Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! [Game Over]

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
I agree it’s quiet in here and we could use more discussion, but not all discussions are necessarily good.
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Then start some discussion. Don’t wait for others andd then jump on them.

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
This was my initial thought after reading Cat’s post: “He’s softening the ground for when he doesn’t come up with a killer.” Of course, I had this thought because I remain very skeptical of Cat’s claim, and I think the odds of him actually being the Detective are lower than his being Scum. So, I tend to look at his posts with a “why would Scum post this?” mindset.

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A mistake of course. Not just getting my faction wrong, but if you don’t weigh up both sides, “he might be scum/town”, then you are going to hurt the town.

Assuming you are town of course.

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
This is the “softening of the ground” thing I mentioned above. “Don’t forget, everyone, I might not get a result!!” As if we’re all not fully aware of that by now? Please.
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Perhaps you would like to comment on my thoughts above about why **Squid ** has claimed the way he has.

As for mentioning I might not get a result back at Dusk, I have three people who seem to think otherwise.

Post #1456:

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
Hopefully, CatInASuit can come through with the identity of Roosh’s killer tonight
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Post #1508

[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
If Dio is telling the truth, and CIAS is the detective, he should be able to give us the identity of Roosh’s killer toNight.
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Post #1512

[QUOTE=Pollux Oil]
If this is true, then we basically have a shooting gallery lined up: Diomedes today, the hairy killer of Roosh tomorrow, and Nanook on Day 5 (if Dio comes up anything other than wolf).

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Actually, ShadowFacts, comparing one of your previous posts, where you hope I can identify the killer with your post above saying you look at posts as being scummy. Which one am I?

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[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

An altruistic Warlock sacrificing himself to expose Nanook is plausible too, I suppose, but why be so quiet and matter of fact about it? I can’t help but think that if it were I in The Squid’s position, and I truly was a Warlock who could peg Nanook as a lying scum, I would be railing and fighting tooth and nail against Nanook, trying to prompt some further discussion, both from Nanook and perhaps some of his scummy friends. There would still be plenty of time to get lynched as a scum-finding martyr later in the Day, and there just might be a slip catalyzed that would end up sending someone else to the noose.
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See, an altruistic Warlock would really be hoping for the real Witches to out themselves. Funny thing is, Nanook lied, and they haven’t spoken up about it. My claim enabled them not to.

Just remember to follow Cat’s reveal (he’ll have one) at the end of the day, and not whatever Nookie comes back with tomorrow.

1564

[QUOTE=MHaye]
I think it’s still plausible that Boozahol is Town. Specifically, that he is a Warlock, and is fake-claiming Vampire to ensure he gets lynched.

When you think about it, the Warlock role isn’t going to do much to deflect a lynch. It’s one of those roles that’s hard to confirm unless you pick the right victim to enchant. If BS PI is a Warlock, maybe he thinks that the best thing he can do is to sacrifice himself to out the liar asap.

If you are right and he changed claims to avoid his teammates having to discuss the fake claim while knowing what he is, it’s far more likely that he’s Werewolf than Cabal, because the Cabal can talk among themselves in the Day as well as the Night; Wolves can only talk at Night.
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MHaye how would it be in the town’s best interest that a Warlock not fight off against a false read by a scum?

What liar are you talking about? No one else has claimed his role and as has already been observed there could be multiples of any given role anyways

But I do see your last point and somewhat disagree with story to an extent, because it is WIFOM. If he was cabal and got a message from a buddy suggesting caution then I would think that they would hatch up something to create distance between them. If a wolf he may very well have thought independently that this was a can of worms he didn’t want opened. And if an undead I would really be perplexed as to his particular strategy.

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[QUOTE=Boozahol Squid, P.I.]
Just remember to follow Cat’s reveal (he’ll have one) at the end of the day, and not whatever Nookie comes back with tomorrow.
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I hate to agree with the condemned but I think this is at least true. Until Nanook is verified one way or another we need to ignore the witches’ investigations. I think that if Cat gets another vampire investigation we need to talk seriously about stringing him up or if it’s a wolfie we string them up to verify his claim, either way we should follow what Cat’s discovery is.

