I’m pretty sure I have already said this, but for the record I am not a cultist. Is it possible LUTHA are responsible for the extra Day death on D3? Yes. But if so, they took out a wolf… they couldn’t have known it was a wolf when they targeted, but maybe they had reason to suspect the target was scum. We’re either of the Daykills proponents of lynching 3P? I will have to go back and check. But with scum getting killed, I think it boosts scum incentive to find out who else is out there killing town is just as in the dark as ever, scum just had a wake up call. I expect a lot more people being vocal about wanting to lynch 3P now. In a game this size, it’s a marathon, not a sprint… everyone is chomping at the bit for info that town can afford to wait for. This is the third Day this topic has been a prominent discussion point. Stop wasting time and put your money where you mouth is or move on. I stated my opinion on the matter as clearly as possible. Until someone goes and does some scum hunting and comes back with a potential lynch candidate AND THEN advocates using the second lynch on 3P, I’m not going to suddenly agree. I’ll just get pinged and see the potential scum motivation behind it. I can’t stop anyone from lynching the 3P, if you are so for it, why isn’t your vote on one of them?
I still don’t want to lynch a 3rd party. But I do have to FOS Crys for yesterDay.
You’ve stated you’re non hostile. You’ve stated that your intention is to help Town. But you place a vote on me simply because I questioned your story’s legitimacy and then checked out the rest of the Day. That’s not helping Town. That’s being lazy.
Sorry to see you go Angel and ToeJam.
I voted for ToeJam on Day 1. But each day I became more and more convinced you were Town. Alas.
I’m a bit surprised that ToeJam actually was truthful. He was almost certainly self protecting last Night, so he was probably a victim of the Hitman. Angel was probably the wolf kill, so again there was no vig kill. It looks like our vig is indeed out of action.
I’m happy to do two lynches toDay, but I am definitely not happy to make one of them a claimed cultist, for the reasons that I, and others, have already said.
For now, I will redo my vote from yesterDay: Vote Boozahol Squid
Vote HookerChemical for the reasons mentioned above. I added our fallen Angel’s posts to show she supported the idea and because she can no longer post to support it toDay.
If we can drum up participation I’m pro double lynch for the same reason I’m pro vigs killing whenever possible. Town directed kills are better than Non-town kills.
Given that every suspect from day 1 was town, I’d expect to scum to divide their votes. I need to go over the vote records, but would consider it a minor town cred to share votes with the wolves. Of course there are two scum types, and it won’t say anything about the other one.
Crys: I might have missed it, but did you ever investigate and confirm Sachertorte?
While I’m afraid I don’t entirely agree with your vote, I’m now convinced of the don’t-kill-the-cultists idea. Even with two scum taken down yesterday, we’ve lost most of our town power roles, and I’m starting to think that the luxury of killing a cultist is starting to slip away from us. I think that using two lynches in an attempt to hit scum is going to be the best idea, even if I am fairly sure that the odds are still in favor of one of them being another Townie. We still do have the numbers to do that and win.
I have no idea if it’s likelier that the Vig killed ToeRoosh or if he went after someone else and the Hitman redirected the kill onto him. I’m not what other than self protecting a Doc in Rooshjam’s situation would be.
That leaves a Wolf kill on Angel, which I admit looks like a real smear on me. Why would the wolves want to do that? Well, I imagine because it’s an attempt to save one of their own: which means I’m thinking the most obvious candidate is Prof.Pepperwinkle.
Two players really pinged me at the end-of-day yeterDay.
In Post 882, Idle flamed out, posting a screenshot which effectively proved his townliness. Once he did that, he was all-but-confirmed, and was likely going to be modkilled if he wasn’t lynched.
He did that late enough in the Day that it likely wasn’t going to save him, having a pretty good lead in the vote count. Still, better to lynch an unknown than a known-town, so I (and several others) unvoted him. However, we also had these two:
1: PlumPudding unvoted Idle in Post 889, but then revoted him a half-hour later in Post 897.
2: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies voted for him in Post 917.
