One thing to note : it seems obvious, given ATPGs comments about trying to stay objective and not interfere with a running game, that the votes Lord Phere placed were ordered by a player (or group of players, but I’m going to talk in the singular). I don’t think there can be much doubt that the alignment of that player is anti-Town.
Taking that into account, a couple of Gadarene’s posts are interesting.
[post=14948819]Post 458[/post] : His analysis seems to omit one point. Gad is an experienced player, Mosier was in his first game. If Gad is indeed Town, and given that the three votes were Mafia aligned, why didn’t they take out the experienced player?
[post=14948939]Post 461[/post] : Suggests a reason for Town-aligned player to vote that way; not convincing because almost certainly any player who can order Phere is non-Town, and therefore the votes had a non-Town motivation.
It seems to me that, given Mosier was behind both Gadarene and Astral Rejection in the vote count, that if both those players were Town, the Mafia would have been better served taking out one of them. So that makes me suspicious of Gadarene.
I’m not sure how long it is until Dusk – I remember it was 10pm, but not of what day – I thought it was tomorrow. To take out insurance against being wrong, I’m going to register my suspicion of Gadarene for all to see.
I’m being the most forthcoming of anyone, so obviously I’m a good lynch.
Whatever. You guys have to get past your fear and paranoia; it doesn’t serve the town well at all. Why is no one else taking my point about Suburban, for instance? You’d rather lynch people who are posting than people who are being weirdly quiet. Ask Suburban why he’s still voting me and why he has ignored my post. ASK HIM.
This is probably pointless right at the moment, but I gotta be me.
I don’t believe for a second that this post was “quick thoughts”. Every inch of it looks carefully constructed for maximum impact.
And yet you have nothing actually to say at this point about my tone - anyone reading it would be left guessing what on earth you could possibly mean. You save that for later and don’t even much go into it then, focusing on just a single sentence. You’d think if this whole post was meant as anything other than a farewell “I’m townie, really – see how townie I am” thing, you’d manage to put the details of your suspicions front and center. You buried the lede, Astral.
Yeah, you’ve been “trying”. That’s the whole reason you’re suspicious. It all looks like “trying”. It doesn’t look like “being”.
Oh will he? Because I kinda wasn’t really thinking that way at all currently, to speak for at least one person. But OK, you mention it, now let’s see what you do with it.
OK, you think he’s town.
And you want to make damn sure we don’t forget it. What IS the reasoning for that, by the way – the reasoning that makes NEITHER of you the intended beneficiary of day one’s voting shenanigans? I don’t believe you’ve ever said. You let Gadarene catch all the flak.
Oh noes, not caution. Because Astral really thinks he’s town, guyz. Despite that he can’t stop talking about how everybody ELSE will think otherwise for such excellent reason.
Uh huh. You know, most townies would just say something along the lines of “I know the vote thing points as much to Gad as to me, but I really kinda think he’s been acting townie. I’m not in favor of his lynch, going forward.” Not all this pussy-footing about regarding how all-fired reasonable the suspicion is, and how you just know everybody’s going to be dying to discuss it – but just be cautious. You know. Because townie Astral has our best interests at heart and he wants to make sure you know it.
I don’t buy a word of this, Astral. It’s BS in a different way from choie. She got carried away and let her paranoia run wild. This from you is entirely calculated to remind people that Gadarene is suspicious without gettng the dirt on your hands.
For me, I still kinda think that he’s scum, assuming you are. But we’ll see.
You’ve yet to actually explain what these pairs are supposed to mean, nor did you ever respond to my criticism of your methodology. But that’s ok because it wasnt intended to mean anything, was it Astral? It was just a drive-by smudging of various players on whatever context you could dredge up.
I am leaning town on Lightfoot, and were YOU town I’d be interested in what you have to say that might make me think differently. But you cant’ even be bothered to say it.
I’d be happy as a clam to revisit realitytrip. Yay, we agree on something!
You don’t say. “Ultimately?” Really? This is not a spontaneous post. This is a prepared statement.
Mmm. Like you’re so very certain about me. I won’t argue this one, though; I know statements like mine rub people the wrong way at times. But good lord if that post of yours didn’t hit all the very same buttons that this one is doing.
