Mafia Reunion Day 4

[Hawkeyeop]

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

Bullshit. The only time I’ve made a vote on someone who voted for me was my vote for Meeko. Anyone can see what a bullshit vote he made.

Hmm I thought there were more. Will have to go back an check.

As for the rest of what you said: sure, I try to think like scum, and worry about what scum might be worrying about. Because raising those questions are what enables us to find scum, or to point us in the direction of determining who scum is. That’s… essentially how I play this game as town. Scum don’t need to raise these questions in the general thread, because they can talk this shit out amongst themselves on their private boards.

Sure you can ask fellow scum, but there are areas such as switches where the town has more info. More to the point, you need to talk about something during the day, and it makes sense to talk about what you are thinking about.

[TexCat]

Happy Birthday, PlumPudding!

[NAF1138]

@Hoopy_Frood

If both lynch leaders tie, but the tie is enough to meet the second lynch threshold, will both leaders be lynched automatically, or is random.org still going to come into play?

That’s an exciting question and I for one would be interested to see just exactly which two players would die if this happened!

Wanna try it?

[Pleonast]

@storyteller0910

Day Three will end at 3:00PM Eastern Time on Sunday afternoon, February 5, or in slightly less than 48 hours. On account of important sporting events, the Day will end very promptly if I have any influence on it. Expect Dusk to have a distinctly football-ish color to it. Please submit any and all Day actions before this date and time.

Deja vu! We get another Day 3 lynch!

And I’m not sure what time zone storyteller0910 is in, but I count more than 48 hours until Dusk.

@Meeko

Oh, we are voting Sake Squid?
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Meh.
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Vote Squid

Surely you can set your verbosity level somewhere between 1% and 110%?

Please tell us why you voted.

Which reminds me:

@Plumpudding

Kinda OOG: Hey Thing Fish, this reminds me of something;)

And for some reason, maybe it’s sentimental, it makes me see paulwhoisaghost in a bit of a more townie light. Still an off smell though, but that may be for a plethora of reasons.

@Prof. Pepperwinkle: Have you begun on the task I presented you with? I haven’t had time or energy to begin myself. I probably won’t have until Saturday. Just wondering if you forgot, since you’ve started reading everything anew.

SNF - has to be connected to booze, somehow…

Hmmm… FOS on Ender24.

You know what, I’ve been liking the case on Pleo since Day 1, and he has only reinforced that since then.
**
vote Pleonast**

For now*

Sorry guys, I’m super tired, rehersal today blew my mind, I’m pretty drunk and I don’t think I’ll be of much more use tonight. I’ll read along for a bit. If someone for some reason wants me to resond I’ll consider it, but I’ll sayonara for now.

*Pleo, if you want something to argue against, I’ll provide later in the week. Provided I don’t find a better vote in the meantime.

So, did you ever explain exactly what the case against me you liked was? It’s quite possible I missed it if you did, so please link to it. Otherwise, please justify your vote on me.

@TexCat

When we can’t seem to tell the difference between scum and town, how do you propose we tell the difference between mafia and wolves? I just don’t see the point in discussing it, and can’t imagine why you do.

I strongly agree with this. We lynch our best shot at Scum. There’s no point to arguing what flavor of Scum they are.

@Hawkeyeop

Booz’s posts, especially early were filled with posts discussing scum logistics and makeup, scum role strategy, switches, and third parties. Now these aren’t unhelpful topics for town, but they aren’t going to be a townie’s main focus. As a scum, pondering the two scum team setup, third party roles, and switches are more pressing concerns.

I’m perfectly happy with Boozahol Squid’s lynch, but you are wrong in this quote. Players should be more concerned with the capabilities of their opponents. Figuring out how to counter Scum is the best thing we can talk about. It makes us aware of possible gambits they may take. And it forces Scum to talk about things they know that we don’t. (Hence the mistake Thing Fish made.)

@snfaulkner

Then they pretend to talk about it in public.

Exactly. Players talking about Scum but showing little concern about them is one of those things we can catch them on.

@Hawkeyeop

Sure you can ask fellow scum, but there are areas such as switches where the town has more info. More to the point, you need to talk about something during the day, and it makes sense to talk about what you are thinking about.