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[QUOTE=Boozahol Squid, P.I.]
See, an altruistic Warlock would really be hoping for the real Witches to out themselves. Funny thing is, Nanook lied, and they haven’t spoken up about it. My claim enabled them not to.
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Actually an altruistic Warlock would have fought tooth and nail hoping that the real witches would not have to out themselves to counter Nanook. Or they might have decided that coming out to save a Warlock at the expense of outing one of them and catching a scum was a good trade off. You have kind of eliminated any options that the witches could have had.

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
And if an undead I would really be perplexed as to his particular strategy.
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That’s somewhat obvious as well, isn’t it?

If pede was my Vampire buddy (Occam’s Razor would imply he was, if my story is true), then the only chance my side has of winning is for the Town to start cutting down the wolves. I still need the wolves around to hopefully knock off a pair of the Witches (Witch investigations will eventually catch the Necro), but the undead, without active Vampires, require the Town to do their dirty work of offing the Cabal and Wolves, and pray for a mad-bomber Necro to pull through.

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[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
If **Dio ** is telling the truth, and **CIAS ** is the detective, he should be able to give us the identity of **Roosh’s ** killer toNight.
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Why would you assume this? If the Vamp killed RoOsh as a solo or just happened to be last on a pile up CIAS is still going to get a no read.

Not defending CIAS but a no read is not a conviction just another raised eye brow.

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Why would you assume this? If the Vamp killed RoOsh as a solo or just happened to be last on a pile up CIAS is still going to get a no read.

Not defending CIAS but a no read is not a conviction just another raised eye brow.
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Vampires should almost always kill before the wolves. There’s no discussion to be had for them. It could be the Wolves were blocked, and a Vamp made the kill, but it’s much more likely that the lone kill made was that of a Wolf.

Remember, Vamp kills can be blocked many more ways than Wolf kills. A wolf kill can only be blocked by the Witches. A Vamp kill can be blocked by attacking another Vamp or the Vicar.

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[QUOTE=Boozahol Squid, P.I.]
Vampires should almost always kill before the wolves.
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That is to say, they should get their kill results in first. So the kill would actually be made by the wolves, in the case of a double-up

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[QUOTE=CatInASuit]

Actually, ShadowFacts, comparing one of your previous posts, where you hope I can identify the killer with your post above saying you look at posts as being scummy. Which one am I?
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Well, if I had said that, what I would have meant is, “Let’s hope you come up with a real verifiable read so we can have some information on you and judge you instead of this “no result” crap.”

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Why would you assume this? If the Vamp killed RoOsh as a solo or just happened to be last on a pile up CIAS is still going to get a no read.

Not defending CIAS but a no read is not a conviction just another raised eye brow.
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It’s a simple IF,THEN statement, not an assumption.

IF Boozy is telling the truth,
IF CIAS is the Detective,
THEN CIAS will get a Wolf reading for Roosh’s killer.

It wasn’t an assumption, it was analysis.

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[QUOTE=CatInASuit]

As for mentioning I might not get a result back at Dusk, I have three people who seem to think otherwise.

Post #1456:

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
Hopefully, CatInASuit can come through with the identity of Roosh’s killer tonight
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Actually, ShadowFacts, comparing one of your previous posts, where you hope I can identify the killer with your post above saying you look at posts as being scummy. Which one am I?
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First, my quote does not support your first point. (I’m only going to talk about my quote, since it’s me). By hoping that you come up with the killer, it is clear that there is a chance you will not do so. If I thought it was 100%, I would have said something like “When Cat reveals the identity of Roosh’s killer…” So I think you misunderstood me there.

I think your misunderstanding is causing you to try to catch me in a false dichotomy on the second point. I may think you are more likely to be scum, but I hope I’m wrong and you’ll get a result that we can test.

I notice that you skipped the main point of my post that you quoted (#1557). Must have been an oversight.

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[QUOTE=Boozahol Squid, P.I.]
Vampires should almost always kill before the wolves. There’s no discussion to be had for them. It could be the Wolves were blocked, and a Vamp made the kill, but it’s much more likely that the lone kill made was that of a Wolf.

Remember, Vamp kills can be blocked many more ways than Wolf kills. A wolf kill can only be blocked by the Witches. A Vamp kill can be blocked by attacking another Vamp or the Vicar.

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That is to say, they should get their kill results in first. So the kill would actually be made by the wolves, in the case of a double-up.

