suspicious of Zsofia though. Her actions at the end of yesterday looked like a direct attempt to keep Naf alive. I would wager that they are teammates, most likely cabal. The fact that Cookies attack was blocked yesterday, and she was supposedly targeting Naf, is another strong point towards Naf being Cabal. Naf said their were alternate explanations, but hasn’t offered any up yet.
vote Naf
Maybe we can combine the wedding and lynching into one grand ceremony.
Honestly, my end of day actions were a panicked effort to prevent a no-lynch. I know now that storyteller was ready and waiting, but at the time it seemed like he might not be. The games I’ve played before always had ties end in random lynch, so I’d forgotten the “tie = no-lynch” rule until Pleonast reminded us and then I probably did a dumb thing. Personally, I felt both lynch candidates were strong ones, but the only thing I could do as a tiebreaker, since I already had my vote on NAF*, was to change it. I wanted to lynch NAF.
Works for me. I will probably miss most of the next Day anyway (I will be gone from Thursday evening until sometime on Tuesday).
Alternate explinations. Cookies is cabal and can’t kill so she blocked koldanar, wolves targeted Mhaye who was protected and Pollux was the last vamp rather than a wolf like I thought. This would be the most logical explination. Do you really need me to do your thinking for you Hawk?
Me being Cabal and blocking cookies but then Koldanar also being blocked doesn’t make any sense. A mass block is a protown power. When it looked like that was what happened I was expecting Omi to claim that as the secret power, but when he didn’t I figured that it isn’t what happened.
I don’t know about Omi vs. Zsofia. I wouldn’t be opposed to lynching either of them and something seems wrong with Omi’s claim. On the other hand Zsofia has been pinging my scumdar, but frankly her last minute vote switch strikes me as more town than not. Historically that shit is usually pulled by townies who then get lynched for it. It is the only real point in her favor though. I am not totally sure what to do with that. On the third hand I am almost positive Cookies is lying so…
I will think about which of the three I want to vote for for a little bit. I am not totally concerned, like I said yesterDay, I think town has this locked up.
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I don’t think town is even close to locking this thing up. I truly believe that ol’ PO is going to come back with some rather large insciors. If DB takes the chicken shit approach of not voting then I do believe that a wolfie lynch today seals it for the cabal. Right now it’s a three way horse race but I think Tsar Nicholas’s claim smells more cabally than wolfie. And if he is a scot then that tells a bunch about The Last Letter of the Alphabet.
Oh, and I do not believe that I have adequately addressed the most important issue that is at hand. Good luck to you and the future Mrs. NAF. Live long and prosper.
That’s “the most logical explanation?” Really? The wolves targeted a powerless Witch, who can’t hurt them at all, rather than taking out the Seer, who if the Cabal happens to vanish can expose them or confirm enough Townies to expose them? Cookies is Cabal, with no ability to affect killing in any way, but she chose Vigilante as her false claim?
These things are possible, but I don’t view them as the most logical explanation.
First: a mass block is not inherently a “protown power.” This has come up in previous games, and it has never been true before and it is certainly not true now. A mass block is most often a protown power, but considering it so in every situation is dogma and it’s going to get some Town into trouble one of these games.
First of all, because everyone in previous games has been so quick to leap on the “mass block = proTown power,” I can totally see throwing such a power to the scum just to give them an ability that will earn them credit. Now, the power is obviously useless to the Wolves or to the Undead in this game.
But a mass block helps the Cabal same as the Town. The Cabal can’t kill at Night. At this stage of the game, most of the things that can happen at Night are bad for them. They don’t want Townies dying right now, they want Wolves and Vampires dying, and both of those things are unlikely to happen at Night. They don’t want a Seer reading, either. If the Seer finds one of them, that sucks for them. If the Seer finds a Wolf or a Vamp, then we’re likely to keep that Wolf or Vamp in our back pocket and keep hunting Cabal. All bad for the Cabal.
