I too am really bothered by DiggitCamara, especially the vote on Thing Fish for something snfaulkner, Angel, Koldenar, and I did too (maybe others. I just glanced back to get a rough idea of the number). It feels like someone grabbing something in passing and trying to make a big deal of it.
In short, every time I notice DG, I feel like he’s doing something weird.
I voted for Hockey Monkey post 704.
**Revised and updated vote count:
Idle Thoughts (14 votes)
Sunny Daze (182), raventhief (207), Hal Briston (300), Nanook(528), Biotop(533), Johnnybravo(536), plumpudding(552), Angelofthenorth(554), Hockeymonkey(576), Khameleon(593), sinjin(632), CaptainKlutz(699), Lightfoot(715), nesta(731)
Professor Pepperwinkle (10 votes)
Texcat (278), jsgoddess (332), Inner Stickler (347), ToeJam (408), bufftabby (420), Enderw24(588), Idlethoughts(590), Pleonast(602), sachertorte(656), Mhaye(674),
Khameleon (2 votes)
Meeko (319), Thing Fish (638),
Players with One Vote
Crys75 (Boozahol Squid PI - 499),
Thingfish(Diggit - 691),
Sachertorte(profp - 692),
Enderw24(Crys75 -34),
Boozahol(Hoopy - 286)
Hockeymonkey(Lakai - 704)
Diggitcamera(guiri - 740)**
Does anyone have a link to the Drain Bead WOW post?
(I did search for it myself, on phone and on laptop. I was unable to find it.)
Never mind. I found it. It was just on Prof P, not in general, so it’s not useful to me.
If Prof P is mafia or wolf in this game I’ll eat my right hand. (I’m left-handed, but still.)
Oh, so Brewha, who brought up switches. And their uses. And used the Vig as an example power switch, you know, just in case there was one out there, wasn’t a switch holder who controlled the Vig switch. I’m remembering that differently from you apparently.
Oh, so sachertorte who was voting Crys and was fairly involved in the conversations concerning how we should handle LUTHA didn’t later come out and claim he was LUTHA. Somehow I remember that situation differently as well…
How’s it taking Mafia to a whole other level to refer to various roles in the third person when it’s done consistently? Should we only talk about our own roles and leave other roles out of it? Wouldn’t that give away to scum what roles we are? Sure, bringing up new things completely out of context is frequently a tell, but the Patsy, the Masons, and LUTHA have already been frequent topics of discussion in this game. And whether or not any/all of them should claim has also been a discussion in this game. And whether or not I’m one of any of those roles, I can’t be all of them, so regardless of what I really am, I’m going to give all of them a good reason why claiming might be bad for them, and by extension Town as a whole.
Most scum don’t. And if you’re town, why should you care that I’m WIFOM’ing scum with that? At this point, you don’t need to know my role if you’re town. All you should care about if you’re town is whether or not I’m hostile to you.
You want to find out my role? Then kill me. It’s that easy. Otherwise, I’ll keep WIFOM’ing scum all I want. And you shouldn’t care if you’re not one of them.
TC?
Regardless, I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that point.
Which one?
This: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19930211#post19930211
Or this: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19946522#post19946522
I don’t think they’re were any others, but I could be wrong on that.
woke up this morning with an idea- and it has already been touched on whilst I slept.
I am not going to quote the posts that I am addressing here
** Hoopy ** I think we are of a same mind on this. The more Wolves/Mafia alive the more damage they can do to Town. So Scum (etal) are in no big hurry to knock each other off. --It is a numbers game for them - they need a bunch of dead non-scum–The opposing faction has powers that can do part of their job for them— -and they only need to be ‘one up’ on the other scum faction in the end.
I agree that the rest of the cultist ,the masons- should lay low until/if it becomes vital.- even counter claims should be carefully considered before deciding .
Odds are we will find out more from future NK/DK on them- no need for Town to push them out of hiding or lynch them out of the game-just now.
this comes around to me thinking that the players that are pushing any request ( no matter how ‘logically’ stated) for claims around- or lynching for information on cultists- are potential suspects (Scum).
Town needs to think about if they are furthering a Scum agenda when they follow these ‘ideas’
I have been told that I am hard to understand- so if this is not as clear to you* as it is to me- ask away
Thank you! I don’t think the ToeJam one is useful (to me) because I believe his claim.
