Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO

[Rapier42]

@pedescribe

I said that I had a gut feeling Cookies was town. I was worried, though, that I might be wrong, and the scum could kill me and have her claim mason, fighting off any counterclaims by pointing to my breadcrumb. So I said that she wasn’t a mason.

Ah, thanks.

[storyteller0910]

And… scene. Dusk to follow.

[storyteller0910]

INT THE CABIN KITCHEN

Pan across the crowd. All are yelling at PEEKERCPA, who labors unconcernedly at the stove in the kitchen.

PEEKERCPA
Can you all pipe down a minute? I’m trying to perfect a braciola with tamales.
(Sniffs)
Getting there.
(Sniffs again)
Seriously, I don’t know what’s wrong with you people. A little this, a little that, and everybody’s calling for the rope. Seriously, Chaos rocks. Everyone should know by now: you never give the Wild Card to a Joker.

SOMEONE
He speaks in a way that requires interpretation! Kill him!

The camera pans up PEEKER. We notice, for the first time, that he is more than seven feet tall. We notice that there is a large metal spear propped against the counter next to him.

SOMEONE
Uh… you first.

They look at one another nervously. Who will be the first to approach this incredibly intimidating form? Finally, PEEKER sighs.

PEEKERCPA
Fine. I never belonged here, anyway.

SOMEONE
In the company of decent people?

PEEKERCPA
In a movie this cliched and stupid. At least mine had explosions. Talking of which, and this is just a suggestion, you might all want to back out of the kitchen right now; if I’m leaving, I’m leaving in style, you freaks.

Eyes wide, they back out of the kitchen. There is a pause. Ariel view of the cabin. Suddenly the kitchen fucking explodes, blowing bits and pieces of PEEKER all over the forest. Our heroes crouch among the ruins of the living room, all basically unharmed. A stoner in the corner stirs suddenly.

STONER
So, who the hell is feeling cranky again? I missed it.

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PEEKERCPA, The Predator, a Third-Party Serial Killer, is well and truly dead.

(He was lynched, by the way, and was not a bomb. The color was just for fun in this case, because let’s face it, a bunch of college kids were not going to lynch the freaking Predator, OK?)

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Night Two begins here. It will end in approximately 48 hours, at 1:00PM on Thursday, January 1. Enjoy!

CURRENT VOTE COUNT

dotchan (4) - amrussell, total lost, hockey monkey, Natlaw
hawkeyeop (3) - Cookies, pedescribe, Almost Human
Chucara (2) - NAF1138, Diggit
Blaster Master (1) - Chucara
Diggitcamara (1) - Millit the Frail
Cookies (1) - hawkeyeop

[NAF1138]

ok, so…everyone want to FOR TONIGHT ONLY unvote for the evening to test the night lynch theory?

In general I would say that an extra lynch would be a good thing, but not if we don’t know that we are lynching.

I think if it turns out that we have an extra Night lynch we should use it after toNight.

Also, hey Cookies are you pro town?

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Unvote Hawkeyeop for Night Lynch research purposes
[/quote]

Yes, I am pro town.

@Rapier42

Gah.

It looked to me like he was posting a PM from Story, and is vaguely-but-not-really worried about being modkilled for it. Hardly a “slip”, Blam…

I owe everyone an apology, I’ve been forced to skim over the past couple days, and I don’t have a hard feeling on anybody. The way Hawk magic-bagged his theory bugged me, but I’m agreeing with most of what he’s got to say (and, FTR, I understand exactly what he means when he says voting for Player B means an attempt to save Player A. I also agree that we’re not holding scum accountable for their actions… scum ran away with SDMB, and were perilously close to another run-away in Marvel, by colluding and not getting called on it). I think I’m a little more bugged by the way Cookies reacted to it (even though I was fully in her camp at first). Aggressively defensive, and there were some inconsistencies in her defense that somebody else already called her on, that she appears to have ignored.

I want more from Peeker before he gets a vote, although if he doesn’t come clean I’d consider him a very valid candidate for the night-lynch theory. I’m not feeling a Dotchan-lynch, either, although this could be pure sympathy, I dunno.

I do wanna know what the heck Pedescribe is referring to when he says he prevented Cookies from false-claiming - did I miss something?

I’m going to [color=blue]Vote Cookies, and apologise again for my lack of participation.

