Mafia Reunion - Day One

[Suburban_Plankton]

@septimus

I’m still suspicious of Colby11, but I’ll cast a vote for the other top suspect:

Vote Johnny Bravo

The “other top suspect”? By whose reckoning is Johnny Bravo the “other top suspect”? the vote count as of septimus’ post:

Colby - 9
septimus - 6
ToeJam - 3
Lakai 3
Normal - 2
Angel - 2
7 people - 1

If there’s an “other top suspect” it would be septimus himself (though I suppose that asking for a self-vote is a bit much…). If not him, then *maybe ***ToeJam **or Lakai…but I fail to see how Johnny Bravo, tied for 7th place with 1 vote, qualifies here as a “top suspect”.

I have no particular problem with the fact that septimus voted for a ‘non-contender’ here, but his reasoning stinks.

@Plumpudding

Yes! Self-high-five!

Okay, after staring at the wine, I began drinking. My mouth is on my head, after all. So after all those posts about patsy this patsy that, I’ve come to the same conclusion I had before: It’s all up to whoever is the Patsy. If I notice a reason for why it might be smart to claim, I’ll of course share it.

Poke [vote Prof. Properwrinkle

I think you should join the conversation as best as you can, and not doing so is strange.

There was something about this post that bugged me, but I couldn’t figure it out…until I took a good look at **Plumpudding’s **posting history in this game.
209 comment about Colby
214 comment about being on vacation
215 comment about the Patsy role
342 comments about editing, color, the Patsy…has no suspicions
344 comment about town mechanics
358 comment about playstyle
365 comment about being logged in to the board
372 comment about page refreshes on the board
384 comment about Investigative roles and the Patsy
386 comment about the Patsy
401 defense against not having voted yet
408 comment about a previous post
412 vote for Biotop (for being “chatty”? It’s hard to tell for certain, because he refers to a previous comment by Guiri, but doesn’t link the specific post he is referring to)
414 comment about the Patsy
415 continuance of post 414 (I think )
422 comment about Investigative roles and the Patsy
423 comment about Investigative roles and the Patsy
425 comment about Investigative roles and the Patsy
426 comment about Investigative roles and the Patsy
430 comment about Investigative roles and the Patsy
432 comment about Investigative roles and the Patsy
435 comment about Investigative roles and the Patsy
440 off-topic joke post?
458 joke post
470 unvote Biotop (understands his (Biotop’s) real-life participation issues)
472 vote for Prof. Pepperwinkle (for not participating in the conversation)
473 correction of typo in post 472

That’s 27 posts, almost all of which are discussions of mechanics, playstyle, game setup, etc. The only real ‘substantive’ posts are the ones in which he places votes. Interestingly, both votes are based on the player in question posting “fluff” or not participating fully…while Plumpudding himself has basically spent the Day doing exactly that. Also of note is that both votes are one-offs; the players in question are in absolutely no danger whatsoever of being lynched Today.

In short, Plumpudding has ‘good statistics’ toDay: lost of posts, a couple votes…but nothing with any actual weight. Just like Scum would want to do, so that they ‘look good’ while taking no chances of posting anything that might come back to haunt them later.

unvote Colby11
vote Plumpudding

I still think that Colby is Scum, and I’m suspicious of septimus as well. I’m placing this vote in order to get it on record, but should my potential vote on either Colby or septimus become ‘significant’ near EoD, I will change it.

[AngeloftheNorth]

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

Tell you what, sache, I’ll up the ante a bit.

unvote: hawkeyepoop
vote: AngeloftheNorth

I don’t know who scum is. But I sure know that deliberately and admittedly doing something that is anti-Town, based on the reasoning that “Scum wouldn’t do that” is irritating as hell, and not something we need in this game. I don’t know a thing about how Angel normally plays, but I don’t see the need to keep around someone who admits she isn’t going to bother to keep up with the posted rules, much less all the other goings on in-game.