The BillMc one is very useful to me, though. I do think Bill is scum. Bill is a Very Busy Man and his playstyle here is a null tell. The reason I think he’s scum is because he called me out for something that’s poor logic.
He called me out for saying I think town trust lists make it harder for scum because they have to go on record with suspicions. He correctly said that it’s not that hard for scum to come up with suspicions when they don’t know what most players are in this game with two scum teams.
I agree with him when put that way. I used poor logic because I’m not focused on there being two scum teams because I’m town. My thinking in this game has reflected this oversight multiple times.
Bill knows I’m not the most logical of players. Anyone who plays with me knows this- I’m often right as town but I struggle to articulate why.
So I find it suspect that of the few comments he chose to make, one was on me being illogical.
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his actions/attitude is ruining the spirit of the game- don’t give him a pass [sub]
(he introduced me the this grand community of Mafia players and I thank him for that- but this side of him is embarrassing )[/sub]
Non participation is an issue-( in any game) but the size of this game and # of posts is daunting to some -so that knife cuts both ways
We can sort this out even if players are hardly here-
My idea " if/when there is no player that has given you a Scum read- vote one that has given you nothing to read." keep in mind their ModKill status of course
As Oma says " You poured your soup, You eat it"
The idle knife cuts both ways too lol. Just don’t engage him he’ll quit. The point is this we need to find scum. I’m not sure that idle is. I mean how likely is it that you post exactly 4 times in each portion of a thread…That was day/night one
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You’re welcome. And the other one isn’t ToeJam, it’s Prof. Pepperwinkle. She just mentions ToeJam first because she was commenting on the situation surrounding him.
If you read it there was much more leading up to that reasoning
Prof. didn’t think of it that I recall---- and it had been discussed ( and determined by many as anti-town) for a few? pages prior to 'is vote post
Prof’s grew pretty fast - after the prime suspect claimed-for a blatently poor decision. Idle -on the other foot- reinforced what many had said earlier when he posted ( thus preventing his ModKill)
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Since players get heat for one off votes too,Are there other Scummy things by ** HockeyM ** you can point to?
Instead of just nodding my head at this post I will comment that this is a lot like what I said
so you are saying that Town players have presented more Scum tells than either faction of Scum to this point.
Since those roles cannot communicate privately, your logic is flawed, Paul
Well… I promised to do a review of TexCat…
TexCat Day 2:
[spoiler]#42 – Strikethrough of unvotes. Helpful.
#48 – Comment on Colby’s playstyle, concerns about early ToeJam votes.
#88 – Answers me and Angels observation that she didn’t comment on Colby-meta by saying she found his lurking suspicious and that she commented on that. Answers jsgoddess by explaining policy votes, uses Prof. As an example [misses out on context – her Normal Phase vote]. Then restates why she felt Colby was scummy.
#133 – Misunderstood jsgoddess. Says she addressed why she found Colby scummy* this game*[as a reason to discount meta, I assume].
#179 – She thinks Drain Bead made a good point re: Total Lost and BillMC Day1 (even though she didn’t comment on it). Questions BillMC’s comments about a Dante game at Giraffe. Makes a case on BillMC: BillMC first couldn’t see the case on ToeJam, then later votes ToeJam. TexCat says she feels this is coming from a scum.
#224 – Asks brewha if there’s anything about other people with switches in his pm.
#232 – brewha, switches, toggles. Mod-question. Diggit, explains vote coding.
#301 – Re: vig/switch-holder plan. Says she’s not inclined to think brewha is scum.
#303 – NETA: gun safety.
#542 – Explains jsgoddess-misunderstanding. Comments on multilynch.
#544 – Fluff.
#564 – Can’t see scum motivation for brewha-lie. Not against second lynch, but lynch-flip-lynch-flip is better than lynch-lynch-flip-flip.
#569 – Asks crys about how her investigation-results are presented.
#605 – Keyword is exclusive.
#612 – Not buying Crys to be able to sort out brewha with investigation.
#633 – Switches from BillMC to snfaulkner, for possible “super secret cultist message to Crys“. Then informs raventhief about mason communication.
#639 – Switches from snfaulkner to Crys. “why would I vote for a suspected cultist when I’m not voting for a claimed cultist.”
