It’s entirely possible I am involved with a third party without my knowledge.
If you can eliminate me by some means, then by all means. I seriously am not that attached to my dead body.
It would kind of suck to be part of a third party team and not know about it. So go right ahead and eliminate me if you have any method of doing so.
I still swear on my life (or undeath, if you prefer) I am not consciously involved in any anti town behaviors. That much will still be true even if you kill me and I flip something interesting-er than vanilla dead guy.
Given I’m not paying attention and not really involved, it’s no sweat off of my rotting balls.
Oh, and permit me to do my “The Fly” impression before I go:
Yes, I did in fact copy/paste every piece of correspondence I’ve had with storyteller. And that’s a problem why?
Tell me…what exactly do you think I’m redirecting from, and to where?
I did consider keeping quiet, but I figured that the combination of the Barn Post and my early vote on **USCDiver **would be enough to let him know, at least, that I am the Demon Hunter, and that would greatly diminish my long-term survival chances. Then I considered a partial reveal, but I couldn’t see any way to do that which wouldn’t lead to more questions and an eventual full reveal anyway. So I decided it was best to just put all my cards on the table.
Yes, I am proposing an additional lynch candidate. But that’s not ‘redirection’; it’s ‘sharing additional information’. Yes, I could have held on to the information until tomorrow, since we already had a valid lynch candidate Today. But I didn’t want to risk getting killed without telling everything I knew. If I were saying “No, don’t lynch Cookies; lynch **Diver **instead!”, then you would have a valid point here. But I’m not doing that.
I believe his claim. I think that somehow zombies are required to make Demons. Maybe the parts falling off Pizza have been used? This is worrisome since the number zombies has recently increased. I think you should kill Pizza immediately. And then if possible, start killing the other zombies before they can be used to make Demons.
vote: USCDiver
I think this is our first priority. We absolutely do not need to be worrying about people turning into Demons. If we lynch USCDiver, we can confirm Suburban’s claim, we can hopefully prevent new Demons toNight. I can’t tell from storyteller’s color in the PM whether the stink of Demon on USCDiver is because he is the new Demon or because he is the Demon maker. I think it is essential that we find out soon.
unvote: Cookies
Scum is still going to kill toNight, with or without Cookies. I see this as a second priority. And if any of those people killing red shirts every Night are listening and are town affiliated, this would be a good target!
I’m only slightly less stumped than you are. I have given you every piece of information I have. If it makes any more sense to me than it does to anyone else that’s only because I’ve had more time to think about it…and trust me, that really doesn’t help…
I do believe that you are not directly, consciously (inasmuch as a rotting corpse can have a conscience in the first place) involved in whatever is going on. We were told in no uncertain terms that you have no Day or Night action; that, and the fact that nobody apart from myself (apparently) can interact with you in any way, pretty much guarantees that you are being used as a tool by other forces, rather than doing any work yourself.
As I said before, I was really hoping that there would be someone else who would have a role similar to, or complementary with, mine. I still think they must be out there, because otherwise that would seem to put an awful lot of pressure on my role alone, and that seems bad from a game-balance standpoint. But nobody is speaking up, so maybe I’m wrong.
Forgive me for interjecting. This is yall’s game at this point, but I had to put this forward:
Don’t we have an essentially admitted scummer in Cookies?
Lynch her.
Then, you’re the Demon hunter, right?
Kill the demon tonight.
After that, you can kill me. If it’s stated somewhere that I have no night action then obviously, even if I were somehow not on the town’s side anymore (without my knowledge, but also allowed to speak and scum hunt? And therefore possibly, and accidentally, calling for the lynch of my own teammates? That’s fair…)
You could leave me until tomorrow. No vote and no night action means at the very least you have bigger threats.
Or, reverse it. Lynch the Demon today and kill the scummo tomorrow. Two no-miss lynches, and you personally kill me tonight. That takes care of all three.
Since as far as I know, I’m still town, I think you should waste absolutely no time destroying the Demon itself, and the confessed scumbag. But if you think I’m up to shenanigans, it costs you nothing to lynch the demon today (thus ending any further demonry) and then kill the scumbag who outed herself.
I wasn’t told anything about **choie **or orthohedron, so I don’t think there’s anything I can do about them…at least not at this point. of course, I wasn’t told anything about **Pizza **until Dawn of Day 4, after someone became involved with the Demon.
My concern initially, as I’ve already pointed out, was that my role is ‘Demon Hunter’ and not ‘Zombie Killer’, which suggested to me that my primary task was to find the people associating with the Demon (and possibly the Demon himself if he is a player) and not to destroy the Demons. But since I chose wisely in my first attempt, I feel a bit less pressure now so spending a Night dealing with Pizza instead of searching seems less risky. story’s PM told me that I will be informed if anyone else changes alignment; since I haven’t been informed, it hasn’t happened yet.
My guess is that there are currently two players associated with the Demon: one who was around at the beginning of the game and raised **Pizza **on Night 1, and one who changed alignment on Night 3. And I believe that those two players are responsible for **choie **and **ortho **being raised last Night. One of those players is USCDiver, and I have no idea who the other is.
Finally, concerning Today’s lynch…I’m not sure who should be the priority Today between **Cookies **and Diver.
In one corner, **Cookies **is a confessed Wolf, so lynching her is a no-brainer. the only problem here is that she confessed so easily, and under relatively little pressure. That bothers me quite a bit.
In the other corner is USCDiver, who smells strongly of Demon. There are two things to consider about him. One, you all have to take my word about him; he hasn’t confessed and I can’t offer any incontrovertible proof of his guilt. And two, even I must admit that I don’t have anything that says clearly and unambiguously “Diver is a threat to Town”. But…I think it’s quite clear from the information I’ve been given that he is indeed a ‘threat to Town’, and I’ll be flabbergasted if it turns out he’s not.