In both these cases, we had players voting for town. Did he deserve a vote before posting that screenshot? Absolutely – I didn’t beleive a word of his claim. But once he made that post, he was as close as known town as one can be without specific mod confirmation. So to PlumPudding and ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, I would love an explanation – why would you vote for town knowing that he was town? Alternately, did you have some reason to think his claim was in some way false?
There are no redirects in this game. (Barring possible third party, but any compulsory killing role in the same game as a redirector is bastard.)
The Hitman/Outrider are essentially assassins with a significant limit to their powers. It doesn’t matter what’s actually done to the target under protection of a doctor. The target can have no one other than the Hitman/Outrider and one or more doctor type roles targeting it, and all the doctors will die. A self-protecting doctor will die by extension of this. All protections on the target are successful, but the doctors themselves die.
So the Hitman/Outrider aren’t killing their target. Their killing the protector of their target. If that protector happens to be the target himself, well, the target dies. But only because they self-protected. They are not redirecting anything.
Wait, what? I might be a bit preoccupied at the moment, but I’m not sure I follow this. Angel was town and defending prof, wolves killed angel in order to protect a wolfen prof? I think if prof was a wolf, they would want to keep angel alive as long as possible defending him…right?
I can’t speak for them, but if they were anything like me…I was d-o-n-e DONE with Idle at that point, and had no interest in following any links he might post. I didn’t know he posted a screenshot until someone else said so, and can safely say I wouldn’t care. That’s inadmissible evidence IMO. In the last game at GB, when he was mod-killed, he started a thread about his modkill while the game was still ongoing and implored active players to come comment on the active game, in an thread outside of the game. I wasn’t having any of that either. I wasn’t voting for him during his game, but my help wasn’t needed there, and I had zero problems with him being yesterDay’s lynch. I think it’s kinda crummy that you would try to take anybody to task for not unvoting him after he posted a gd mf screenshot. That’s so outside the spirit of the game to do in the first place.
So your case is that for an unknown reason the wolves decided that Pleo needs to go and were mounting a campaign against him in order to get him lynched? And that the “suspicions” of two known scum means anyone else that was also suspicious makes them scummy? If you had knowledge of Pleo alignment I could see this case, but even then you can’t seriously think all the wolves are at play here? If so, that would make Pleo a pretty big deal for them, and if that’s the case, why is he still alive?
I trust Angel’s instincts, but I would think she would use this as a reason to take a closer look at someone, not as the sole justification for their lynch.
I counter your argument with an alternate and IMO more likely scenario. Thingfish had a problem with Pleo because Pleo had him red handed in possession of PIS.( I still the case was weak, but it was right… so what do I know? The real point here is that TF KNOW Pleo was right and TF had to do something about it right?) So what does he do? He turns the argument around in a very confusing manner, and when he garners a few people not on his team who are also voicing suspicion of Pleo, it becomes safe enough for a teammate to lend a hand. Thus JSGoddess joins the scene. Meanwhile, you’ve got town hunting all scum and mafia hunting town and wolves… so everyone is voicing suspicions and some honest suspicions are coming from everyone. We have reason to. So we are voicing suspicions and it benefits scum sometimes and they capitalize on that… that doesn’t make us wolves, or scum in general…
You think Hooker is a wolf? Show me more. Right now your vote reads to me as mafia trying to use capitalize on their recent FU to the wolves by pushing poor logic and voting in the pool that was suspicious of Pleo. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out that you are mafia, and Pleo is town, and since the wolves doubled up on him, and he’s not on your team, that makes him likely town and a safe place to act as a guardian.
If you think hooker is scum, show me why… back this up with something else he has posted that reinforces your case. It’s D4, there are plenty of posts to go through… surely there must be more.
If you are town, you can do better than this.
If you are scum, well… you can do better than this.
I’m not doing that at all. This has nothing to do with people who didn’t unvote him – it’s about the two people who actively voted for him even though he was as close to confirmed town as can be. That just a special kind of messed up to me.
Right, right. I know that technically it’s not a redirect, but practically it serves as one, because it only works if a kill is coming at a target, and the result of that kill means that the doc dies, not the target of the original kill.