This is complete bullshit, enough to make me vote you for it. I didn’t say any such thing, I said repeatedly that I will read the rules when I can, and I just commented on the other goings-on.

Unvote Drain Bead

Vote Boozaholic Squid, PI

40,000% sure you’re not town here.

[Total_Lost]

@AngeloftheNorth

I would like you to note that I didn’t say this about your vote, or complain about your vote. It’s been a long time since I’ve played with you but your voting me for this is consistent with your town behavior. It’s be other two votes I’m objecting to as easy votes.

You are correct. You didn’t. And I should have pointed it out in my post.

The reason I stated my thoughts on my vote again was to make it clear, that I didn’t regard mine as such.

My phrasing could have been better.

/Oog yes it has been years since we last played and I believe never before on this board
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[HookerChemical]

@Prof.Pepperwinkle

Koldanar sez:
An initial eagerness to play. Didn’t read the rules carefully, or he’d know there’s only one wizard, and 4 masons.
Ender sez:

Good solid first post. Early voter. Not fluffy.

[vote] Enderw24[/vote]
For looking like he/she wants to join the fun, but then dropping the ball. “Reviews” the rules but misses simple points.

Post trimmed heavily. Broken vote tags not broken again.

Prof., do you mean to vote for Koldanar? Because you make the case that Koldanar wanted to join the fun then dropped the ball and misstated the rules above then vote Ender for those reasons below.

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

@HookerChemical

Post trimmed heavily. Broken vote tags not broken again.

Prof., do you mean to vote for Koldanar? Because you make the case that Koldanar wanted to join the fun then dropped the ball and misstated the rules above then vote Ender for those reasons below.

:smack: :smack: :smack:

Thanks for the heads up. Yup, I sure did.

unvote Enderw24

vote Koldanar

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

Sorry, wrong color up there.

** vote: AngeloftheNorth**

Sorry, I failed to differentiate that you would eventually get around to checking the rules out. Hopefully, in time for the end of the day, but if not, well, at least you got some kind of vote in, right? And if not, you could always just swing your vote around to someone voting for you: that’s a sure sign of scumminess in your book, right?

[Mahaloth]

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

Tell you what, sache, I’ll up the ante a bit.

unvote: hawkeyepoop
vote: AngeloftheNorth

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**Nope.
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@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

Sorry, wrong color up there.

I forgive you.

[Total_Lost]

@AngeloftheNorth

Who states that it wasn’t my usual play style? I’m asking because I saw no such thing.

It’s true it’s not my usual play style, but the usual games I play don’t have 50+ people in them. My usual play style doesn’t work in this setup.

Is that regarding your personal style or do you think this might effect more than you?

This game is HUGE and a lot of us haven’t played for years and - hey - let’s admit it: it is a reunion.

We all know what happens at reunions. Some never changed, others did and still others fall back to “the way they were”.

So isn’t in fact worth pointing out that in THIS particular game - we might find changed style in playing suspicious.
But following that line of logic: doesn’t that also then goes for NOT changed playstyle as well?

How can we deduce anything from “he always does this” in a game where other players openly admit that based on size and volume their usual play style doesn’t work in this setup?
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[AngeloftheNorth]

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

Sorry, wrong color up there.

** vote: AngeloftheNorth**

Sorry, I failed to differentiate that you would eventually get around to checking the rules out. Hopefully, in time for the end of the day, but if not, well, at least you got some kind of vote in, right? And if not, you could always just swing your vote around to someone voting for you: that’s a sure sign of scumminess in your book, right?

No, it’s not; what is is either deliberately distorting or ignoring multiple things I said. This post has another one- I just explicitly stated I don’t find Total Lost suspect, and she’s voting me. So you’re making stuff up and attributing it to me.

[AngeloftheNorth]

@Total_Lost

Is that regarding your personal style or do you think this might effect more than you?

This game is HUGE and a lot of us haven’t played for years and - hey - let’s admit it: it is a reunion.

We all know what happens at reunions. Some never changed, others did and still others fall back to “the way they were”.

