Summary: He seems to be perpetually behind, like a lot of us. He is helpful in non controversial ways, rarely going out on a limb. He has thus far voted for one of the our leaders rather than trying to build a case against someone. Mostly I think this is Mhaye’s playstyle, but I have a slight town lean on him, as I think a scum Mhaye would have voted Colby.
Day 1:
Doesn’t think “slips” are a scum tell but is suspicious of Colby for being distracting. Voted for Lakai to pick on of the vote leaders. Talks more about Colby being distracting, but says Lakai did it too and leaves his vote against Lakai. I’m not sure why he voted Lakai over Colby, but given both were vanilla town, it hard to find a scum plot here.
Day 2:
Does not want to vote for 3rd parties, though puts no analysis into whether he believes their claims. Understand’s Toejam’s absense, but calls for a claim Again makes it a binary decision between the leaders Brewha and Toejam. Sort of trust Brewha, so votes Toejam almost by default with some references to Toejam’s inconsistent play. Spends rest of day answering factual questions from other players.
Day 3.
Claims town. Vote Prof for pitting players against each other.
Where did I say you were illogical? I disagreed with you. What I said was:
Your “list” had me as a scum lean - but you are now saying that prior to my comment on your list I was a null tell, but I’m now scum because I questioned the value to posting lists.
It is easy enough for scum or indeed lazy or lurking players to post lists.
Let’s take an example, snfaulkner posted his list just 4 minutes after yours - thats pretty fast typing.
But by your suggestion, he must be town as it was easy for him to do - that scum would have found it very hard to do a list in 4 minutes? 4 hrs4?
Only three others posted lists over 12 hrs later, jsgoddess, koldanar, hockey monkey - so they might be scum because they had to think about it, and everyone else must be because they didn’t post - it must be really hard for them to make a list.
In your list - you had him as slight scum, he made snf nervous and js, koldanar and hockey also had him as scum. So I guess his anti-town play makes him town?
Drain called me out for saying a found colby suspicious but not voting for him ( and your list expresses suspicions without votes) and for deciding to vote for one of the vote leaders rather than wasting my vote on someone who would not be lynched…and you’re asking others to do the same thing:
seems my vote for idle in D3.673 was borked vote: idle
That wasn’t me, it was someone else (don’t remember who), but thanks. I will read it anyway because that’s a “fight” I haven’t been able to focus on yet.
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With two scum teams, it’s hard to find what would normally be considered scum behavior. With one team, scum hunting by scum has to be faked, and can lead to mistakes which the town can pick up on. With two scum teams, scum can now genuinely engage in scum hunting.
In a game where everyone can legitimately hunt for scum, what is a scum tell? I’m genuinely curious as to what others think about this. I think that until we have one dead scum person, we are shooting in the dark here.
This format is so confusing, it’s really causing problems for me. Bill, I’ll try to be more specific because I think the post I’m responding to was genuine.
I had a gut scum read on you, which is why I put you on my scum lean list.
The activity mentioned in my previous post (you calling me out on my defense of lean lists) pointed me further in that direction.
I apparently came to the wrong conclusion about why you were calling me out on it. You disagree and that’s fine but the way you worded it was “you really think scum are going to have trouble…” It may just be semantics I’m reacting to but that seemed to me to be specifically taking me to task for that idea. I found it troubling that this is all you chose to comment on of everything I’ve written. Did you express disagreement because you thought I was going to persuade people with that argument, or because you think I’m putting it forth as scum?
Re Prof. P I explained this in a previous post but you may not have seen it. Yes, I thought he was scum when I posted my lean list. He posted an apology that I strongly feel is sincere which changed my mind about it. This is my Mafia talent as town and I stand by it.
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So since I’m the only one voting Boozy right now, I’d be happy to vote one of my other suspicions if people are so inclined.
DiggitCamara’s been pinging me this game, and not just for the Crys bandwagon. Guiri’s WOW does a good job of explaining it.
SunnyDaze has also been pinging me as well. Her “look at my n00bness” thing from Day 1 with some continuation into Day 2 came across as a bit forced to me. She voted ToeJam on Day 1 for “protesting too much”, yet she herself was “n00bing” too much. We get it, you vape!
