By the way:
Vote Babale
My reasons haven’t changed from yesterday. His last post that wasn’t “sorry I’m not here!” was on the 23rd of last month.
If he’s just not playing, then he should be replaced, but I’m happy to push for a lynchin’.
A worse scenario is that he’s just been quietly lurking during the day and peforming SK kills at night.
My obsessive re-reading of my own posts (damn the edit window!) made me realize that my implication here is that Babale could be the SK but not scum. The author did not intend such an implication, though I suppose it strikes me as less plausible that any single scum, who has to work with a team and try to sway our actions, would lurk for this long.
Anyhow, carry on.
vote USCDiver
YesterDay came down to a three person race between orthohedron, Mahaloth, and Babale. **USCDiver **was the only person voting for two of the three. I find it suspicious in multi-vote games when people don’t make a choice in such situations. It’s one thing to have a vote on one of the leaders and also votes on non-contenders, as a way of saying “I think these people might be Scum too”, but voting for multiple lynch candidates suggests that you’re really OK no matter who goes to the gallows.
Also, one of our “Confirmed Townies” thinks he’s suspicious.
And as long as I’m following the instructions of dead people,
vote LightFoot
Her reaction to being ‘outed’ yesterDay was just too much.
My knee jerk reaction was to ignore ** choie ** to a certain extent- as in not respond much to her / their theories — being a zombie and all
But
She claims to have not been sent a PM with the “ zombie rules”* let alone be notified that she was undead—and then adds
Do our zombies know more than they are telling? ( not that we can do much about it anyway- except bring salt )
Note at the beginning of this day the mod said “If you have to ask whether you can target them with a Night action, you can’t “ — could this mean that some players can- and have been told so?
I originally read that as a kind of tongue-in-cheek joke, like “if you have to ask, you can’t afford it.”
Your interpretation makes a lot more sense. It could be that we have a third party who has to raise zombies and maybe a separate third party who has to kill them? The latter seems unlikely, though, since Pizzaguy’s been around since Day 2.
Either way, the barn post would be a lot more believable without the **pizzaguy **note. The specific note from storyteller that Pizzaguy cannot act makes it difficult to consider how ‘involved’ could mean anything more than having knowledge, but what does he care? Even if it turns out that he’s a bad guy now it’s not like we can lynch him or even shut him up.
Without further information, today’s barn post seems like a wash.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what people did when I wasn’t a zombie, so why should it change now?
But it’s natural you wouldn’t want to respond to me, because you’d rather ignore the implications of your incredibly obvious slip.
Um… how do you get that I know more than I’m telling when I just explicitly said, or at least guessed, that the only reason the specific people who’ve been zombified have been allowed back in is probably because we’re not spoiled? For example, I remember Silver Jan asked to be spoiled right after her death, and I don’t see her shuffling around here looking for brains, do you?
I’m also assuming Guiri was spoiled, because why on earth would anyone bring me or barely-participitory ortho back over him? I wonder if whoever is bringing people back–whether it’s Town or Third Party (I don’t see why Scum would do this, but who knows)–maybe gets a choice of whom they can resurrect from a list of people who aren’t spoiled. Maybe that’s why there’ve been no zombies since Pizza; perhaps all the rest signed up to get spoilers.
All I know is, since I know I have no spoilers–and because there had been a discussion about the thread I started in here–I wanted to reassure people that nope, I’m as utterly ignorant as I was when I was killed. And I extrapolated the rest from this fact, because it just wouldn’t be fair to let spoiled people back in the game.
The only real value I have is that Town should know my motives are pure. That doesn’t mean I have any other special knowledge. I’ve been wrong about Guiri, Astral and Stanislaus (well, I kinda changed my mind about him after his claim but didn’t bother to re-vote for him because by that point I just didn’t give a damn) so heaven knows no one should automatically trust my feelings just because I’m confirmed Town.
But you made a big screw-up, LightFoot, basically revealing you’d never seen (or didn’t even recognize) the Town PM–apparently you don’t even remember story posting it.
At first I thought it was scummy for Astral and Cookies to leap on you like white on rice for that slip, because it seemed they were fishing about a Town power role. But that was before Dawn arrived and you were still alive. While I’ve got no special knowledge about anything, or quite frankly even any regular knowledge as is evident by my voting record, even I’m not stupid enough to ignore the potential implications of you surviving the Night.
According to what story said in this thread, zombies can’t do anything except talk. No voting and no actions.
