I still think we get more info from trying to get 2 scum lynches rather than a scum and 3P lynch. Unless you think they are lying scum, I don’t think a 3P lynch is going to gain us anything other than that they are telling the truth about their alignment. It doesn’t address their wincon, I highly doubt the mods would make it so easy/hard for all of the cultists be revealing whether they are hostile or not, but let’s just ask and see if we get anything useful.
** If a third party dies, will their death reveal include any information about their hostility? I.e. “Sachertorte - Hostile Third Party Cultist” or “Sachertorte - Nonhostile Third Party”. Also, what color will you be using for 3P reveals?**
Have we earned the right to use two lynches? Note, I didn’t say the ability. I’m simply asking, if we take the risk, is there…is there a reason to do so?
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How can we be sure that our votes will split up that way? Slight Ping on TL here.
If this was a regular-sized game, we would definitely be looking at some players just because they are famed scum-hunters and haven’t been killed yet. But this game, being 3 times the size of a regular one, may warrant this takes a later look. Especially since Scum have gotten unreasonably lucky with their kills of power roles.
Anybody think we need to be looking at this? Or is it really too soon?
Like I’ve been saying on D2, I’m good with putting pressure on the cultists with the threat of a lynch. I would be very happy with a 2nd lynch on Sachertorte, but I doubt town’s ability to work together and make any second lynch happen.
For the moment, at the beginning of the day:
vote Khameleon for the reasons I outlined in D3#1028 and D3#1041. I never got any response from him and I would like one.
Good question, and I’m not sure I know the answer. They (scums) do seem to be taking out the top yappers and solid players pretty consistently…but with so many to choose from…yeah, might be too early.
If you guys want to spend time trying to herd cats, go right ahead. Unless I get more info, I still think it’s pretty early to be lynching a 3P who claimed unprovoked and has given no further reason for us to be suspect of them. Especially when there is a fresh abundance of information and plenty of people who have given us reason to suspect them and haven’t claimed. What do we gain by lynching Sachertorte? Further evidence the cultists are telling the truth and partial conformation that Crys can be trusted to work with town (Pending whether or not we get hostile/nonhostile on reveal). So lets walk this out a little, we Lynch Sachertorte and on reveal learn that he was Non-hostile 3rd Party (I’m using this reveal possibility because it would be the best case scenario for town, or worst case because we just wasted a lynch. That would mean that we can pretty much trust that Crys and the other cultists are not a threat to town and can be trusted to work in town’s favor. If scum dont want the cultists dead now, they would definitely want them dead at that point. It would be the closest thing we have to a confirmed town, a logic confirmed nonhostile 3P that we can trust is working for town… might as well be town IMO. So I think anything we gain by a 3P lynch at this point is going to be quickly cancelled out by scum.
If you go the other route and walk out the logic with a hostile reveal, then all factions are going to need the cultists dead, which means that we have to use another lynch on Crys or rely on scum to kill Crys. I don’t think scum would use a kill on Crys in that scenario, because it puts town in a position where they definitely need to get rid of the cult. Further, by speeding up this process you prevent cultists from being discovered through the course of the game because no one in their right mind is going to claim at that point. So all the cultists will remain in hiding mode and we are no better off then we were except that we solved a problem that is just as bad for scum as it is for town by removing 2 of the cult.
All in all, with the info we have, I don’t see why we should waste a Lynch when it doesn’t give town a boost to our wincon. I also continue to see scum motivation for wanting the 3P lynched, so that town won’t be using that lynch on their team, so that they gain more info on the Cultists, and so that they don’t have to use a kill to do it.
Please address these points if you intend to move forward with this idea of using the second lynch on a claimed 3P, otherwise I am not ok with it.