#654 – Fluff.
#665 – Being helpful.
#670 Follow-up on being helpful.
#725 – Why did Crys claim, why did she thing brewha and Drain Bead could be cultists, why hasn’t anyone verified her claim? Believes 3P exclusive win-cons, happy with Crys vote.
#810 – Helpful.
#968 – Helpful. Questions the benefit of lynching sach over Crys. Unsure about her vote, after sach’s claim.
#980 “FTFY” I don’t know what this means…
#986 – Defends brewha-lie, “I can see the townie motivation to not let bad assumptions continue.“
#1313 – Comments that it’s easy to conflate agreement with townieness and vice-versa.
Six posts on brewha, seven on Crys/3p, four and a half posts being helpful, three fluff posts. Five posts not related to brewha and 3P, other than fluff and helpful-posts, concerning Colby, misunderstandings and her only case not related to 3P, on BillMC. I find her defense of her Colby-”case” in #88 and #133 kinda weaselly, as if she’d rather just dismiss rather than explain why she didn’t find the meta important, but I’m not sure I see it as incredibly scummy, tbh. Towns can be weasels too. I get a feeling that she felt much more comfortable talking about switches and third parties than trying to hunt scum, though.[/spoiler]
TexCat Day 3:
[spoiler]#73 – Asks if we have double-lynch.
#163 – Thinks the brewha wagon was a good place for scum to hide. Don’t think anyone stands out. Thinks there’s something fishy about the cultists. Pulls up sachertorte’s vote. Recaps the brewha votes. I find this to be her most substantial post all game.
#278 Votes Prof. For lack of opinions.
#380 – More Crys, more cult-talk.
#440 – Don’t understand talking ToeJam. If not lynching cult with a role, why lynch claimed doc? Not suggesting a counterclaim.
#453 Likes the expression “chasing rabbit butts.” Asks if that is what the paul-lie business is about.
#456 Fluff regarding a great splatter.
Not much to go on here. I understand her Prof. Vote, though I’d like to point out that TexCat herself hasn’t had all that many opinions so far. Participation-wise I put her in the bare-minimum group. [/spoiler]
That was really boring. I find TexCat has posted very little of interest (no offense). Bear in mind, I think the switch/3P-claim/brewha-Crys-sachertorte situation was a bit of a waste of time. As Profs research showed, almost no other cases or accusations were made after Chronos pointed out the brewha-lie. I think scum were both comfortable and happy to add their opinions to those discussions, I don’t think those topics should have been the main focus of most of a Day, is what I’m saying, and I think it made it easier for scum to hide. Anyway, I’m not gonna revive my vote on TexCat toDay. My vote stays on Idle, I think there’s a good chance he’s scum. If he’s for some reason doing this as town, consolation-prize (no, Idle, not a reason or justification, just an added benefit of lynching you): I think he’s making the game much less fun.
@Lakai: I don’t see the similarities between the case on you MK1 and the case on Idle. Why do you feel the need to compare cases with the case that got you lynched? Move on, please…
Regarding Pleo: Is he usually a single-issue voter? It seems all his “cases” are based off of single issues, most from Day1. I’m just wondering, as I’ve never played ith him before (I think?).
For the record this is very much the Idle and ToeJam playstyle I remember. Never was able to get a good read on either of them. I’m going to ahead and
vote Idle
for a similar reason that I voted Colby. At worst he is an unhelpful vanilla townie. At best he is a scum. We can’t let scum hide behind over the top playstyles and I do find the fact Idle called for this game and disappeared at least a little odd.
As for Toejam, the doctor is one of the strongest roles remaining, and doesn’t require any knowledge gained to be provided, so I’d lean towards it being a lie. I’m willing to let it play out a bit though rather than risk I’m wrong.
I said I’d start looking at people, and I haven’t had time, but now I got a couple hours to kill. Will start with Mhaye as there was a request on him.
Angel I seem to recall you asked about the Pleo/Thing Fish deal.
If you read this and follow the links back you can see where it started
Are you talking about how Idle’s game play here is different from how he played in other games? I can’t really judge him based on that because I don’t know how he normally plays. If others believe it’s a real factor then they should vote for him, but I can’t make a decision based on meta evidence.
No, not really. Just the bandwagon votes.