ATPG Why does Cookies get a pass?
I’m wondering this as well…Is there a specific reason why we should should vote for anyone who has 2+ votes “Except Cookies” Why is Cookies exempt???
It sounds very chummy chummy, like he’s a partner of some sort…I know you better than for you to make that kind of statement though…So lets here the reasoning please 
Do you find anything I’ve done as particularly scummy, Dizzy? Do you find Meeko’s or Santislaus’ cases against me compelling? Call me crazy, but lack of a compelling case is usually why people don’t feel inclined to vote for someone.
Damn, I step away from the game for a couple days and I’m now a prime Scum suspect in PizzaGuy’s book? The more I read the more I think PizzaGuy is Scum. I think he is trying to deflect the heat he gained during the day one debate off of himself and put it on me.
vote AskThePizzaGuy
Also why DiggitCamara why? I ain’t done nothing to nobody!
I voted for you because you jumped into a conversation that others had generally already had. You objected to it.
Then, you used that same reasoning for voting for someone else. Caught my eye.
I currently have a vote for the top three lynch candidates. I’ll narrow that down to one closer to Day’s end. I’m thinking Chucara is where I’ll end up.
can you tell me which/what/where- I’m in the dark on this one?
this format annoys me because it’s so much harder to research separate time frames-
the fact that my primary vote is on a person that you’ve decided is your primary is interesting as well
Sorry, LightFoot. I don’t mean to be so unclear.
I voted for you because you jumped into a conversation that others had generally already had.
You objected to it.
Then, you used that same reasoning for voting for someone else.
Caught my eye.
I don’t currently find you scummy. Your responses to Pizza, as I noted up-thread some, ring townie to me. This was just a touch of oddness I wanted to keep in mind.
And to address your other comments…
The format of this thread, or my posts? If the latter, I’m sorry.
I don’t find you scummy, so this doesn’t bother me at all.
I was referring to this board’s format in general–
and I do now see your point from your side of the fence
Wagon-ing a candidate strikes me as a terrible idea. What’s the point of going through this whole process with the goal of making people accountable, if the end result is to say “Now everybody has to vote for the leader”? Where’s the accountability there?
People will and should vote for whoever they find most likely to be scum. Any system that tries to do pre-select a lynch leader and then require people - or some magic number of people - to vote for them is unhelpful.
It’s Day One and taking shots in the dark is how Day One is played.
Coming up with phony baloney reasoning for votes is borderline. I realize people think it’s meaningful at all to have reasons for votes, but here, let me show you something.
There were three scumbags and one serial killer in this game. I voted for and lynched two of them, and voted for both the other two.
On none of the votes I made against scum was any reasoning attached.
On the vote I had the most reasons for, I blocked someone and there was no nightkill, I had blocked the town vigilante.
So, all the scumbags I voted for, meaning every one of them in the game, were voted with no case.
The cases I attempted to make, few though they were, were wrong.
Reasons are customary but also unnecessary. Particularly D1 or D2, where I lynched scums without any bullshit reasoning attached.
I like to make cases, you know that. But there’s little to analyze D1 so, why are we so interested in the phony baloney cases? It’s not needed or necessary this early.
I’m still interested in voting because as that game and many others prove, you can lynch scums D1 and you can do it with very few votes and you can do it without any reasoning whatsoever.
Perhaps I do not make myself clear.
The end result should be a clear leader with at least a couple votes more than the second place candidate to prevent vote shifting to save any actual scumbags.
This does not mean everyone in the game forms a stupendously stupidwagon on the lead candidate. Just that there’s a buffer no one player can break, nor the lead candidate plus one scum buddy.
Prudence, master Stanislaus. Prudence is all I ask.
Because Cookies are delicious.
Can you point out any instance of my behavior as an attempt to avoid heat, or at any point where I gained votes did I make a more concerted effort to get you lynched than before?
I mean, from where I sit, you’re just making stuff up. Perhaps you can refer to my specific posts in question when you make such an allegation of deflecting heat.
It’s not really my style. I tend to absorb rather than deflect heat.
An entirely unbiased view of my contributions thusfar:
Hardly avoiding either attention or heat here. Much criticism was levied against both me and my ideas, and especially my reasonless vote on Day One.
Sort of the opposite of avoiding controversy, wouldn’t you agree?
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Spent much time discussing and defending my ideas. Bringing with it, accusations of power-grabbing or trying to lead town by the nose, votes, etc.
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Rebuttal to being voted for voting without reasons: Reasons are generally bullshit on day one. Also, the emperor has no clothes.
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Voting Johnny Bravo because reasons.
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Arguing with Johnny and Astral and Meeko and everyone in sight.
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840 word essay, how to click a mouse for fun and profit, plus pornography.
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Voting RyJae because reasons.
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Analysis, discussion, etc.
I mean please feel free to point out where along the lines I’ve avoided talking about anything, ducked criticism or avoided being the subject of scrutiny.