It’s amazing, I offer up all the info I know and have guessed, I’m known Town, and still people don’t trust me. Why would I bother to mention that there was no PM? What would be the point of offering up that piece of info if it weren’t true?
It’s possible story just forgot to send me something, but I really doubt it. There are so few zombies that it doesn’t seem likely this type of thing would fly under his radar.
Maybe the utter lack of information is intended to mimic the fact that we don’t really matter and just like a “real” zombie, we have no clue as to why we were brought back. I do think it’s bizarre that I didn’t even get a heads-up message, even just a shortie that said something like “hey, you’ve been brought back as a zombie. If you want to participate go right ahead, just know you can’t vote.” But I didn’t. And I thought that was a data point that Town should have.
Not everyone comes back- and by your comments they are only told by the colour
you have the same questions about zombies that I do- so no reason for that to be a negative towards me
So Lightfoot Care to address the whole Vanilla PM debacle? Do you have a firm answer as to why you aren’t familiar with the standard PM?
My attempts to get on top of this game seem to always hit a brick wall. We have undead players in earnest now?
Sick and tired of people playing an entirely different game than me.
Perhaps the adage of “it’s vanilla’s job to die” is jest said in truth. If only it had been
It is vanilla’s job to play.
Then we might be winning this one.
sorry guys, but I’ve requested a sub via PM to storyteller. I hate to do this so far into the game, but it’s been well over a week since I’ve been able to pay more than 5 minutes attention to the game and the last thing town needs at this stage is another inactive player. I’ll do what I can to get caught up and weigh in until the sub appears, but I can almost guarantee that won’t happen today.
Choie, you’re going way too metagame here. It’s the same problem as with trying to analyze Storyteller’s color.
Mafia is a game about creating a set of rules and conditions and letting the players interact with them. Storyteller’s job is purely administrative. He deals with modkilling, subbing, and adjudicating the resolution of powers.
Players are rising from the dead. The mechanic raising them must be something within the game itself. Either there’s a player operating under a set of rules that involves delays of some kind, or there’s a predetermined set of circumstances that determines if and when a killed player rises as a zombie.
As a sidenote, do games ever shorten the length of the day as the total number of players shrink?
*Some games do.
OoOoOoOoO! /chain rattles*
i concur. **Mahaloth **was in hot water so scum would have let him live. perhaps a backup vig is present.
seems we have a 3rd party demon whose goal is to zombify a certain number of players as hinted by the demon hunter. as to why **choie **and ortho, i’m guessing the demon didn’t want guiri joining the discussion. the absence of zombies in other Dawns is worrisome. perhaps the demon gets to zombify in batches, increasing as Days go by.
in the meantime,
Vote Babale
Vote Dizzymrslizzy
for the same reasons as before.
i’m looking over the case on Lightfoot to see if she deserves a vote.
Okay. This is the last time I’m participating in this or any other Mafia game because I am really fucking sick and tired of people telling me how it’s played and how I just don’t understand and blah blah blah condescension.
Meta? This whole game is meta! “Scum players always skim!” “Scum players don’t lurk, unless they do!” At least 50% of so-called “reasoning” in this game involves assessing how Scum behaves based on how you’ve seen Scum act in previous games, or what Received Knowledge says about Scum vs. Town. If it weren’t no one would ever be accused unless they happened to make bad slips like Stanislaus and Mahaloth – and Mahaloth was wrongly accused and nearly lynched for it, you’ll note, so much for your own brilliant deductive reasoning, people.
I know there’s an in-game mechanic by which someone or someones unknown is raising the dead. However, LightFoot opined that we zombies know more than we’re telling, and I countered that with nope, I know precisely no more than I knew when I died. And because there had been discussion about the stupid thread I started being spoiler-laden, because heaven forefend some little delicate geniuses not look into a thread they know they shouldn’t or do vanity searches for your names while playing Mafia, I repeated that not only were there no spoilers in that thread, but I really really doubt that storyteller would allow the raising of anyone who’s spoiled. I mean that’s bleedin’ elementary, don’t you think? Do you seriously think someone who’s been reading a spoiler board would be let back into the game?
