Oh, like I can really be expected to keep up with every dead player in this game. There’s like, 15 or so of them at this point. Seriously. I have a life and shit!
FOS raventhief for expecting the impossible!
On a serious note, I want to return back to the issue of the Day 1 Patsy claim.
I know some were advocating for that. I want to give a thumbs up to the Patsy for not taking their advice.
And to bring it a bit more relevant to recent events, the LUTH as well. Because it occurred to me earlier today that with the current state of the game any confirmed non-scum block is bad for Town at this point. Scum have clearly indicated where they’re killing from: the frequent posters who aren’t fluffing (yeah, I’m singling you out Mr. Pepperwinkle for your fluffiness). Scum are not taking any chances right now, and why should they? We no doubt have a couple scum in the top posters, but as I mentioned earlier to Klutz, I think most of them are hanging out near the middle. If we have non-scum blocks of people claim, scum have a roadmap to keep avoiding cross-kills. And we cannot win if they don’t cross-kill, but the longer they put off the cross-kills, the better chance either of them have of winning. So LUTH, you stay hidden all you want for now. You, too masons. And the patsy. Because you exist in a large pool. A pool that scum will eventually have to shoot at if they hope to win the game.
**VOTE COUNT
Idle Thoughts (13 votes)
Sunny Daze (182), raventhief (207), Hal Briston (300), Nanook(528), Biotop(533), Johnnybravo(536), plumpudding(552), Angelofthenorth(554), Hockeymonkey(576), Khameleon(593), sinjin(632), CaptainKlutz(699), Lightfoot(715)
Professor Pepperwinkle (10 votes)
Texcat (278), jsgoddess (332), Inner Stickler (347), ToeJam (408), bufftabby (420), Enderw24(588), Idlethoughts(590), Pleonast(602), sachertorte(656), Mhaye(674),
Players with One Vote
Khameleon (Meeko - 319), Crys75 (Boozahol Squid PI - 499), Khameleon (thingfish - 638), Thingfish(Diggit - 691), sachertorte(profp - 692), Enderw24(Crys75 -34), Boozahol(Hoopy - 286)
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Right now, i am leaving my vote on Idle. I dn’t know if he is scum or not, but I know he came in and asked for “lynch, modkill, or sub, because 'busy.” THis has nothing to do with asking for a modkill meta, because I have only played one other game and he suggested he be modkilled there, too. And he was Vanilla Town. And he was abrasive - so maybe that is truly his playstyle, I really don’t know.
But it nags me that a Townie would come in to a game where Town is getting clobbered, and suggest that he (as an alleged VT) be lynched. Why would a Townie suggest a mislynch as a good play for Town? OK, so he wasn’t following along - or reading the rules, or had any idea who had been lynched. So he didn’t know subs are in short supply, so why didnt he ask for a sub? Why would lynch or modkill be ahead of subbing in his suggestion list?
We dont end til Sunday, so if he wants to play, play on! I have time to change my vote, and I am not so obdurate as to refuse, if I see a reason to believe he has any interest at all in helping Town win.
NETA I have played only one other game WITH HIM
Just by saying this you are narrowing the pool by 1 player, you.
I disagree the strategy of your post too. Why wouldn’t the scum want a cross kill? It still count as forwarding to their percentage of population goal and it counts toward them having more members than the opposing faction.
