I was speaking in the general sense.
ZoMo (heh!) want braaaains. Eat bad people in day. Not want poking. Maybe try magic to turn back human? Not scum, same game winning - stop bad humans who hurt town.
ZoMo think can vote. No rule saying not.
Maybe bad people list -
Visorslash for want hurt me, and ask other people hurt me
Suburban Plankton for saying he not say something he didand starting vote against me day 1.
Is this the No Homers Club, and I’m the designated Homer? Does no one have an answer to why we’re assuming Phere gave up a NK, considering he killed Guiri? Seems to me more like scum gave up a NK, assuming they’re a distinct group from Phere himself.
Oh good grief. Just writing those last words made me think something (yes, Weedy, this is one where I actually am improvising because I got an idea literally from typing the words above): Is the demon’s name a hint to the true nature of the game? As in… “We have nothing to fear but Phere itself”
Maybe the theory that there’s no distinct gang of scum is correct? Or if there is a scum team, maybe Phere is more dangerous than they are.
Or, and this is possibly really dumb, but could it be that the only person behind Phere, the true traitor in the game, is our moderator himself? I mean think about it: he’s not telling us a thing that’s meaningful about people’s roles when they die. Good, Evil, they’re supposedly equally likely to be Town.
I suddenly feel like we’re in the Matrix. Maybe we need to break our programming and realize that the person who created this “reality” is actually the true Big Bad? We need to kill the less important scum folks lurking around, but in the end we have to fight Phere, aka pizzaguy, himself?
Or is this too weird even for a pizzagame?
I’m still catching up … currently at post #1956.
For what it’s worth, here is what PizzaMod had to say about editing posts in the signup thread:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14934789&postcount=296
Too weird, choie. He’s said just hunt scum and all would be well – as much as a bastard as he can be I doubt he’d subvert that.
I have the same thought process.
Far as I’m concerned nothing’s beyond him. 
But seriously, others are opining that there are no scum at all, just one PFK, the traitor. Do you think they’re as off-base? I don’t think my idea is any weirder than that theory, which also assumes that pizza was lying about “just hunt scum.”
Choie, I’m pretty sure that Phere is controlled by the Summoner, or Summoner & his coven/compatriots. [ATPG was pretty clear that he didn’t have a real role in the game. ] There’s plenty to be confused about (or speculate about, which is much more fun than confusion) but I don’t think that’s one of them. But, yes, I have noted the name too, and have speculated privately (e.g., that we are imprisoned in our heads, for all the good that does us practically).
So, yes, it appears scum gave up a night kill and created a zombie.
My fears (should that be Pheres) about zombies remain, although I admit they’re pretty much just that given that we don’t know a lot. We don’t really seem to know a lot about anything! I was hoping for a lynch because I’m pretty sure I can’t defeat a zombie on my own, and a lynch would. But I accept that’s not the feel of the town right now, and I can’t see that changing before we have night info.
So I will unvote Mosier. First let me make the initial one effective:
vote Mosier because I forgot to bold it in the original post (thank you kind someone for pointing that out)
and
unvote Mosier
Also while I’m dealing with votes. I believe Astral was raised, not zombified, and agree that it sucks that he doesn’t have any exciting thing his aunt gave him that he doesn’t know what it is anymore. So,
pendant Astral Rejection
OOG
- high five to Tanaer
I’ve been thinking of slipping a a reference to THGTTG since we first got things we don’t know what does. ( but I remembered it as mother, not aunt?)
I will say this, One of the many, many things I’m not grokking about this game is why so many people are voting/unvoting the same person in the same post.
Okay. There’s no way Tanaer is scum. I will never believe anyone is scum who quotes the HHGG Infocom game.
And to show my solidarity for Infocom geeks everywhere:
vote pendant to Astral Rejection
I don’t think that there is only one Scum. I’m not sure of the role that the traitor plays in the Scum team, whether he is a godfather type in a multi-person Scum team, or a single SK type separate from the Scum team. Or whatever other crazy stuff we could dream up. But I think there is more than one Scum. I don’t know how the demon’s powers fit into this.
choie, I assumed the other NK was angelled, but now that people are saying the demon may have sacrificed it in order to bring back Mosier, that could make sense too.
“Angelled”?
But the demon couldn’t have sacrificed his NK – it’s explicitly mentioned that Phere killed Guiri! Unless you’re assuming that the scum team use Phere to kill someone, and the Phere also kills someone on his own?