Meanwhile, I assert strongly that any halfway strategically smart Scum, Town or 3rd Party player would have raised Guiri. That’s what I did in my last game after he was killed, when I was the Scum. And no, I’m not saying I’m smart, believe me, but that just shows you how good a move it is, because it makes you look damn good to raise the (seemingly) best player killed – and thus if you’re found out as the resurrector, you can claim Town and a purely noble reasoning. Sure enough, that’s exactly what happened, as people like Astral and Silver Jan can attest (or could if they were alive). I raised everyone who would be worthwhile to Town and the people who knew I was the resurrector fell right into my trap of cred.
Meanwhile a real Town player wouldn’t think twice about raising him rather than two worthless players like me and ortho. (No offense intended, ortho, but your participation was pretty nil; but you’re new and I’m sure you’ll take maybe one or two games before you’re up to speed, unlike me.)
So since Guiri wasn’t raised, I figure there has to be a damn good reason. Either the resurrector is either a) a not-very-experienced or not-very-good player who didn’t think of this strategy and had no teammates who would’ve helped him/her make this obvious decision–which means 3rd party–or b) Guiri is not allowed back in the game. If it’s the latter, I gave my opinion why that might be. Unfortunately if that’s true, we have a more difficult task in figuring out motives.
Or I should say you have a more difficult task, because at this point I totally couldn’t give a damn. For one idiotic moment I thought I again had some investment and even maybe usefulness in the game because I’d been raised so I might as well participate and let Town know what little I know about how I was raised (that is, without any special instructions or WinCon or any notification at all) and possibly why I was raised rather than someone else whom you’d all actually be happy to have back. While I highly doubt it matters if zombie players participate at all, since we’re almost certainly pawns in someone nefarious’s WinCon, I thought I could add some value despite this.
Yeah, not so much. Bye.
Initial thought about the Dawn color - everyone else who has died has been “killed,” but **Red **was purposely described as just “dead.”
That may mean nothing.
Regarding **Lightfoot **- having a non-vanilla PM shouldn’t be immediately damning, given that so many vanilla Town have died, how many vanillas can be left? I’m suspicious that she may be being forced into a claim if she is a power role.
I don’t get the zombie/demon situation either, or the barn message. Idea: Are the SK’s kills the ones being zombified, and the Wolf kills aren’t? Or vice versa?
I’m decidedly ambivalent about Lightfoot. My hunch is that scum/3rd party would be less likely to make such a slip due to the hyper-awareness factor, but the same logic would apply to Town power roles too. Everything she’s said since the slip is a null tell that I parse as frustration about the slip and having it pointed out. Any player of any faction could reasonably be frustrated.
I’ve had Babale low on my list of likely scum since Day 1, but s/he has been pretty much a non-entity since the early posts about misgivings on the barn. I’m willing to burn a multi-vote to prod for participation at this point.
Vote Babale
I am comfortable with putting a vote again on
Vote Dizzy
She was an early voter on the pre-claiming Diggit. So was Townie Mahaloth, but I still think the logic is sound that scum would be likely to jump on an early wagon forming against anyone who was of a different faction. Texcat and Johnny are the other two that make up the original four of my multi-votes back when I first floated the idea, but they’ve both moved off of my radar over the last cycle, whereas Dizzy has remained. She cried foul at not getting a pass from me for being new, when that wasn’t accurate or relevant. And most recently, she seems to have inverted perceptions from mine about the possible mechanics of zombies that make me suspect that she’s directly involved in those mechanics.
choie - It doesn’t sound like your enjoying yourself, and that is unfortunate. All I can say from where I’m sitting is that I don’t sense the personal attacks that you seem to perceive. The only other things I could say are anecdotes about the game based on years (and years, and years) of playing with many of these fine folks that I fear will be interpreted as condescension, so I’ll just leave it at that.
Meeko still seems to be swimming upstream towards spawning grounds that I’m not familiar with. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Whoops.
Vote Dizzy
Ortho and Pizzaguy were both lynches. Choie was killed at night. The only thing that they have in common, that I can see right now, is that they were all vanilla townies.
Choie: I’m sorry you’re not having fun. Nothing that I’ve said to you or regarding you was meant with any amount of venom.
Actually you are misreading me yet again. I honestly don’t have ANY real perceptions about the mechanics of the zombies. I’m throwing out ideas, if you see I had multiple reasons as to what happened, I didn’t come out and say OMG IT MUST BE XYZ… Isn’t that the point of this game, to bounce ideas off of each other and figure out what the heck is going on?
I feel much like Choie right now…I’m damned if I do, damned if I don’t. I’m damned if I’m lost and not posting a lot of volume. I’m damned if I share my thoughts and ideas about what happened.