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Corrected for players with one vote listed multiple times
**VOTE COUNT
Idle Thoughts (13 votes)
Sunny Daze (182), raventhief (207), Hal Briston (300), Nanook(528), Biotop(533), Johnnybravo(536), plumpudding(552), Angelofthenorth(554), Hockeymonkey(576), Khameleon(593), sinjin(632), CaptainKlutz(699), Lightfoot(715)
Professor Pepperwinkle (10 votes)
Texcat (278), jsgoddess (332), Inner Stickler (347), ToeJam (408), bufftabby (420), Enderw24(588), Idlethoughts(590), Pleonast(602), sachertorte(656), Mhaye(674),
Khameleon (2 votes)
Meeko (319), Thing Fish (638),
Players with One Vote
Crys75 (Boozahol Squid PI - 499),
Thingfish(Diggit - 691),
Sachertorte(profp - 692),
Enderw24(Crys75 -34),
Boozahol(Hoopy - 286)
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Really, how? Everyone I called out in that post cannot communicate with each other. Maybe I’m one of them; maybe I’m not. How many Town power roles have referred to their actual roles in the third person over the many Mafia games played? I think you’ll find many of them have. Claiming I’m vanilla town narrows a pool. Mentioning general strategy for power roles not to claim is not. Why are you so sure I’m narrowing the pool in my statement?
Why fight two known enemy factions when you can fight only one? Town’s power is numbers. If the scum work together to remove our power, by killing us off, they remove the wild card. All the scum roles and number are known. Only the town power roles are known. The vanilla numbers are unknown. If I were scum I would totally be targeting town right now, especially as the players I would consider the bigger threat die out, because if I feel my team as a whole is going to consist of stronger players than the other scum team, I should be able to cruise to an easy victory over the quantifiable enemy.
Scum aren’t cross-killing because they don’t need to at this point. Until we start taking them out, until one faction ends up disadvantaged, they have no reason to work with us. They’ll just be happy to keep taking us out.
Perhaps the entire LUTHA is like the Hulk saying you wouldn’t like him when he is angry.
**Has there been precedent, ever, for a third party team… To gain a won con on its own, only after town lynches a member of that particular third party? **
Unless I’m missing something, it seems to me that scum aren’t cross-killing because they don’t know who each other are. They’re just as blind as the rest of us in this game.
It’s not like Mafia can intentionally lead a lynch on a Wolves member (or vice versa). All one of those groups can do is lead a lynch against “Not Our* Team”.
(*Not a scum slip. I mean “our” as in “their”.)
Idle is a very meta aware player. His whole shtick is based on it. He is always outraged, OUTRAGED that anyone would suspect him based on his anti-town play, because everyone should know that he always plays that way.
Idle, you know you anger people, and that they don’t like your D1 claims, and you use that meta as a defense. Why then are you so OUTRAGED that you were voted for in this game for the valid meta reasons that your claim was delayed, and then you disappeared? You can’t have it both ways, expecting meta to defend you but not be used against you. I suspect you understand that, and the OUTRAGE is part of the character you play.
You’ve been quoted saying that if you were scum you would drop out. This game you dropped out. Your OUTRAGE isn’t convincing me.
I’m rarely 100% convinced someone is scum until they flip. You, though, I think are more than likely scum. That’s better than any of my other reads, so yes, you are the BEST person to lynch Today.
Vote Idle Thoughts
You are almost there… you just need to continue that logic to them hunting for power roles and the opposing scum faction. What better ticket to Townsville than finding someone scummy and riding them all the way to the gallows? The difference between them and town, when they think they smell scum, they know whether it’s from their team or not. It’s easier for them to identify each other if I was scum right now I would trying to push for the lynch of people I suspect are from the opposite team and using my kill to take out power roles if I think I have one and 3P if I don’t. And if the lynch didn’t take I might just take a shot at the player I think is from the opposing faction. This makes town’s job twice as hard because it spoils the vote records. Which is why we should be trying to get people to take early stances they can be held accountable to later.
Do you follow?
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You had not posted toDay, until the “mod kill me” post, so you were indeed on the modkill list,
How the heck can you interpret what I said as thinking you were town?
And yet that is how you described it at that time. You said were too busy to play, and shortly after you suddenly decided that you could play after all. Because, hey, “they want to get rid of me”.
Maybe I’m doing a bad job at explaining it.
Scum do not have to specifically try to find scum right now. They want to keep the pool they hide in the largest possible. Every player they’ve killed has been active. Every. Single. Player. They have not taken out anyone in the bottom 75% of posters.