On Day 2, she now votes ToeJam for lurking. Then when sachertorte suggests she let the mods handle that, she switches to plumpudding because of suburban plankton’s suspicions after sp was revealed as detective. Then when she’s informed that sp would not have had any concrete information on plumpudding before dusk on Day 1, she unvotes plumpudding, yet couches that unvote with still finding him suspicious and she may put her vote back there. Even though she had no other person she wanted to vote for at the time. Her unvote really doesn’t make sense. She then votes crys much later (and I’ve already addressed the whole crys train thing) and then spends the rest of the Day with her vote on crys hedging back and forth as to whether she’s going to keep it here.
Oh, and I’m fine with revoting Hockey Monkey.
I still find boozy the scummiest, though.
As far as Idle, he’s so far in the lead right now voting him won’t amount to anything. As to how I feel about his case, it really doesn’t matter what his alignment ends up being from a vote record standpoint because the way he’s acted has pretty much forced Town’s hand on this. If he’s town, his play has basically been so anti-town that it’s entered the realm of pro-scum in general. It’s going to be hard to find fault with anyone voting for him. Even if he’s scum, his play has hurt his own faction and helped the other one. So his actions in that case are only serving to aid the faction that he’s not part of.
It’s just really horrible play no matter what his alignment is. He’s hurting his team.
I was pinged by Boozy on N0/D1 (really) for his overly defensive “twerps” comment to SNF and Thing Fish after they FOSed him for asking if scum have off board communication, and his lack of willingness to “come up with” more than one candidate.
Don’t really remember much else from him though, despite the volume. After a quick look (not a detailed WoW):
there’s something with Total, mild snuggling
votes SNF for wanting the game to be fair to scum, in N0
votes Angel for not reading the rules, anti-town. Doesn’t see case against Colby or Toejam - a tiff with Angel continues for a number of posts
doesn’t find Lakai scummy either
votes Angel D2 for her meta vote on Idle
his “I don’t need to come up with further suspicions” combined with a general smudge on late Lakai voters is telling, he seems happy to plant a vote and sit on it for as long as possible
3rd to vote brewha, best case so far this game, he mentions Meeko as a contender
D2#566 now all for lynching Crys too, #1318 agrees with Angel that one of the cultists has to go
D3 actually only wanted to lynch cultists as second lynch, not main feature, would not waste lynch
D3#499 votes crys again, #620 thinks she’s 3rd party not scum
So that’s a change, from not wanting to use up the lynch on a cultist to wanting to lynch Crys as there are no other candidates and he’s not a fan of the case on Idle or Prof P. No effort to actually make another case, and not a single other scum candidate? His votes on Angel were half-hearted?
Is that the case on Boozy? I see it. I have no objection to lynching either Idle or Prof. P, none.
In general I have not disagreed with anything you have said, so didn’t comment. But in this case I do find it contentious. I do not agree that scum find it hard to post a list of 40+ players and just stick slight scum lean, neutral, slight town lean randomly against names. The fact that they don’t need to justify any of it makes it much easier for them.
Irrespective of faulkner’s alignement, he responded in 4 minutes - ie he didn’t put a lot of thought into 40+ plus names.
Personally I think lists have their place, generally when the pool has considerably shrunk, and folk justify why.
The dope is driving me crazy - if it’s not advertising popups its disappeating posts. I wrote a reply to this and others and it has vanished grrrr
I have no issue with this type of list - who and why. And I agree with most of the arguments put forward by Hoopy and Guiri as they align with my thoughts. Tho I don’t feel the argument on Hockey Monkey. In addition Prof P still irks me - his lynch 3rd party/lynch low posters plays are anti-town - yet some folk are saying that he must be town as scum wouldn’t put forward such an anti-town play? Hmm…scum would/wouldn’t do that. Something is in the Pleo/Thing Fish interaction - whether it’s blue on blue or staged scum I don’t know, but it doesnt feel right.
Okay. I actually agree with everything you’re saying here. Your previous post did make me realize I was wrong about it being hard to do.
There was a game where I was scum and Pizza was convinced I was third party. He caught me because of a list like this.
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