So isn’t in fact worth pointing out that in THIS particular game - we might find changed style in playing suspicious.
But following that line of logic: doesn’t that also then goes for NOT changed playstyle as well?

How can we deduce anything from “he always does this” in a game where other players openly admit that based on size and volume their usual play style doesn’t work in this setup?
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That’s a good question. I think the answer is in two parts.

It specifically affects me because my town playstyle is to find the people I trust and to look for personal scum tells in those I don’t. I can’t easily here because the two scum teams enable someone who is “scum” to feign lack of knowledge easier, because they don’t have perfect information, they have a piece of it. And I can’t look for inconsistencies because I don’t know more people here than I do know. (Of the people I know, only Prof. P and Hooker are pinging me.)

I think your point that the size of the game will affect everyone’s playstyle is valid, though, and I’“” try to keep that in mind.

[sachertorte]

@Suburban_Plankton

In short, Plumpudding has ‘good statistics’ toDay: lost of posts, a couple votes…but nothing with any actual weight. Just like Scum would want to do, so that they ‘look good’ while taking no chances of posting anything that might come back to haunt them later.

So Townie. Very very townie.

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@AngeloftheNorth

No, it’s not; what is is either deliberately distorting or ignoring multiple things I said. This post has another one- I just explicitly stated I don’t find Total Lost suspect, and she’s voting me. So you’re making stuff up and attributing it to me.

I’m ignoring the irrelevant things you say. I’m focusing on the problematic things.

Let me put it like this:

Welcome to Mafia. It’s a game about information. One side has information, and they’re the bad guys. The other side is seeking information, and they’re the good guys. Some information is given out at the start in terms of context. The good guys should try to make their decisions using as much of that context as possible. The bad guys can ignore the context and just play however they’d like because they’re not seeking information.

I don’t know what it means that you’ve decided to use your magic faerie wand to say that Ulla’s not scum. Maybe you’re snuggling her because you know she’s a townie. Maybe she’s your scum buddy and you’re not picking up on her attempt to orchestrate a cat fight as a demonstration to the rest of us. Or maybe you’re both townies, and you just have a great nose for truth. I can’t figure it out with the information at hand, so it’s irrelevant to me.

What I can figure out is that you apparently don’t want to bother reading the game set-up, and that is pretty damn scummy to me. You even recognize it’s scummy ,but you feel like acting scummy… gives you a pass because it’s too obvious? Well, it’s not too obvious for me. And I’ve played both scum and Town in this game before, and having votes being placed on me as scum is a lot more concerning. It’s the sort of thing that leads one to lash out, just like you’re doing. Why me instead of whomever else? Perhaps because you’re starting to see that the old “Obvious scum move is a great disguise for being scum” isn’t working out for you this time? I find that problematic.

[Chronos]

@jsgoddess

First, Chronos, good catch on the switches. I think I didn’t even finish reading that post, it was so interesting to get to the role doc.

I had written out a bunch of thoughts and questions on switches and suddenly realized it was like watching a monkey try to think. I’ll hold off on that for right now.

I feel stupid for asking this, but do we know scum kills can’t be blocked or seen? I just looked at the roles doc and was trying (while allegedly trying to work) to read the rules but didn’t see this addressed directly. Are factional kills considered a passive power? (Maybe they usually are, though I feel like scum kills are usually visible to watcher-type powers. It’s been too long.)

Also, you seem to be thinking triggering the multi-lynch is something the mafia would not want to do, so they have an advantage over the wolves. I feel like multi-lynch is not necessarily good for Town at all because it might be incredibly hard to control and then you have a cascade of death. Do you feel like multi-lynch is pro-Town?

The “can’t be blocked or seen” comes from Night 0 #140, and stems from the fact that the Scum kill isn’t made by any individual, but by the team as a whole.