And why would a Townie be thinking about other Town? Unless you’re a power role thinking about your own actions, there is little reason for Townies to think about their own team. Scum is what we should be looking for, and Scum is what we should be thinking about, and Scum is what we should be talking about.

[NAF1138]

DAY THREE VOTE COUNT
As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error.

Boozahol Squid (7)
Captain Klutz (45), EnderW24 (102), Biotop (180), snfaulkner (192), Hooker Chemical (262), DiggitCamera (288), Meeko (302), Hawkeyeop (320)

Prof. Pepperwinkle (3)
Pleonast (121), Nanook (152), bufftabby (197)

DiggitCamara (3)
Paulwhoisaghost (20), Totallost (172), GuiriEnEspana (263)

Khameleon (2)
Johnny Bravo (26), Prof. Pepperwinkle (154)

Hal Briston (2)
Plumpudding (298), Hockey Monkey (305)

Hooker Chemical (1)
Lakai (46)

Meeko (1)
Boozy (314)

TexCat(1)
Hoopy Frood (315)

*“Hey, paulwhoisaghost and AngelOfTheNorth, get a room!” – Anonymous contest winner. *

**ToDay, the top vote getter will die of course. The second vote getter will die if he/she reaches 14 votes. Story seems like he will be ending the Day right exactly on time so, be prompt with your actions!

The Day will end on Sunday at 3:00 Eastern.

Here is a countdown to that time.**

[Inner_Stickler]

Diggit mentioned this quote of Boozahol’s back in his case earlier toDay:

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

I don’t think Lakai seems particularly scummy, but I never really begrudge a Day One vote. This is a mighty fast turn-around, though, at the very end of the day. At least some of this cavalcade smells of garlic or needs a full-body wax.

Reading it again, I get a real scummy vibe off it. He distances himself from the Lakai lynch, but doesn’t argue against it and then generically smudges everyone who voted after whatever he decides is the very end of the day. Vague, smudgey and wishy-washy.

Vote Boozahol Squid

I’m not over Prof. P though and in the unlikely event that we actually manage to get within reaching distance of utilizing the multilynch, I could be persuaded to move my vote.

[raventhief]

@NAF1138

DAY THREE VOTE COUNT
As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error.

Boozahol Squid (7)
Captain Klutz (45), EnderW24 (102), Biotop (180), snfaulkner (192), Hooker Chemical (262), DiggitCamera (288), Meeko (302), Hawkeyeop (320)

Prof. Pepperwinkle (3)
Pleonast (121), Nanook (152), bufftabby (197)

DiggitCamara (3)
Paulwhoisaghost (20), Totallost (172), GuiriEnEspana (263)

Khameleon (2)
Johnny Bravo (26), Prof. Pepperwinkle (154)

Hal Briston (2)
Plumpudding (298), Hockey Monkey (305)

Hooker Chemical (1)
Lakai (46)

Meeko (1)
Boozy (314)

TexCat(1)
Hoopy Frood (315)

*“Hey, paulwhoisaghost and AngelOfTheNorth, get a room!” – Anonymous contest winner. *

**ToDay, the top vote getter will die of course. The second vote getter will die if he/she reaches 14 votes. Story seems like he will be ending the Day right exactly on time so, be prompt with your actions!

The Day will end on Sunday at 3:00 Eastern.

Here is a countdown to that time.**

Story seems like he wants to end the Day early.

[Biotop]

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

You can’t take all people voting for someone out of their potential pool of voting candidates. There are a half dozen people who voted for me before Meeko today (much less the past three days) that I’m not voting for. That’s because I’m not placing a vote on Meeko for voting for me, I’m voting for him for placing such a bad vote. The fact that it was on me is irrelevant (well, not entirely so, but mostly) to my decision to vote for him. It’s the scummiest thing anyone’s done today. Do you disagree?

I don’t like **Meeko **'s explanation-free vote and I struggle to understand much of what he has been doing this game. I have never played in a game with **Meeko **before. Other than this vote on you, what else do you see that makes **Meeko **scummy as opposed to…different?

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

@paulwhoisaghost

I agree it’s unconventional, but I thought it was effective. I engaged him to give him more rope to hang himself with. IMO that’s what he did with it.