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I’d like to point out two things. First, the Cabal could block a wolf kill, not just the Witches. And the Cabal could also block a Vampire kill. (Look, Ma! I actually retained something from the rules that I just had to re-read for the 100th time!)

Second, your whole assumption that kill orders are going to be submitted by certain factions sooner than others based on whether or not they can discuss amongst themselves is weak at best. There are so many other potential variables at play when it comes to when actions/kills are submitted, I don’t even know where to start.

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[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
It’s a simple IF,THEN statement, not an assumption.

IF Boozy is telling the truth,
IF CIAS is the Detective,
THEN CIAS will get a Wolf reading for Roosh’s killer.

It wasn’t an assumption, it was analysis.
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Not if the vamp is the last killer. Poor poor analysis.

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Not if the vamp is the last killer. Poor poor analysis.
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Perhaps I should clarify: IF Boozy is telling the truth, and Pedescribe was a Vamp as he hypothesised…yada yada yada.

It’s not that big a deal really. Either he is, or he isn’t and we will be finding out soon enough.

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]

So why abandon the effort, so quickly?
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Now, as I see it there are three possibilities: Boozy is a Wolf, Boozy is really a Vamp, or Boozy is Cabal.
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The only other possibility is that he is a Town player with a reason to die. Given the high likelihood that he sees the situation better than I do based on the information he has - including possible secret powers or discoveries - I’m inclined to take an easy lynch – win/win regardless of scum or suicidal Town – when we get it.

unvote ShadowFacts
vote Boozahol

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Not if the vamp is the last killer. Poor poor analysis.
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Well, if CiAS tells us toDay he got a “Vampire” reading, I’ll definitely be voting for him.

I mean, what are the odds that he chooses the Vampire kill two Days in a row? Especially if one current presumed Vampire supposedly forgot to submit his kill toNight?
And said presumed Vampire tells us he suspects another presumed Vampire was lynched yesterDay?

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
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MHaye how would it be in the town’s best interest that a Warlock not fight off against a false read by a scum?

What liar are you talking about?
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Nanook has claimed BS PI is a Werewolf. If BS PI is a Warlock - or any role at all except for Alpha Wolf or Werewolf - Nanook is a liar.

I’m suggesting that w Warlock, believing that he has little or no chance of escaping lynch by claiming Warlock, might decide to allow himself to be executed to expose the lie.

The benefits of fighting to clear yourself depend on your role. The Warlock seems to be one of those roles that wouldn’t deflect a lynch because they are not easily confirmable. (I tried claiming Warlock in the first game after being accused. Didin’t work.)

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[QUOTE=DiggitCamara]
Well, if CiAS tells us toDay he got a “Vampire” reading, I’ll definitely be voting for him.

I mean, what are the odds that he chooses the Vampire kill two Days in a row? Especially if one current presumed Vampire supposedly forgot to submit his kill toNight?
And said presumed Vampire tells us he suspects another presumed Vampire was lynched yesterDay?
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So in other words you believe **Squid’s ** claim.

And based on that claim you are going to vote for me tomorrow if I don’t return a Wolf.

Even though we don’t get presumed Vampire **Squid’s ** faction until Dusk so you cannot say whether he was lying or not. :dubious:

What are the odds that I return Vampire two Days in a row. Depends on whether the Wolves decided to Night Kill or stack the deck against me.

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
I notice that you skipped the main point of my post that you quoted (#1557). Must have been an oversight.
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Oh, you mean preparing the ground to decide what claim to make.

I will be returning the truth about Roosh’s killer whatever that may be.

What I am expecting to do is spend Day 4 defending myself. My analysis of the situation says the likely outcome of toDay’s investigation is that Roosh was killed by a Vampire. Accurate? well I will find out toNight.

What I want is to find out how people are acting BEFORE the results are returned. I think several people have perfect knowledge and I am hoping they will slip up. A bit like **storytellers ** idea about Squid, only I get a solid answer at the end which will clarify the situation in a few hours time, rather than have to wait until Dusk on Day 4, where we can then speculate given **Squid’s ** faction.

As for you ShadowFacts: In your second post, you said that you always consider everything I say as *“Why would a Scum post this?”. * But your previous post is “Hopefully, CatInASuit can come through with the identity of Roosh’s killer tonight”.

If you consider me Scum, and everything I say as being scummy, why would you be expecting an investigation result from me? Or are you just hoping that I might be the Detective?