I’ve been lax in my read-giving. I probably won’t be giving many reads tonight, but I’ll try to do better as of tomorrow.
I like the inconsistencies that were pointed out about BobArrgh’s post about me, though.
@ People asking if I’m a double voter
I already told you all earlier. Go back and read.
@ Toejam or that guy that said something about absolutes.
I never said that all people who did it were scum, I said that it was a scum tactic, I probably should’ve added the (my) to it. Because it is, and I don’t trust it. I find it fair grounds to lynch you for it. That’s my 2 cents, and take it or leave it, I don’t particularly care.
I like all of this. I don’t think you’re likely to be Scum any more. Toneread. 
You’re wrong there.
Oh ok. My bad.
Here’s your two cents back.
you’ve got Town points for this post ( not that I have a bucket of them = and when I catch up it will probably have beeen said better)
the response to the double vote is a cop- out. I did not see where you addressed it.
Who are you quoting here, please
Because the “off-boarders” comment torques my tennis shoes. And I want to throw a rock at them.
I already said I have a double vote.
And I was quoting ToeJam.
of course not. haven’t you ever seen a game with one scum? that’s the benefit i get from playing in several boards. it keeps your mind open. i’ve been in games where private communication is not only allowed, it is encouraged. in fact if you don’t you’re considered suspicious. i’ve seen games that started with one scum, OMGUS is not taboo, players are encouraged to vote for a wagon, there is pot stirring and vote loading. there isn’t one correct way to play mafia nor one correct setup of mafia.
peek all you want. what is wrong with speculation about the number of scum? you can say that the way i did it was scummy or suspicious but just speculating? you really think differently. perhaps the only one harder to parse is meeko. i speculated more scum because it was still D1. after D1, based on the powers and a review of the color, i felt differently.
i don’t think there’s been a game where you haven’t voted for me. how many times have you been wrong? by this time i’d thought you’d have a better feel for my game, especially my town one. fortunately for you, many of us, including me, have been able to control our urges to vote you for your play because we’ve seen it before.
to answer your arguments:
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nothing wrong with speculating. players do it all the time. how do you know they don’t hold water? you mean i’m wrong on both 5 to 7 and 1? and you know this how?
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i already explained that. would you care to argue that her vote on fubbles was useful.
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i didn’t backpedal. i DIDN’T tell her to vote a wagon. quote the post that i did. you’re just twisting my words. i exhorted her to put a vote towards someone who might actually be lynched.
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the color WAS awesome. anytime a mod puts that much effort to entertain us, it deserves acknowledgment. i bet you thought it was great too but were too chicken to say so because it might seem like gloating or whatever suspicious crap you can call it.
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eager, sure. ever played with private communication allowed between all players? no? i thought so. if you haven’t and haven’t tried in this game, you’ll never understand. you’ll just be in among those players who think it’s suspicious without actually being able to say why.
even if i believe OMGUS votes are okay, i won’t do it now. you’ve been your usual townie playstyle.
I’m sure before this game is up, you’ll want to throw plenty more rocks at me- and plenty of them probably for reasons that have nothing to do with this game. 
If there was only one scum at the start of the game, why would they recruit a player that has already been lynched, as I said before, this would just be silly. If scum can recruit players then surely they would pick someone that most players believe are Town. I have only ever been recruited once and it wasn’t an obligatory recruitment, I could have declined but then I would have been killed at Dawn (all the freemasons could be recruited and they all went for it). If that is the case here and someone has been recruited that could, perhaps, explain why there was only one NK instead of two as there was on N1. Scum could have recruited instead of killing.
It does seem plausible that the traitor is using Lord Phere for his/her kills.
My most likely Townie list just seems to get longer,
Gaderene
Normal Phase
Astral Projection
Choie
Weedy
I would be quite happy to lynch a lurker at the moment, my reason for this is that although** Pizzamod **can kill them off and they are Town then we could possibly have 2 mislynches in one Day. I would rather be in control of who was lynched and not just leave it up to the Mod. I know that we could attack such a player but we haven’t managed to kill anyone that way yet and unless we reach some sort of consensus on who to attack, it’s not likely to succeed.
I didn’t mean to say it wasn’t correct, but I would have to change the way I thought about the game a lot. Scum have hardly any more information than Town, there is no one to protect, no one to bus. I have no idea how you would find a lone Scum. What kind of things do you look for?
I’d be interested in engaging in scholarly discussion with other Mages about the options they have for progression beyond the first class change. Please PM me if you can contribute.
Many thanks.
Now back to picking out a vote target - although I need to get back to jobhunting later.
I’d like to lynch one of the lower-posting players today, I think.
Ignoring people like Mahaloth and lilflower unless they turn up again, the least number of posts is Storyteller. (Not an edit – actually I think Believerer might have fewer, will do him next.)
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14937137#post14937137 – game class and game alignment are distinct things.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999562#post14999562 – is back, not sure if still alive
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999695#post14999695 – skimmed to catch up; asks if it’s known what pendants do, whether we actually know anything about death reveals; votes to avoid modkill
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999695#post14999695 –
questions Visor about need to kill off Mosier
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001671#post15001671 –
really interested in Visor’s thought process on why a tactical difference of opinion merits a lynch
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001681#post15001681 –
believes fubbles must be non-town given his mercenary offer
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001681#post15001681 –
asks him outright whether he is
(As an aside, “we’re non-judgmental” cracks me up. I tried that tack, Story, didn’t work. No third parties want to talk to me! Silly beasties. )
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003050#post15003050 –
giving fubbles a hard time about trying to claim townie-hood while disavowing any need to actually act like one
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003070#post15003070 –
wants people who voted Mosier the first time and aren’t doing so now to justify why not
This is not actually a bad topic to push on despite my own opinions. Besides me, Mosier’s voters were Lightfoot, SP, and gnarlycharlie.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003289#post15003289 – not comfortable putting a ton of stock in the color
Questions for Storyteller:
– Visor responded to your challenge of his vote on ToeJam. Comments?
