and after given the reveal.
this early that is an odd assumption
trouble parsing that bit
I assume you mean pissed off- being pissed off/ disappointed is normal. Insulting, not so much
and nice falling on sword scene ( if you were really in danger at this time)
I think he’s frustrated… he took his ball away and went home… I don’t know if that alone is any indication of his alignment. I wouldn’t be surprised if he walked away from any role. I’m just not completely sold on him being scum by this logic… I can understand others being confident enough, but to me, even if he is scum, by the same logic he isn’t going to come back. If that’s the most likely case (and I didnt see anyone suggesting that they think he’ll post just enough to stay alive) than I say we let the mods solve the problem for us and we are lynch on gaining info.
What info is there to be gained in Idle’s lynch? To scum he might as well be dead except that he counts for the numbers. So it would be an easy sacrifice to be on a bandwagon against him for the little boost in TC they would get. The vote record would be useless. I think it would be better to do some sleuthing and see if we can find something better than a problem that will more than likely be solved by the Mods toMorrow.
To sum it all up… I agree he’s probably scum. I think it’s low hanging fruit, too easy, not very useful. I think we should aim higher and see if we can get a better lynch out of toDay. And I think it likely he’ll be mod killed next time the axe goes around.
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My thoughts on the** brewha** voters:
Chronos - Town
Biotop - unvoted near EoD, Town lean.
Boozahol -Seemed weird and overaggressive on Day One, Townier since. Slight scum lean overall.
Cookies - scum lean. I would need to do a reread before actually voting her, but all I really remember her doing was picking was a fight with me, and then with Meeko. And now she seems to be pushing to lynch the Lutha, which I think is a terrible idea.
Bufftabby - always scum until proven otherwise (had actually voted brewha earlier, shortly after his claim, as a one-off)
sachertorte - later unvoted. I believe that he and crys are third party; I am making no other assumptions about them at this time. I feel that they should be off limits for the lynch; most likely one of them will be NKed at some point (not that I am suggesting scum would necessarily target them deliberately). we will find out what information we get when they flip, and discuss the issue further from there.
Drain Bead - Town.
These are the 7 I noted yesterday as being especially suspicious, who swooped in within a short period of time to push** brewha** decisively ahead of crys:
raventhief: I haven’t gotten a Townie feel from her this game. I don’t have a scum vibe per se, but when I’ve played with her previously she was Town and I felt pretty sure she was by this point. But then this is a much larger game…anyway, she unvoted later. Null lead overall.
paulwhoisaghost: scum lean
Khameleon: lurker. That plus being on this list = scum lean
Lakai: seems just as scummy as he did last time, but then he was Town. sigh. Null to slightly scummy, I guess.
Hooker: later unvoted. Town lean.
Meeko: Sooner or later, we have to lynch him, right? Scum aren’t going to kill him. We aren’t going to come to a consensus that he’s probably Town. What with him being here and the weird vanilla claim thing, I’m fine with sooner rather than later.
ToeJam: Oy. It looks like we’re going to kill him, and I’m completely OK with that, but I don’t want to vote for him just now because I don’t want him to get such a big lead as to discourage discussion.
Further votes came in:
crys: see sachertorte
Johnny Bravo: see Boozahol. Oh wait, he’s voting for sach, so he’s definitely scummier than Boozahol.
Professor P: “Always friendly and helpful. Not always Town”. I forget who I stole that from, but it’s pretty much always how I read the Professor. Null.
The next three voters joined the brewha wagon late in the Day as five others were leaving it. I believe I have found an error in the official final votecount, apologies if others have already pointed this out. Biotop’s unvote of brewha isn’t counted, so the final count was brewha 15, ToeJam 14, not 16-14 as was reported. Every vote counted!
BillMC: Pretty null read overall, not super active and I don’t like this vote but I remember thinking he made a few good points.
Total Lost: Slight scum lean based on overall impression, would have to reread before voting.
Inner Stickler: Very lurky, eleventh-hour drive-by vote. Scum lean.
Yes you were. And here we are… again… asking ourselves once again if Idle is worth a lynch. I really hope one day he’ll see that, with this group of players, it always ends up with a noose around his neck. I think he’ll be an even better player than he already is. I also don’t think this topic is worth the posts it gets in every game he plays.
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Uh… (Highlighting mine), okay, now your defense of Idle is getting really weird. It’s one thing to defend the Meta-Complaints. It’s another thing entirely to point out “well, even if he’s scum, he’s not worth lynching.”
And your logic is the exact problem you guys are having with me. If Idle shows up tonight and posts because of Modpoking and spares himself the lynch, then you’ll have Me to deal with, AND again **Idle **to deal with (Though let’s be honest, if Idle doesn’t die toDay, it’s likely to be me). But still.
This is a bit TOO defensive of a guy- I can’t see at this time when we’ve yet to kill scum, to dismiss someone as “likely scum, but not worth killing”- at the very least, it buys us more time. It gives us more day/night cycles for players to do things without having another dead Townie to add to scum’s WinCon.
:dubious:
Consider yourself FOS’ed Paul… who may be a Ghost!
-R
What do you parse about that? **Crys **being a 3rd Party claimer versus **Brewha **who was claiming the ability to control the Vig. Why do you think it’s more suspicious for people who “pushed” the **Brewha **vote over a (potential) 3rd party? Do you think the 7 are more likely to be 3rd party? Do you think that **Crys **is scum, and the 7 potentials may be scum trying to save her? Because then you gotta look at who jumped off to push me instead as well, and why’d they do that.