@Mafia and Wolves, you know… if you killed one of the claimed 3P, it solves a problem for all of us, still forwards your wincon, and if they are revealed to be hostile, everyone and their mother would want to lynch the remaining claimed 3P. Maybe you have had other fish to fry seeing as the most recent kill deaths seem to have included our Doc, a cross kill, and a mason… but you have quite the lead on town… and mafia especially are in the lead… I think you could afford to use a kill to get more info than you have… for all you know, the cult could be the opposing scum team running a gambit. Are you gonna let them outshine you?
I didn’t say no one should want to lynch Prof. I said that I was against lynching him and explained why. I wanted to make my position clear early on in the Day and explain my contrary stance to yesterDay, where at one point I was fine with a Prof P lynch.
NOT VOTING 8 players: Daphne Black, crys75, Hal Briston, Idle Thoughts, Khameleon, precambrianmollusc, Sario, Winston Smith
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Not just the top vote getter, not the top two, but the top FOUR vote getters Day One were town. If there were scum jumping, it was likely to be to get on a viable candidate that wasn’t going to flip town at Dusk.
Either of these would work, but we need 14 for the second lynch…that means 15 for the first lynch or 29 of 39. Not much leeway for non-voters or one-off voters.
I was a big proponent of lynching ProfP yesterDay, but given his cross-voting with ToeJam and JSGoddess, I’m inclined to think he’s not a wolf. He could very easily be mafia, but I’m willing to give him a temporary pass for the time being.
Do you not think that extra day death could be attributed to LUTHA? It certainly has to be some 3P. Your continued defense of LUTHA leads me to suspect that you might be a cultist.
Huh? Meeko, can you do everyone a favor and go look at D1 will all the blue and red we now have on the players list and see if you can dig up some suspects? Why bring up earning a second lynch if you aren’t trying to earn it. We have two lynches available, that means we have a chance to knock out two scum if we get it right. Town is not in a position to turn down a double or nothing deal… and it’s not even double or nothing… we could mislynch our main candidate and hit scum with the second lynch in theory… and right now you are arguing theory. And regardless of the results of the lynches, it adds to the info garnered from the lynch.
Go hunt scum, then come back and talk mechanics, policy, and strategy. Please.
You have the potential to be brilliant at this game. If you are town, find your groove, get in it, and stay there until the scum off you. So far you are playing like a scum or 3P and don’t seem to have much motivation to forward town’s wincon.
If you really are VT as you claim, why aren’t your guns blazing? You have nothing to lose. You complain about feeling disenfranchised… I don’t get it. To me a motivated VT is way more useful to town than a doc or even a cop. Why? Scum wants power roles dead, they can afford to wait on killing players they think are VT for now. So as long as VT season is closed you should be as aggressive as possible and hope you stumble on something worthy enough for scum to want you dead. You aren’t showing me that.
“Fight’s commenced. Get to fighting or get away!”- anyone care to guess?
You forget that we have a mixed population of players old and current. Many came out of retirement for this game alone. And what you say discounts that we have scum hunting scum in this game, and Lynch would be preferable to using a kill. Both of these info points will skew any results that analysis would give. If there is a time for this, I don’t think it’s now.
Not just the top vote getter, not the top two, but the top FOUR vote getters Day One were town. If there were scum jumping, it was likely to be to get on a viable candidate that wasn’t going to flip town at Dusk.
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I’ve been saying this since I subbed in. That I think there is scum in the pool of players who jumped off the Colby wagon. Specifically because I think they wouldn’t want that tarnish on their vote record.
Why do you think that? A Wolf on the Colby wagon knows he is not a Wolf sure, but doesn’t know he isn’t a Mafia, and vice versa. Why would you jump off one person you know isn’t on your team for someone else that you know isn’t on your team? This isn’t standard mafia, and a lot of traditional scum hunting ideas don’t hold water.
I completely agree with you regarding lynching third party. It’s absolutely ridiculous to even consider right now. The odds of the death reveal saying something like non-hostile is sub 1%, and there’s still way too many Days still to go to worry about them win stealing.