This was a total bullshit vote, though you did go on to change it. What inconsistencies have I ignored?

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

er Unvote hawkeyeop for Night Lynch research purposes

[NAF1138]

Oh, I should unvote too.

unvote Chucara

[Total_Lost]

Unvote Dotchan

[Oog - I like Peekers style and hope to see him on FB where everyone will love him in the end… except me and a lot of other players… I already love the guy! And why do I feel a strange but overwhelming desire to go and check out the bathroom lol /Oog]

[brewha]

@storyteller0910

Suddenly the kitchen fucking explodes,

That made me laugh out loud. I don’t know why. :D:D

I’ll take a dead serial killer over a dead townie any day.

Good work guys.

[Natlaw]

@peekercpa

Ok, let’s be clear. I was responding to natlaw in that manner because I was called out on not being agressive enough to her/his original accusation. It was tounge in cheek.

I really wasn’t sure it was tongue in cheek or not. I thought you meant I was being righteous indignation because I said ‘Fine, unvote peekercpa’. It got the FOCD reference (my peekermode comment was as a fluffy reply to that). I guess we both could have used a smiley :(.

So you gals/guys tell me. Was fishy’s characterization of the pede train a wrong observation to make? Was my observation about Hawk’s relationships a bad thing? Was my endorsement of MHaye’s not letting previous games’ alignment influence current game set up horrible? Was me directly answering questions from Natlaw that were posed to me unforgivable?

No, no, no and no.

Yep, I am the fluff meister.

Seriously, I’d like to know.

You are and to your credit you did flush out all lurkers except Zeriel (yes, that is a FoS Zeriel).
I regret that you gave up and Story’s Dusk scene explosion did not have enough smoke to do you justice ;).

unvote dotchan for the Night Lynch test.

[Natlaw]

Actually, if we all unvote, how do we know there is a Night Lynch? It could only happen if there are votes. Any volunteers?

Also I guess if there is a vigilante we’re asking him to not kill this Night (or at least not someone voted for if compulsory).

[Stanislaus]

So the SK takes out one scum (probably) and then gets killed. That’s a result.

I’m not sure what we prove by unvoting. Let’s say we all do, and we only get one kill. Does that prove there’s a Night lynch mechanic? What if the next night we keep our votes on and two non-vote leaders die?

If the hypothesis is: “the person leading in votes at the end of the Night is killed” we don’t falsify it by having no votes. We falsify it by having a vote leader who doesn’t get killed. For example, what if there’s a mandatory Vig who can only kill the vote leader - unless there’s a tie (= no votes) in which case they choose randomly? What if scum had two kills somehow, and chose to mess with our heads by killing the vote leader? Tonight they’d just take one kill, then tomorrow they’d kill a townie vote leader.
I think we need to be clearer about what information we’re going to get from this experiment.

[NAF1138]

@amrussell

So the SK takes out one scum (probably) and then gets killed. That’s a result.

I’m not sure what we prove by unvoting. Let’s say we all do, and we only get one kill. Does that prove there’s a Night lynch mechanic? What if the next night we keep our votes on and two non-vote leaders die?

If the hypothesis is: “the person leading in votes at the end of the Night is killed” we don’t falsify it by having no votes. We falsify it by having a vote leader who doesn’t get killed. For example, what if there’s a mandatory Vig who can only kill the vote leader - unless there’s a tie (= no votes) in which case they choose randomly? What if scum had two kills somehow, and chose to mess with our heads by killing the vote leader? Tonight they’d just take one kill, then tomorrow they’d kill a townie vote leader.
I think we need to be clearer about what information we’re going to get from this experiment.

Ok, good point. I was thinking that we would count the number of deaths, but I suppose that doesn’t make a ton of sense.

So let’s change the premise. Let’s treat toNight like it is Day 2.5 and vote with an eye towards a lynch. We already know that story will give us a Night ending vote count. we just need to make sure we don’t end with a tie and that (again) the vig that is likely out there doesn’t take a shot at anyone. Since Peek was an SK if there is a lynch mechanic then the vig didn’t kill Night 1, so they can probably not kill again.

vote chucara

[Natlaw]

@Rapier42

The way Hawk magic-bagged his theory bugged me, but I’m agreeing with most of what he’s got to say (and, FTR, I understand exactly what he means when he says voting for Player B means an attempt to save Player A. I also agree that we’re not holding scum accountable for their actions…

Are you referring to Hawks suspicion list or are there other scum actions we’re not acting on?