Honestly, though, it doesn’t matter what happened last Night. There are enough possibilities that we need to focus on who’s acting scummy and who’s not. A bit of reasoned reflection suggests that Zsofia’s late Day act yesterDay was less likely to be scummy than not: putting herself on the line like that would have been incredibly dangerous. I am thus inclined to disbelieve Omi No Kami.
I also think NAF is very scummy. I will try to create decent cases underlying both fo these suspicions later toDay.
If there are any Wolves alive other than Drain then this would be a very foolish move on her part. As long as she has another Wolfy friend, the two of them stand a chance of winning outright. If we do lynch a Wolf, I don’t think it’s out of the question that she could throw herself on the modkills sword just to screw over the Town, but she won’t do it before then, I don’t think.
Maybe it is only logical from my standpoint since I know my role. I think a mass block is unlikely honestly, but I will admit the possibility that Cabal has a chance to mass block. The only way that makes sense to me is if Omi is cabal and was afraid I would target him with the redirect last Night.
Let’s test this theory.
Vote Omi
Worst case you are a scottsman.
Story, other than mass block or my explination, what do you think is a likely theory?
Oh and BTW I would like Cookies to target me again toNight and I will redirect to whoever the town wants me to. Personally I think I should redirect back to Cookies since I think if she can kill she isn’t a vig, but I don’t think she can kill.
NETA:
You keep saying that, but then you don’t ever build a case. That isn’t really fair to me, especially when you know that your opinion sways the town fairly easily.
I do so dislike this logic. Zsofia did something really scummy, therefore she can’t be scum? Should town members act really scummy to confirm their townliness? Scum do scummy things, sometimes obviously. To me it looks like Zsofia and Naf are teammates. Zsofia probably voted for NAF originally to allow seperation between the two. When she discovered her vote could be decisive she switched over. She is still saying that Naf is scummy, but she is not going after him at all today.
I have done stupid things right before a deadline many times. This one looked deliberate.
Yes because saving me for a Night while throwing us both under the bus is the smart play for scum. That makes more sense then her gaining townie cred while I die and another member of our team still lives? You are seeing what you want to see hawk. If you weren’t a confirmed mason I would be voting for you right now for your stubborn confirmation bias.
As we have seen time and again in these games, under the bus is one of the safest places to be. There isn’t risk in doing something overtly scummy, because people never think that person is scum.
No. Zsofia did something that, in this instance, I think is more likely to reflect Townieness than Scumminess. Taking into account everything about the situation, including Zsofia’s specific words and actions, I conclude - after much reflection - that in this particular instance, a scummy Zsofia had much to lose, and little to gain, by her actions at the end of yesterDay. This isn’t a free pass for future scum, nor is intended to be a broad statement about all end-of-day hijinks. But in this case, I’m inclined to view what she did as more likely Town than Scum.
You disagree, which is fair; my first instinct was to string her up as fast as we could find rope this morning. My first instinct might have been right and you might be right now, but that’s why we talk about these things.
NAF, I am sorry about that, but my time has been limited, too, lately, and the ability to develop a coherent case has been sacrificed. But I’m going to contribute what I can contribute, even if that’s just a description of my gut reactions.
In any case: congratulations on your wedding and good luck on your marriage. May all your relatives get the funny kind of drunk instead of the angry kind, and may you get to eat at least half of your own wedding dinner.
This is sort of a side discussion, but: I get where you’re coming from, I do. And I should emphasize that in my particular case, my opinion on Zsofia isn’t that her action seemed “too scummy to be scummy;” it’s that it seemed to carry excessive risk for little benefit if she is scum.
But more broadly, I’d like to offer a small point. You are right; it is frequently assumed that people who do things that are egregiously scummy can’t possibly be scummy, because they’d never tip their hands that obviously. Now here’s a question: when was the last time you can remember that a person who did such a thing actually turned out to be scum?