And I think that multi-lynch isn’t always pro-Town, but there are some situations where it is, and thus it’s good to have the ability. For instance, there will come a time in the mid or late game when we mass-claim. At that point, we’ll probably end up with a bunch of confirmed Townies at once, by virtue of the unique roles, and we’ll want to start aggressively thinning the unconfirmed pool (in fact, some games end up in a “forced win” for Town, if there are enough confirmed that Scum can’t keep up). Multilynching is extremely useful for that.

[Hoopy_Frood]

@septimus

I’m still suspicious of Colby11, but I’ll cast a vote for the other top suspect:

Vote Johnny Bravo

(Applications for explanation will be considered only if accompanied with clarification: Is explanation intended to help assess Johnny’s Scummitude? Or my own?)

@Chronos

Both, of course. Are you really trying to pretend you’re that ignorant of how the game works? Since when has it ever been acceptable to vote without giving reasons?

What he said.

@Suburban_Plankton

The “other top suspect”? By whose reckoning is Johnny Bravo the “other top suspect”? the vote count as of septimus’ post:

Colby - 9
septimus - 6
ToeJam - 3
Lakai 3
Normal - 2
Angel - 2
7 people - 1

If there’s an “other top suspect” it would be septimus himself (though I suppose that asking for a self-vote is a bit much…). If not him, then *maybe ***ToeJam **or Lakai…but I fail to see how Johnny Bravo, tied for 7th place with 1 vote, qualifies here as a “top suspect”.

I have no particular problem with the fact that septimus voted for a ‘non-contender’ here, but his reasoning stinks.

What he said.

@AngeloftheNorth

Using this post because it’s making it easier for me to organize my thoughts, this is where I stand on everything right now:

I think the case on Colby is BS and I’m most suspicious of Guiri, ToeJam and Lakai among his voters. (I’m suspicious of Guiri out of paranoia- he’s killer scum.)

Okay, so you find it BS. Fine, I can accept that. (While I don’t find it BS as such, slips like that are usually bad wording and not genuine slips. Then again, I thought the same about Total Lost in the Kree Planet Marvel game and she was the godfather.) But why do you find Guiri, ToeJam, and Lakai the most suspicious? (And being good at being scum is not a valid reason to find someone suspicious.)

@AngeloftheNorth

I think the case on Septimus is BS.

Why? I think the reasons given by myself and others are pretty good. Why do you think they aren’t? I can say I have proof the moon is made of green cheese, but you’d probably want me to produce that evidence before you’d take my word on it.

@AngeloftheNorth

This is complete bullshit, enough to make me vote you for it. I didn’t say any such thing, I said repeatedly that I will read the rules when I can, and I just commented on the other goings-on.

Unvote Drain Bead

Vote Boozaholic Squid, PI[/Color]

40,000% sure you’re not town here.

Why is Boozy the target of your OMGUS vote and not Zeriel or Total Lost? What makes him scummier than the other two?

[Total_Lost]

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

I don’t know what it means that you’ve decided to use your magic faerie wand to say that Ulla’s not scum.

@raventhief

A note- I hate the use of multiple names for the same person. Just something I have to get used to. I am a novice, so I never played with “roosh.” I get that many have, so calling the player ToeJam “roosh” makes sense for many. It throws me off, and there are already so many players to keep track of. My issue, and I will adjust. Just a note.

I am the Ulla referred to here. Also goes as TL or Ullz.
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[AngeloftheNorth]

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

I’m ignoring the irrelevant things you say. I’m focusing on the problematic things.

Let me put it like this:

Welcome to Mafia. It’s a game about information. One side has information, and they’re the bad guys. The other side is seeking information, and they’re the good guys. Some information is given out at the start in terms of context. The good guys should try to make their decisions using as much of that context as possible. The bad guys can ignore the context and just play however they’d like because they’re not seeking information.

I don’t know what it means that you’ve decided to use your magic faerie wand to say that Ulla’s not scum. Maybe you’re snuggling her because you know she’s a townie. Maybe she’s your scum buddy and you’re not picking up on her attempt to orchestrate a cat fight as a demonstration to the rest of us. Or maybe you’re both townies, and you just have a great nose for truth. I can’t figure it out with the information at hand, so it’s irrelevant to me.