Heh. No, it means I’ve watched too much The West Wing.
Astral, I feel like I’ve been bullyragged (is that a real word or am I conflating two different words?) into voting for you. If you’re Town, I’m very sorry in advance for letting pressure from others, especially others I find scummier than you, force my hand. But it’s my own fault more than theirs. I should’ve been a better advocate for my cause.
(Of course, it follows that if you’re scum, I shouldn’t get any credit for having voted you. Being pressured into doing the right thing doesn’t reflect well on me.)
You’re probably right that this wagon has been a distraction, though I hate to see any Townie lynched (well, not lynched, exactly, but whatever the equivalent in this game is… left behind to fight Phere, looks like). It will, at the very least, be informative.
On the plus side, as pizzaguy implied, Death is not the End. I’m really curious to see how that mechanic works. Very curious indeed. (Especially if I’m the next one to go and thus may benefit from it!)
Oh. Because last night I thought it was today, but then Guiri responded to a PM and said Monday. But then everyone’s been acting like it was today after all so heck if I know. I just asked Pizza.
My inbox gets full when I don’t attend to it, if you EVER run into a situation where my inbox is full, email me at askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com and identify yourself by Straight Dope handle and express your orders that way.
Sorry I haven’t been active yesterday or today, work has been kicking my butt. Just skimmed the past couple pages. I’m going to try to get to a computer tomorrow and get caught up.
As long as I’m here I feel like some baseless speculation about the color. I remember someone wanted to know how likely it was that the color means anything and I don’t know if anyone responded. IMO it is very likely that it does. Maybe even to the point of adding direct clues to the game’s solution, though if history is any guide, those clues will be missed by absolutely everybody. At any rate:
OK first just some speculation about color. I’m trying very hard not to run afoul of the no-handshaking rule, but I don’t think it’s crossing any line to observe that not all alignments in a typical role PM are the same color, right? Good is blue, for instance (write-ups), but elements are various colors and so on.
The King is referred to as Green pre-transformation, while (see below), the various border areas are
Teal (North)
Red (West, suggested as especially dangerous), and
Black (South, suggested as rather anarchic).
So the location of the conflict is the anarchic South, but the main antagonists (or antagonist, though I do expect a more or less traditional scum team despite the grammar) may be linked to the red West. (or maybe not – see below) One of them – the mastermind – is not an outsider, though, suggesting some kind of godfather. Perhaps this person will show Alignment: town to anyone trying to find out, maybe they’ll always turn up good and/or lawful even if they’re murdering every night, maybe something else, I don’t know.
[Actually this just occurred to me, but in a game I just ran recently, which Pizza played in, I had a serial killer who got to kill by proxy (controlling someone else), therefore remaining undetected in that way to any watchers, trackers, roleblocker and so on (I didn’t have a detective.) This game has an explicit and open proxy in the form of Lord Phere. So maybe that’s it or part of it.]
Ok, this fits with what Visor and Gad have said about the third party victory condition. This indigo color faction is more or less townies, but with the unfortunate failing of valuing their own skin too highly.
The basic town. Just get rid of the bad guys. Blue faction.
I have no idea who these guys are nor any idea how their win condition(s) might relate to town’s, but the suggestion is maybe one or two PFKs or quasi-PFKs; plus others who just need to get rid of each other. Color green for all of them.
And the traitor’s faction shown in red.
Now here’s where it gets confusing, the overlap between factions and nationality. I don’t know where to go from here without running afoul of handshaking rules. But It may actually be probable that the traitor’s allies come from all over and could be superficially in any given faction.
It’s bizarre that the “original” D1 runner-up got their first vote 300 posts into the Day, the second one almost 100 posts later and then got 7 more, including mine, in the space of 32 posts. I suspect the seal thing may be confirmation bias, having a vote leader may have been sufficient catalyst.
Fair enough, you gave me the impression that Fubbles was the next best thing to voting scum as you didn’t find anyone scummy. I don’t need to give you advice on who from your list you should be voting for. Just a comment on NAF, he said he’d be unable to play until D3 due to RL stuff, and Believerer only ever posted once to sign-up after sign-ups had closed so it’s possible he was an auto-replacement for Drain and may not even be aware of it.