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

If we only have night votes on one person, I think we might get a bit more potential information out of dawn, but not much.

I don’t think we have much control, however, and if we try to do anything at Night one way or the other. There are legitimate and spurious reasons why a plan might fall apart. People with votes on the table might not make it back to post and remove their votes but otherwise would have…scum and pfks of course might do any number of things to sabotage or exploit the plan, etc.

[Blaster_Master]

Okay, I’m confused about the testing the night-lynch theory as well.

First, we don’t have enough information to determine anything about the night kills at all. We can reasonably judge the source of two of them (scum, and peeker), but there’s plenty of other reasonable explanations. Maybe we also have a Vig, and he killed the leading vote getter. If anything, I think this is the best explanation because it allows a Vigilante to act in a pro-town way by essentially granting us a second lynch without having to explicitly ask for advice, or having to be directed and necessarily do something he knows is bad (like if he’s the top vote getter).

Besides, if there IS a night lynch, doesn’t it make the most sense to take advantage of it rather than not? The lynch is one of the most powerful tools at the disposal of the town. If we do have a night lynch, we generate more information because we can now hold people directly responsible for how their vote rests at both dusk and dawn. Hell, even if it doesn’t exist, as long as there’s a reasonable possibility that there is a night lynch out there, we now get twice as many snap shots.

So, really, I think a more likely scenario is a vigilante following the town suggestion. But I certainly think unvoting to test an unlikely case, especially since it won’t give us any real usable information, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

[NAF1138]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

If we only have night votes on one person, I think we might get a bit more potential information out of dawn, but not much.

I don’t think we have much control, however, and if we try to do anything at Night one way or the other. There are legitimate and spurious reasons why a plan might fall apart. People with votes on the table might not make it back to post and remove their votes but otherwise would have…scum and pfks of course might do any number of things to sabotage or exploit the plan, etc.

Agreed, and anything can be maninpulated, but I think that the best way to negate that manipulation is to treat toNight like it is a bonus Day and do our best to sort that information. That’s why I think a request that the vig not kill is a good idea. It will help keep the information clean. And any other third parties that might have a kill might want to hold off too, it’s in your best interest to know if there is a Night lynch as well.

Hell, if scum want to no kill toNight it would probably help them too. It’s a win for everyone playing if we know if there is a Night lynch.

[NAF1138]

@Blaster_Master

So, really, I think a more likely scenario is a vigilante following the town suggestion. But I certainly think unvoting to test an unlikely case, especially since it won’t give us any real usable information, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

Probably more likely, but what with story being unwilling to comment on the situation I think that it is worth the test. As far as unvoting, we moved on from that idea minutes ago. Keep up.

I agree, BTW, that if there is a Night lynch we need to use it. But if we don’t know that we are lynching I do think that it is more dangerous than beneficial. Once we know if we are lynching or not we can treat the situation appropriately.

[Total_Lost]

@NAF1138

Ok, good point. I was thinking that we would count the number of deaths, but I suppose that doesn’t make a ton of sense.

So let’s change the premise. Let’s treat toNight like it is Day 2.5 and vote with an eye towards a lynch. We already know that story will give us a Night ending vote count. we just need to make sure we don’t end with a tie and that (again) the vig that is likely out there doesn’t take a shot at anyone. Since Peek was an SK if there is a lynch mechanic then the vig didn’t kill Night 1, so they can probably not kill again.

vote chucara

Clearly: unless everyone is going with the unvote all and if we do have a Nightlynch all the unvoting could make it too easy for scum to turn up just before dawn and vote.

If we have a vig - it would be nice if (s)he didn’t target the vote leader of this Night - please

So I’m very happy with my Vote on Dotchan because she’s skimming, she’s voting/unvoting without any solid explanation, she’s not contributing to the game and her posts are just… “forgettable”.

I didn’t even remember Zeriel was in this game… I need to go back and check that :dubious:

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Revote Hawekeyop

Best to just play on as normal I suppose, and vote where the suspicion lies. We’ll have a new tangle of information to untie at Dawn.