I think the best lynch for today is USCDiver, because he is an ‘unknown’. He’s definitely a bad guy, but we don’t know what exactly he’s capable of. We do know that someone is recruiting players for a Third-Party faction, and the evidence tells us that Diver is involved in that in some capacity, and I think the priority should be to put a stop to that.
**Cookies **is a Wolf, but I’m a bit concerned that if we try to lynch her Today we’re going to fail…why else would she have collapsed like a flan in a cupboard? And in any case, she will still be a Wolf Tomorrow.
Either way there’s no chance of a mis-lynch. Our only real concern is maximizing the effectiveness of our lynch, so that’s a good thing. I prefer **Diver **over Cookies, but I’m not going to argue much more strongly than this, since I think neither is a ‘bad lynch’.
As far as I know I *can’t *kill the Demon. I don’t even know if the Demon is killable. At this point, I have two abilities: I can find people who have been associating with the Demon (e.g. USCDiver), and I can destroy you and only you, Askthepizzaguy. That’s it. If my abilities stretch any farther than that, I’ve not been informed.
In my mind, Today we lynch either Diver or **Cookies *(see my post above). Tonight, I’ll destroy Pizza, and see what happens. And then tomorrow we either lynch whomever we didn’t lynch Today, unless new information comes to light that changes our priorities.
I’m still just a teeny bit unsure if this is the best course of action. On the surface, it seems like a no-brainer: Pizza was raised from the dead, someone is cavorting with Demons, and Pizza has some connection to the events; therefore, destroy Pizza and break the connection. It seems bone-headedly simple. And that’s what’s bugging me; it seems *too *easy. But maybe I’m just being too paranoid…
After some consideration, it might make more sense to keep searching for demon connections and let Pizza be for the moment. It’s possible that all his parts have already been used anyway, and that’s why they needed more zombies.
Wait, you’re a demon hunter but can’t kill the demon?
But you can kill zombies?
That’s weird as hell.
That being said, by all means kill me tonight. I want my good name restored or I want to not be used as a pawn in someone else’s game that I wasn’t invited to.
Until someone tells me otherwise I’m a damned townie. If you can’t even kill Diver then yeah, you kill me tonight to solve the mystery of the “connection” I have with Diver.
Also, I remember hating Diver’s early votes. It would be grand to see him dead and guilty. I would feel a lot better, especially if he made me a pawn in his game without my consent.
Lynch Diver, due to possible third party recruiting capability. (Makes him slightly more dangerous to town than a confessed wolf)
Kill Pizza tonight. Just for the utter thrill of actually finally getting to kill me. Also, solve mysterious connection, etc.
Lynch Cookies tomorrow, for being confessed scum.
I think folks should agree on this plan. It’s endorsed by Pizza. That being said, derp. No one cares what I think about anything.
I’m getting caught up from the overnight posts and actually I’m glad **Suburban **came forward when he did. My role so far has been very confusing but a lot of what he has said gels with what I’ve been told and is starting to make some sense. I am going to soft claim for the moment because I have information that I think would be more useful for the Demon than for Town right now. I am a Town Power and given **Suburban’s ** claims (if truthful, and I think they are) I have reason to believe that I will show up to his investigations as in league with the Demon despite the opposite being true. Sort of like a Third-party Miller or something.
Hopefully more information will come to light Tonight. I suggest that we lynch the Wolf we know we have and let **Suburban **kill off Pizzaguy. Assuming I survive the Night (a big assumption, granted) I will do a full claim Tomorrow.
Agreed (referring to Dizzy’s phrasing, which Cookies is quoting but doesn’t show up here for some reason.) I didn’t do anything and you can’t prove it?
Unvote Cookies
She is not the greatest threat to Town at the moment.
**Vote USCDiver **
I would say the time for a full claim is Today, USCDiver.
Management wishes to apologize to all players for the following reasons:
The “dead players who can still participate” thing was never intended to cause this much frustration. The undead being chatty is part of the Evil Dead vibe, and I thought it would be fun to reproduce that in some way in the mechanics for this game… plus I thought it would be enjoyable for some players, especially those killed early, to have a chance to stay part of the game. Based on the reactions, this would appear to have been a miscalculation. Please be assured that this part of a fairly straightforward in-game mechanic, and that it’s well controlled. I had assumed that once pizzguy returned, that other players would figure there was a chance they would do the same… I should have been more clear and I apologize one more time for the confusion it’s caused.
More importantly, I have been a bit of an absentee moderator lately. My wife is pregnant, and due in two weeks. The last stages of her pregnancy have been more challenging than we’d anticipated, and my free time has been occupied more than I’d thought it would be. For that reason, I apologize if I am slow to respond to PMs and vote count requests.
Townie thing to do is fully claim before you die. If you’re concerned about dying tonight then it’s not kosher to withhold any information, especially since you’re suspect number one or two depending on the player.
Corrupting innocents is worse than killing innocents. Mafia must die, but cult must die now.
This is seriously weak sauce. We know that this is the first day that a third-party win can be triggered. It sounds to me like you have something that you *reeeaally *want to do tonight, and you’re soft claiming a “well, I’m a good guy but I probably investigate as a bad guy!” to buy just one more day.
Cookies folding like she did indicates that she’s either a) vanilla scum and doesn’t mind throwing herself on her own sword or b) has some reason to encourage us to lynch her tonight. Unvote Cookies
Whoever our backup vig is, I’d strongly recommend taking care of her tonight.
Vote USCDiver
ETA: [oog]Good vibes headed your way, storydude![/oog]