Okay, next dumbass theory from me. The unclaimed attacks on people (where the color doesn’t say that Phere is the one behind the attack) – are they Scum attacks? And unlike Phere, they have to get past people’s hp in order to make a kill? That might explain why there was only one NK, assuming Scum aren’t having luck finding people with low enough hp.
I should’ve said “are some of those unattributed attacks Scum attacks.” We can attack too.
Angelled - protected, blocked by a pro-Town power
I could be confused here, but I thought Phere killed two people on Night One, one with a magical attack, and one with physical.
I thought the unclaimed attacks were player attacks. That’s the attacks at End of Day, you mean?
Gad, more reads, please.
Ah, thanks for the definition of Angelled; never heard that one before.
Oh crapples, I’ve forgotten that attacks happen during the Day, not at Night. This game is really complex; I’m just not used to so many actions both Day and Night.
Buuut, okay, though we know that those attacks are players, we don’t know that they’re Town players. Could they be intended to lower hp in preparation for a NK?
Basically either there’s no scum and Phere is doing all the kills on orders from the traitor (but this goes against the “just hunt scum and you’ll be fine” comment by ATPG), or there are two designated kills, one from Phere/traitor, and one by scum – or at least facillitated by scum.
Am I making any sense whatsoever? I’m just trying to reconcile the fact that Normal and others staunchly believe there must be scum because ATPG said there are scum to be hunted, but we’re only seeing Phere doing the kills, which are allegedly at the instigation of a Traitor. So what are scum doing if not killing or attacking?
I guess the way to do that is if the “traitor” is really the Godfather role, as someone above suggested, and he or she is the one who places the order that Phere delivers. Right? Wrong?
I said a while ago I thought there was a lower number of Scum than would be normal for a game this size. I said at the time that I believed there were 3 Scum, but that was based on the triple votes. I’m not sure I buy the theory that there is only 1 Scum, but I could be persuaded.
choie, your “We have nothing to fear but Phere itself” is extremely interesting. I think that it would be a really horrible twist for an already complicated game, but it does bear considering. That would lead us back to someone’s (possibly Gadarene?) suggestions that we all attack Phere.
Visorslash, unless I have missed something, you have been asked several times if you are the double-voter. Are you ignoring the question or refusing to answer?
Regarding ZoMosier, it seems like he may be operating under some sort of post restriction. Hmmm. Interesting.
When I suggested that the triple voter might be someone who is absolutely silent in the game, people were all kinds of quick to point out that post restrictions are generally considered bad form and all that. But now, hey, whaddaya know? Looks like a post restriction. :rolleyes:
I know for a fact that at least one of the attackers on D2 was a Townie.
Also, count me in the group that believes there are Scum to be hunted because PizzaMod said that we could ignore the DnD elements and just hunt Scum.
If we went through this whole complex game and there were no Scum, then I think there would probably be a sudden rise in inexplicable beatings of anyone associated with the pizza industry in Orlando. Kind of a “Murder on the Orient Express” kind of thing. 
I think ‘angels’ are called ‘docs’ here, but saying someone was docced didn’t sound right!
These are my base assumptions, which are pulled completely out of my arse:
There is a Scum team of 3-7 Scum (I think 4-5). The traitor is a godfather and investigates as Town. The Scum team control the Demon’s actions, or to put it another way, the Demon is the colour/in-game description of the Scum team’s actions. They discuss amongst themselves and send in orders, according to their abilites: triple vote Astral, NK Guiri, or whatever, and the Demon acts it out.
To confound this:
a) ATPG balances games very differently to what I’m used to, and has a lot of creative mechanics twists that are hard to guess at.
b) The Scum team described above seems over-powered to me, since they practically control the lynch, and have two NKs as well.
So my assumptions are wrong, but I don’t know where.
I think all players can attack and defend, and possibly do other stuff, as Day actions. This includes Scum. I don’t think HP matters for the Scum NK, or a vig kill or anything like that. Some people might attack or defend or whatever as Night actions, and hit points may come into play there.
So that’s a lot of assumptions, and could be wrong on every point, but that’s the way I’m thinking at the moment.
I attacked Phere last night for some of these reasons. On the other hand, Pizza did emphasize that this could be played just like a normal Mafia game, which presumably means with Scum and everything, so I have no idea.