What did I learn from the exercise? He’s overly compliant, but even when doing a pretty specific vote analysis, he comes back with no opinion of his own until pressed. Even then his own analysis pretty much said “I didn’t find anything useful”.

So then I thought, maybe he is just struggling with this game. So I asked him about his previous game experience. And he complied again, but left out a recent game he was in. He says they all blur together, but he was able to recall other games based on specific details.

So… IMO… the whole thing was effective because it gave me more material by which to evaluate Prof. Angel’s gut or no… it’s too much as a whole for me to conclude that he’s just struggling. I would be voting for him, but I’d rather see a Diggit lynch and it seems that idea is picking up support.

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So, the whole thing was a ruse, then? I spent 3+ hours just to be mocked? Or did YOU find anything useful in those pages of data?

But, why vote for me when you figure the Wolves will NK me, right?

I realize I’m getting votes for being noncombative, compliant, funny, helpful, &c. &c. &c., but that’s how I play and that’s who I am.

Regarding not remembering past games? Why should I? I don’t really need that kind of trivia of a day-to-day basis. I try to stay focused in this game.

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

@raventhief

Story seems like he wants to end the Day early.

Superbowl Sunday in the USA.

[Hawkeyeop]

@Pleonast

I’m perfectly happy with Boozahol Squid’s lynch, but you are wrong in this quote. Players should be more concerned with the capabilities of their opponents. Figuring out how to counter Scum is the best thing we can talk about. It makes us aware of possible gambits they may take. And it forces Scum to talk about things they know that we don’t. (Hence the mistake Thing Fish made.)

These aren’t mutually exclusive things. An action can both be helpful towards town and more likely to have been done by a scum.

[Zeriel]

Catching up, was on unexpected work travel in the early part of the week with no opportunity. I’m hoping to have some kind of preliminary vote analysis but I’m also having trouble adapting my model to the idea of two scum teams.

[Zeriel]

On initial read of the day:

I was already previously happy with both the multilynch and the Prof as a scum candidate.

vote Prof Pepperwinkle

[raventhief]

@Prof.Pepperwinkle

Superbowl Sunday in the USA.

I meant because Story said yesterday that there was a little less than 48 hours left. I am pretty sure we still have more than 48 left now, almost a day later.

[Pleonast]

@Hawkeyeop

These aren’t mutually exclusive things. An action can both be helpful towards town and more likely to have been done by a scum.

I understand. I am denying that talking about Scum is more likely done by Scum. It’s more likely done by Town.

And talking about Town is more likely to be done by Scum. Because they have a lot to gain while we do not.

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

There are 21 votes out of a possible 39. If Scum cast late votes it won’t matter because Town will be casting a lot of late votes as well, if this trend continues.

[GuiriEnEspana]

@Johnny_Bravo

Hm, maybe. It’s WIFOM territory because it’s true - all of the absent players are breaking the game. The lack of participating players makes it all but impossible to get a multi-lynch and I feel like we have more to gain than to lose by using it, especially yesterDay, when we were forced to take care of Idle.

Well, it was D2, and there were 8 non-votes, on D3 there were just 2, one of whom did vote but it was not counted due to format. ToDay no-one is at risk of being mod-killed so I disagree with your take on things.

@DiggitCamara

Point 3 and 4 are important. Since Scum aren’t as wary as they have been in other games, they WILL and HAVE declared someone to be town without qualms. Witness both Thing Fish and jsgoddess doing it… jgoddess even defended Thing Fish ferchrissakes!

Not sure about doing it without qualms - they’ll need to have extra strong reasons to vote those players who were previously on their town leans list, and as the game progresses, while usually town would have better reads on people and therefore stronger leans, they should become more reserved and conservative - so it would be careless to go throwing names around early on, but heck, I’m not going to discourage it!

@DiggitCamara

I still believe we have to do SOMETHING about the LUTHA cult. I also believe snfaulkner is very probably scum. But since no one else has backed me on that regard, I won’t fixate on the accusation.

I was with you on SNF, just after you’d unvoted, as were Texcat and Koldanar.

@DiggitCamara

which is a typical (to me) freudian slip by scum when a probable lynch involves someone they know is not on their team. Therefore, my call (so far) would be:

What’s the slip? Garlic & waxing?