– What do you actually mean by saying that fubbleskag has to negotiate?
On color: Pizza’s color does mean something, always. The trick – especially in a game where he’s promised to be a bit of a bastard – is to determine what. But if any townie expects me to believe that they are able to control Lord Phere to do stuff, well it’s pretty much getting to the point where I’m going to expect them to claim it. Because right now we have the following list of what Lord Phere has done:
Day One – placed three votes late in the day resulting in the lynch of new-guy Mosier over old hands Gadarene (top vote getter) and Astral Rejection (second place). Attacked ToeJam to the tune of 50 hp, the only time Lord Phere has been seen attacking someone during the day and the only time such an attack has not been fatal.
Night One – killed glee and Inner Stickler, one physically and one by magic
Day Two – placed a triple vote on Guiri early in the day, later changed that to Astral, still later retracted the triple votes and did not replace them. No attacks.
Night Two – killed Guiri (physically IIRC) and resurrected Mosier
I don’t see the triple vote or the deaths of Inner Stickler or Guiri as plausible to attribute to a town player at all. The low-power attack on ToeJam, maybe. The other two somewhere in the middle, but I still have issues.
And people should know that having two scum kills per night (as in night one, and hypothesizing the resurrection replaced the second kill last night) is very common where Pizza comes from, though it does suggest a smaller and highly powered scum team overall.
I just erased half my next post. Grrr.
I do, of course.
Pendant: MHaye
I don’t see any reason yet why other players should have it (especially since there’s a limit on items in inventory, so anyone voting an item to themselves is implicitly claiming to have less stuff than the maximum.)
I second this.
Guiri is the only player I know can contribute to the development of magical knowledge - but, being dead, I can’t talk to him. Unless someone has Speak with Dead available and would cast it on him?
I agree with this analysis. Any actions taken by Lord Phere in the game are dictated by players. The actions Phere takes are almost universally anti-Town (except where he executes the lynched player; that’s neutral in my eyes).
I remind you that, in a Clue Mafia on Giraffe, you were a second Mafia kill - something I’m still uncomfortable with as I feel giving the Mafia two kills per Night is a little overpowered.)
Believer’s actually at 14 posts, so Red Skeezix is next after all.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961130#post14961130 – crap, forgot game started, why did I lose 60 hp, because I didn’t vote?
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14960912#post14960912 – doesn’t like a post by PetW (“screams scum”) for encouraging townies to vote together and attack Lord Phere; plus a too-easy switch to Gadarene at the end. Votes PetW.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961130#post14961130 – snark at me
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961214#post14961214 – multiple responses to others’ posts.
To Inner: doesn’t have the information to account for the atypical 60 hp damage. Denies lurking as in following along but not posting; he would have voted then.
To Lightfoot “blanket smudge much?” for saying the pool of people not posting much at night will include scum.
To choie: “bite me” on a sort-of accusation of atypical behavior, and bringing up the 60 hp thing again.
To someone whose post he can’t find: attacking could provide information on other players.
To me: can’t be characterized as disappearing if he hasn’t even been around. Also, “bite me”.
To Weedy: actually he’s only scum 80% of the time and Weedy has never played with him as town so why should she even go down the road of agreeing with me that Red has been known to disappear as scum? Unvotes, votes Weedy.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961291#post14961291 – on attacks again, thinks it might catch scum in a lie
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961304#post14961304 – is just responding to comments; Gadarene might be right that Inner was town
(For context, both this post and one previous came after Inner’s death; Gadarene seemed to be questioning why Skeezix would bother to respond if Inner is dead and town.)
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961428#post14961428 – concedes that scum might have no need to lie about their role status (making attacks not useful for catching lies), argues death is not always the worst thing that can happen to a townie
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961501#post14961501 – scum alignment often enough for scum to lie (response to LF saying his previous post read as odd)
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961513#post14961513 – only just realized the good in the reveal is not the same as “town”; could the game get any more convuluted?
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961552#post14961552 – “bite me”
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961563#post14961563 – doesn’t like choie twice bringing up previous games as a comment on players in this one, only to discount it. Would put a vote on her as third choice if he had one to spare.
Questions for Red Skeezix: None.
I wish he could or would be around and play without being so clearly irritated by the whole process, but there’s nothing in here that really strikes me as scummy despite my insane levels of paranoia about him. I don’t like the single-day (all in the space of an hour or two IIRC) blast through the game with nothing ever anywhere else – in the context of his clear difficulty in playing scum roles at the moment and exasperation at getting given such roles so often (see the 80% comment), it’s very easy to see this as being what you get when a talented player gets YET ANOTHER role he just plain does not want to play. But there’s nothing that really rings false, either.
He’s due to be mod-killed tomorrow if he doesn’t turn up again and for now I’ll leave it at that, but it’s going to be very nearly shoot on sight if he does given he so obviously just wants nothign at all to do with the whole process.
Exactly – though I wasn’t thinking of it, he’s done double scum kills even in this group of players. New hypothesis: two night attacks possible from Phere, coming from two different people, though possibly (probably?) both scum. Which could mean that the attacks would change (keeping in mind the elemental alignment thingie) or even cease, should the right people die. I dont’ think this is likely to be a game that’s two kills (or replacement resurrections/whatever) all the way no matter what.
vote: PetW
Reading Red’s posts reminded me of my issues with him. There was something I wanted to add at one point and never got around to; will do that next before movign on. Need coffee. Damn me for being so lazy toDay.