What I can figure out is that you apparently don’t want to bother reading the game set-up, and that is pretty damn scummy to me. You even recognize it’s scummy ,but you feel like acting scummy… gives you a pass because it’s too obvious? Well, it’s not too obvious for me. And I’ve played both scum and Town in this game before, and having votes being placed on me as scum is a lot more concerning. It’s the sort of thing that leads one to lash out, just like you’re doing. Why me instead of whomever else? Perhaps because you’re starting to see that the old “Obvious scum move is a great disguise for being scum” isn’t working out for you this time? I find that problematic.

No, I’ve said about 45 times now that I am trying to read it and having difficulty, and didn’t think that was a good reason to stay out of the game until I was able to. And I’m voting you because you’re deliberately putting words in my mouth that I’m not saying.

The one valid thing you’ve said about me is that I said I wouldn’t admit I hadn’t read the rules if I were scum. You don’t buy that, fine. But every other point on me is actually the exact opposite of what I said, and I find that pretty scummy.

[Suburban_Plankton]

I don’t get the “bandwagon” (for lack of a better term) on AngeloftheNorth. If I understand the reasoning, “not reading the rules” is not necessarily Scummy, but openly stating that you have’t read the rules is. Is there more to it than that?

Personally, I read all of the "rules’, but I haven’t read in detail all of the role descriptions, their powers, and how they all might interact. There’s simply too much information to keep it all straight at this point, and frankly most of it is irrelevant at this stage of the game, since no Powers have yet been activated. As the game goes on (possibly as early as toNight) that will change. We’ll also have fewer players, which means less total “stuff” to keep track of, so it will become easier to juggle it all in my already busy brain.

But for now, I do believe that the general understanding I have of the game is sufficient for my Day 1 needs.

@Total_Lost

Is that regarding your personal style or do you think this might effect more than you?

This game is HUGE and a lot of us haven’t played for years and - hey - let’s admit it: it is a reunion.

Which one of us is the weird uncle who turns out to be a racist after he gets a few drinks in him?

@sachertorte

So Townie. Very very townie.

Awww…I’m blushing…:o

[raventhief]

@Total_Lost

I am the Ulla referred to here. Also goes as TL or Ullz.
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Thanks. That’s what I thought, but it’s nice for you to make it clear.

[AngeloftheNorth]

@Hoopy_Frood

What he said.

What he said.

Okay, so you find it BS. Fine, I can accept that. (While I don’t find it BS as such, slips like that are usually bad wording and not genuine slips. Then again, I thought the same about Total Lost in the Kree Planet Marvel game and she was the godfather.) But why do you find Guiri, ToeJam, and Lakai the most suspicious? (And being good at being scum is not a valid reason to find someone suspicious.)

Why? I think the reasons given by myself and others are pretty good. Why do you think they aren’t? I can say I have proof the moon is made of green cheese, but you’d probably want me to produce that evidence before you’d take my word on it.

Why is Boozy the target of your OMGUS vote and not Zeriel or Total Lost? What makes him scummier than the other two?

In answer to your question about Guiri, Toejam, and Lakai, for the latter two, I felt like they were jumping on a bandwagon rather than really thinking about the issue. I’m thinking about this and I may be wrong because AFAIK they don’t know Colby. For Guiri, it’s just the sort of thing he does as scum and it makes me wary.

Re Boozy, I just explained this in my post to him but I’ll explain it again. Only Booz Squid is repeatedly saying things about me that directly contradict what I actually said.

[raventhief]

@septimus

I’m still suspicious of Colby11, but I’ll cast a vote for the other top suspect:

Vote Johnny Bravo

(Applications for explanation will be considered only if accompanied with clarification: Is explanation intended to help assess Johnny’s Scummitude? Or my own?)

I would like to submit an application for explanation, accompanied by the disclaimer that it is assess both.