It’s kind of the exact opposite of how I play as town or scum. So I just wonder whose butthole these sorts of reasons to vote for me were pulled from. I realize it’s not a news flash but it stinks in there and I don’t appreciate stinky reasoning being wafted towards my sensitive nose.
I’m not so sure we need to find you doing anything scummy, per se.
At the point that Pizza’s protectionism of you sticks out so far, compared to his hit list populated as only he knows why, it deserves the scrutiny and votes they are now getting.
OK, I’m going to attempt to wade back in. God help me.
I think Pizza’s ‘protectionism’ is more negative space than anything else. Almost every player scrutinized by him has also been voted for by him, so a lack of a vote stands out.
I do have a question for you though, Meeko. Why did you unvote ATPG? If your suspicion of Cookies is contingent on protectionism, it seems like your vote on ATPG should stand. I’m not accusing you of anything so much as I’m just curious about your thought process here.
If cookies is suspicious because ATPG has given a pass, then ATPG must also be suspicious, right?
For the most part I’m a little fuzzy on the logic behind most of the votes here, but I’m going to try to take some time today to re-read the thread. I can see why some folks like to take notes.
While I’m posting I’d also like to
UNVOTE PLEONAST
I know it’s fairly moot since Pleo only has one vote, but I feel good about doing it. My initial reason was based on a comment that had been made regarding other games, and I don’t think I should vote based on second-hand info about games I never participated in.
Yeah, this is my third Mafia game and second on the Dope. You really don’t know what you’re missing until you no longer have it.
Advantages of the other forum
- Vote counting robot
- Dedicated sub-forum for the game
- Dedicated thread for each day and night
- Ability to search more than once every 5 minutes
- Ability to instantly see how people have participated on Daily based upon that separation of threads.
- Vote counting robot. Seriously. It’s awesome.
Disadvantages:
- You can’t do what Story’s doing of multi-voting.
- Well, you can. You just have to either tweak or not use the vote counting robot for the game.
Um, that’s about it.
My view on the popular nominations:
[quote=“MHaye, post:519, topic:646635”]
Seven votes[ul][li]Chucara : LightFoot (300), Texcat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), [del]Babale (+367) (-453)[/del], Orthohedron (434), Astral Rejection (514)[/ul][/li][/quote]
Random D1 votes are a null tell. No, they don’t really constitute a good reason to lynch someone, but there’s a bootstrapping problem on D1 and they’re as good a way as any to start conversation. Where Chucara’s vote ends up is more interesting than where it starts. I’m more concerned by his quick vote/unvote of Babale. The rational was that he liked Babale’s response, but I find that quick turnaround slightly disconcerting. A very faint scum lean.
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Six votes[ul][li]ATPG : Choie (312), Texcat (334), Silver Jan (351), [del]Babale (+367), (-426)[/del], Johnny Bravo (392), [del]Meeko (+436), (-472)[/del], RyJae (508), Astral Rejection (514)[/ul][/li][/quote]
Pizza has taken this game in an unusual direction: although he didn’t bring it up, he’s certainly pushed it forward through setting the timetable. I don’t think this has been detrimental though - inevitably, it’s not being followed slavishly, but we have generated votes. I think Pizza does believe in his plan, and thinks it will help.
What does concern me more is the disconnect between a no-reason D1 vote (and defence of that concept) and a general insistence that now our D1 votes must be backed to the hilt. If Red Skeezix ends up in a tie, I for one won’t hold it against Pizza if he moves his vote. Nor would I give him any particular Town credit for sticking with his reasonless choice (esp. if Red flips Town).
I know that the point of the Pizza plan is to force people to be accountable for their votes - but there’s a difference between that and binding our own hands. Right now, I think this is over-enthusiasm rather than manipulation.
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Four votes[ul][li]RyJae : guiri (220), [del]Mahaloth (231), (337)[/del], DarkCookies (301 ), ATPG (505), Astral Rejection (514)[/ul][/li][/quote]
Re-reading it, I agree that his post about skimming being a scum tell, except when he does it as vanilla is plenty suspicious for D1. I’m less convinced by Pizza’s case because I think the “Let’s not lynch D1” argument comes up a lot and not wholly or mainly from scum. But the first post is enough to:
vote Ryjae
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Three votes[ul][li]Babale : Stanislaus (236), Suburban Plankton (369), Gnarlycharlie (373), [del]Chucara (+422), (-427)[/del][/li][li]Johnny Bravo : USCDiver (289), ATPG (389), Mahaloth (407)[/li][li]Orthohedron : DiggitCamara (244), Chucara (327), ATPG (328)[/ul][/li][/quote]
I’m giving benefit of Newbie doubt to Johnny and Ortho today; I’m sticking with my vote on Babale. I still think he was too effusive in his explanations for the original Barn/tracker slip-up; I also agree with Suburban’s vote in 369.
…gotta dash. I’m going to need to take better notes or I’ll be stuck doing massive rereads all the time.
Stanislaus, your vote likely won’t count. It needs some formatting love.