That’s WIFOM- would scum be LESS likely to jump off the **Brewha **wagon and onto me (to control the Vig switch as many are claiming), or more likely to jump off **Brewha **and onto me? (Which was my suspicions through D2 at the time)
Now you see my freaking out? it was really friggin close!
Whoops, half of my points from the post up there got cut off. Here’s the start of it:
Originally Posted by **Nanook of the North Shore **View Post
*I would argue that you’re twisting your own words there- there was no way that Batman claiming would give us more info- if anything it would only further neuter the Vig. You yourself acknowledge now it’s a bad idea. So to then try to use that against me by saying that me calling you out on your bad idea is just not cool. Yeah, I said he SHOULDNT do it to save me. I also said I’d rather hang than out the Vig- but you didn’t mention that part, 'Nook.
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It looks like we are still circling on **ToeJam**, who has had some weird play, has screwed with mods, and has made some strange claims re: vig.
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Whoa, I made no such intentional/strange claims about the Vig (if you mean the "I'm not a Vig", well fine I Did say I'm not a Vig, but how is that suspicious behavior?)
:confused:
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You know what I find really weird. I mentioned that I was going to do a comparison of the brewha and crys trains from yesterDay and see what information shakes out form the vote/unvote record.
Guess what? Unless I missed something **there was absolutely no overlap between the two trains**!
None. People jumped off both to join the ToeJam train or possibly a one-off--I wasn't really paying attention to where they ended up while looking at this, but there were no cross-voters.
Since the reasons for lynching them were completely different, the reasons for not-lynching them were also completely different, and the ToeJam case is fairly weak, in my opinion and some others here, I'm really surprised that no one moved from one to the other. Even when Crys claimed no one jumped to her from Brewha, though plenty of non-voters formed a train against her. Even as the merits of both cases were weighed out, no one switched to the other train.
Am I the only one who finds that odd?
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I find that odd as well, and that's why I was fearful of a Death, I found it interesting that people from both sides were piling on to me, and I suspect it's because they wanted ME specifically Dead. Hence my paranoia at the end of the Day for being DayKilled or Lynched. Because again, it happened in a span of 12 hours, within a 100 posts, and from both lynch sides.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~All right, I see your point about the modkill.
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As I said elsewhere in the post you’re quoting, I believe crys is 3rd party. I’m guessing the scum believe that, too. Therefore, I think they would rather lynch the person who decreases Town’s control over their Vig.
This is true even for a scum team that doesn’t hold the other switch, much more so for one that does. Of course, if crys does turn out to be less non-hostile than she would have us believe, these people will look bad then, too.
I believe that scum would be more likely to vote for brewha than for you, even assuming you are Town, more so if you are scum.
If you are Town, I can’t blame you for thinking something weird is going on that you’ve been nearly lynched at the last minute two Days in a row, but I think it’s just that Mafia is weird. I think a group of voters decided toward the end yesterday that neither brewha nor crys were good lynch choices, and you happened to be where they landed. I, for instance, think you’re pretty scummy, but I kept my vote on Pleonast until it became clear you were a real contender.
I’m trying out Tapatalk because the redirect was driving me nuts. I’m just going to post a list of leans without reasoning. If I’m leaning scum for someone I haven’t addressed prior to this it’s pure gut.
Posting this so I don’t lose it, will continue in next post.
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Here’s the cliffnotes of my leaningses:
Nate. Other than ToeJam, who you are voting, and Idle Thoughts, you have NO clear scum leans? You are wary of Diggit, Prof makes you nervous, and paul is slightly pingly. There are 14 scum-boy-ar-dees out there, you need to turn your paranoia up, man.
~Ignore this Post for Game Purposes. It’s more for the peanut gallery~*
I will say I’m arguing with my inner **storyteller **at this moment (WWStD?)
Trying to imagine what he’d be yelling at me to do via the Forbidden thread.
:-\
I dunno, boss. Maybe tomorrow? I know I’m gone all of Friday and Sunday, and I’m afraid I’m going to not be there for the final 12 hours leading up to that lynch- and that’s when the shit’s gonna go down.
WWYD, Story? Obviously you can answer in the forbidden thread. I’ll read it at that time probably Monday. But you are my inner idyllic thoughts. So just curious.
-Ro0sh
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NETA: Boss= **StoryTeller **(Duh)
PS: I didn’t even get my WOW. ;_;
Add in Pleo and the lurkers, and I’m in the right ballpark of footlong scumholios. But yeah, i wish I did have clearer scum leans.
Well, we can’t assume* all* the lurkers are scum-scuminy-scum-scuminy-scum-scum-scumee.
Vote ProfP
It’s now day three. And we still haven’t seen an opinion yet?
** ToeJam ** no luck with the " ignore this post " bit
It reads like you are soft claiming,…something…
I wager you are going to have to come good on the illusion no matter your alliance- which may/may not save your neck
Yeah. I realized I’m not Storyteller. I’m RoOsh
. So I gotta prepare a last will and testament and explain my Gameplay (though I gotta get up in 5 hours). I’m hoping to be around tomorrow night, but I know I’m out Friday/Sunday. So that’s what my **storyteller **stuff was about. Do I do a Will and Testament today vs. Tomorrow when I have more time.
I dunno WWStD… but I’m Roosh, and **Roosh **does what’s pro-Town. I think at least explaining my playstyle, and my N0 and D1 posts would be helpful. I can finish the thing up by tomorrow but that way the Town can grill me and either question me tomorrow or at least just starting looking at the stuff from my perspective.
Gimmie like 15-20 mins to create a WOW… honestly… it woulda been so much easier if someone else had friggin done this…
-R