That went faster than I anticipated.
Most of the action since the fall of Night 2 has centred around the two claims of Detective type rolesThat makes three. players known or claiming to be a Detective. I could see Town getting three detectives working in different ways and each of which gets different information. That doesn’t mean that I believe all three (yet); I’m maintaining a healthy scepticism on both the claimed detectives, looking for ways we can test their claims and inconsistency between the results.
NAF’s claim.
NAF either has the powers he claims, or doesn’t. If he doesn’t, given the way he’s approached it he’d be a deadite. Suppose (for the purpose of this argument) that he does not have the powers. Then he’s not Town, because he’s lying, and even if you think that’s reasonable for a Townsperson NAF could horribly mislead us. If he’s PFK then every time he “tests” a statement saying “I am town aligned” or similar, he risks calling a Townsperson a nonTown. The likely followup to such an accusation is the death of the accused, and he immediately stands exposed as a liar, gets lynched and loses. No, if he is false claiming the powers, he pretty much has to be a deadite.
If NAF has the powers he claims, he’s on a lot safer ground, whatever his alignment. He really is testing one statement per Night, and really gets some results back. By cherry-picking the statement he tests, he can pursue his own agenda.[ol][li]A townie NAF wants to build a Masonry, or failing that find liars to get lynched.[/li][li]A deadite NAF probably wants to build a pool of players he says is Town, and most of whom would be; however, he’d also be aiming to conceal a bad apple in the bunch. For an example of this sort of scum play (from another direction) see Pedescribe’s game and particularly the hunt for the recruited player.[/li][li]A PFK NAF would be using these powers to pursue his win condition. We could speculate endlessly and fruitlessly on what that wincon is. (A variant on Hal’s Riddler wincon where he has to correctly list all the players and alignments to win; possibly with a deadline of so many Days or so many living players, might work.) However, it’s still a poor fit for a PFK to claim in this way, especially when NAF was under no real pressure when he claimed.[/ol]If you ask me whether NAF does have the claimed powers I’d say yes; the gambit makes little sense if he doesn’t. That’s supported by the quoted PM, which has the Storyteller feel.[/li]
If you ask what his alignment is, I’d say he’s more likely to be Town than deadite, and much more likely to be deadite than PFK.
Chucara’s reactions to NAF’s claim.
Chucara seems (from where I sit) to have done his best to obfuscate his alignment by providing so many statements that can be tested. His behaviour in (for example) claiming both Alpha Redshirt and Beta Redshirt is a prime example – if NAF picks (say) the latter statement and gets a “false,” then Chucara can simply claim to be the other, and discerning the truth of that will take another investigation, thus wasting time. This gives the appearance of wanting to appear helpful while actually trying to dodge a bullet.
Surely, the most pro-Town way to deal with the problem of not wanting to reveal Alpha/Beta status is to claim vanilla Town but refuse to reveal what is status is.
Chucara clearly isn’t a Town power role. He pushed hard for an alpha/beta claim (see particularly [post=10609414]post D01.221[/post])). This idea was filled with several questionable assumptions (to say the least), one of which was that Town power roles had Alpha/Beta status, something he’d have known was false if he had been a Town power role (at least, Pedescribe so testifies, and Pedescribe is very possibly in a position to know). This does, however, show Chucara has a significant concern with Alpha/Beta status, and I cannot see why unless it has something to do with his role; and if it does, he’s not vanilla. Thus, he’s probably not Town at all, and that’s good enough for a vote.
Vote Chucara
Diggit’s claim.
Diggit’s claim is interesting. The flavour of the role, a medium investigator, is a good fit to this game where dead people don’t die, and indeed some can still post strategy. (We can trust Hawkeyeop’s motivation, even though we know he has access to only the basic level – his own role plus what he learned here).
Diggit has been deliberately sparse with supporting details, in particular whether he can actually question a dead player more than once, and whether he is restricted in who he can ask (for example, can he question someone who’s alignment differs from his own, and if he does how does he know the spirit won’t lie?)
I have to say that this doesn’t feel like the sort of role you’d give a deadite; they probably just want the dead to shut up and not reveal their secrets from beyond the grave. It’s actually a better fit for the Riddler-type PFK role that’s been mentioned above. Like NAF’s claim, this claim makes no sense if Diggit doesn’t really have the claimed powers.
Overall, I’d say Diggit is most likely to be Town, with a possibility of being a PFK; however the chances of him being a deadite are vanishingly small.
Time to go blow stuff up. This may be the close of the Red Hand, after which it’s switch DM time.
See you after Nigthfall.
), but since we have yet to mass-claim those are there for comparison once we do.