@snfaulkner

Nice catch! I was already wary of Khameleon, but this puts her in the solidly scum lean column. I will vote for her if needed.

What does the “if needed” mean, do you find her more solidly scummy than Boozy? Or that you’re vote is fluid? Boozy, Diggit or Koldonar are fine.

@snfaulkner

I might be persuaded to go onto Diggit if needed for the 2nd lynch. There is still plenty of Day left, however.

@Hoopy_Frood

Do you disagree with my numbers? Do you disagree that when a scum team is leading the other team they don’t need to worry as much about killing the other team at that point? Do disagree that if we are at LYLO with the currently winning scum team, we can lose the game by lynching the other scum?

If you disagree, why?

If you don’t, then why reiterate my post and spin it as if I’m being scummy?

It’s the words you used. Mislynch is a bad thing, so applying it lynching scum is strange. Lynching one type of scum being better than the other also struck me as strange when we need to remove them all to win.

The rest of your post then goes on to overturn that and says we should vote wolves - as if we were choosing not to:

• lynching wolves helps mafia
• it’s better if mafia try to kill wolves
• it’s better for us to try to lynch mafia
• eliminating wolves helps town (one less kill, mafia need to fake-hunt)
• it’s good to put pressure on wolves by voting them
• wolves will need to kill mafia to stay in the game
• mafia don’t need to focus on wolves
• if we keep pressure on wolves, they will take out mafia
• lynching mafia directly is better in the short term
• lynching wolves is bad in the short term but forces them to kill mafia

I agree that a lylo we would need to consider this and tread carefully, if we have that luxury.

[GuiriEnEspana]

@raventhief

This is a weird vote to me.

You feel weird to me. Who do you want to lynch toDay?

[Hoopy_Frood]

@TexCat

When we can’t seem to tell the difference between scum and town, how do you propose we tell the difference between mafia and wolves? I just don’t see the point in discussing it, and can’t imagine why you do.

As time goes on and we get more info, we likely will begin to tell the difference between mafia and wolves, through voting patterns, interactions, and detective reveals. There probably will come a time where it’s going to matter from which side we choose to lynch. Especially because the only thing we seem to have right now is the lynch if the vig is truly leashed.

Since when is discussing long term plans a bad thing? Am I supposed to have waited until later in this game to bring it up? What if I’m dead before then? What time do you think it should be brought up?

Or do you think it’s a bad idea to discuss this in general? If so, why?

You too, Pleonast. Since you agree with her, why do you think it’s so bad?

@NAF1138

That’s an exciting question and I for one would be interested to see just exactly which two players would die if this happened!

Wanna try it?

I rest my case on why tie votes are bad.

Q.E.D.

[GuiriEnEspana]

@TexCat

@Hoopy & Guiri: I find the discussion about whether it’s better to lynch mafia or wolves a little disingenuous since we’ve only managed to lynch town so far. Clearly either one, or even 3P, would be better than we’ve done so far.

What Hoopy said. Is there a list of acceptable topics?

@sinjin

When I find someone scummy I tend to stick with that feeling until something changes my mind. I did not jump on any bandwagon. I found Toejam suspicious on N1. I backed off of ToeJam when he claimed, but still found him suspicious. Sue me. As for Idle I thought it was better to vote him off the island than have him mod killed, so sue me again.

I have no desire to sue you but did you at least comment on the competing cases - apart from trusting crys and sache, other bandwagons, raise other suspicions? Or did you find a nice comfy seat and park yourself?

@Koldanar

3p killer lynched? Yes, but at this point in the game, that would also be a mislynch. We don’t know what their win condition could be other than the usual SK stuff. Even a second lynch on a SK right now wouldn’t be the greatest - 39 players, 12 scum, 5 (possible) lutha, and a sk. 21 townies alive, then? We need scum dead, plain and simple.

Really depends on the SK wincon but they are usually win stealing and don’t care if they kill town or scum.

@Khameleon

I wasn’t even thinking about being night killed as my focus was entirely on preventing myself from getting lynched. I have no control over whether I’m night killed or not but can try and defend myself from a lynch. Plus if I had been night killed the post would have been irrelevant anyway.

Well, it works both ways. If you’re town, there’s a vig, and who knows what other killing powers out there, so a response could have been relevant.