(Note: I haven’t run the actual numbers, so don’t bother pointing out that it’s not the actual number. My point stands.)
Why do you think that is?
And every lynch has been a bandwagon on town so far, which scum are more than happy to join. Scum aren’t scumhunting/cross-killing partly because of dumb luck and partly because they don’t need to. They don’t need to look for scum-tells at this point. Numbers is numbers is numbers. They may have suspicions as to scum, but their kill cannot be stopped other than by town doctors. (Because, seriously, the scum doctor powers aren’t going to stop a kill and will likely result in the same target being killed the following night. Scum doctors are mainly for corner cases in this game. I can think of a few cases why they might want to protect, all of which are situational.) So if they have scum suspicions, they’re probably keeping them in reserve. A weak town strengthens a scum faction far more than a weak other faction does.
They only need to exceed the other faction by one member. One. And if you didn’t understand me the previous two times, I’ll say it again. One.
Now how many of the game in general, most of which are town, do they have to kill? Considerably more than one.
Understand?
paulwhoisaghost, you’ve posted since I posted this.
Care to answer my question?
Your WoW seems fair. To address your question, my vote D2 for ToeJam was because I didn’t think the other two lynch leaders were good lynches, so a drive-by vote on him was the best choice. The second post you quote was early Today, with plenty of Day left, so a review seemed in order. He already had plenty of pressure, was on everyone’s radar, so an early vote wouldn’t have accomplished anything. I didn’t think I “owed” him anything, but maybe I was wrong about him. And as I said, even if he’s scum, he isn’t the only one, so I didn’t want to get tunnel vision.
I’ll admit I was also a little happy to see him come back. I have fond memories of playing with him years ago. Roosh logic is stamped into my psyche. He’s fun to play with, so on D1 I didn’t vote for him because I wanted to give him a chance in case he was gone for RL reasons. I think I’m a little vindicated based on his recent gambit. That’s the RooshJam I remember.
I have a lot of reservations about his claim. That’s something he would do as scum. It’s also something he might do as town. I bet he turns out to be scum, but I’m not going to vote him for now because his claim is falsifiable. If he’s scum the real doc will either claim or turn up dead, so he can’t survive to endgame.
I saw your post as making suggestions to those roles, which implies you are not those roles. I thought that was obvious. It’s little things like the 3rd person position you took that people have been posting all game. Each time someone theorized about a switch and had some misinformation it gave away they didn’t have a switch. Each time someone asks a dumb question about LUTHA it narrows the pool for them to look in. I suppose you could be playing some WiFoM game that takes mafia to whole other level.
I took it at face value. I don’t like wifom.
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I understand, I disagree. I think either team would want an early advantage. If for nothing else, the TC one would gain from leading the charge for a scum lynch would be a nice thing to have in your back pocket come end game.
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Also, sorry for the delayed response. I’m switching back and forth between doing my taxes and the game. I saw your post and then saw another. Responded to the other and forgot about yours.
Is this really a thing? People other than Septimus ask their scumbuddies to proof-read their posts?
The quote in Raventhief’s #675 is from giraffe
No, but you pretty much just stopped playing/posting once the game started
@Angel #678, got it, makes sense.
@Diggit #693, I guess there’s a chance a reveal would show “hostile” or “non-hostile” - we’re usually informed if a player is PFK but it would semi-confirm the rest of the group, which is unlikely. “YOU WIN if at any checkpoint (Dawn or Dusk) all 14 Scum players (Wolves + Mafia) are dead.”
@Prof.P #694, about wolves claiming as 3rd party, I commented on the opening color where the alpha used the expression “leave us the hell alone”, it was color, and the same post mentioned cultists coming to get the wolves “Members of the town anti crime groups, cops, the cultists, the masons, the new Godfather from Ceciltown, probably even Clemenza.” I think you’re grasping at straws now.
@Lakai #704, your theory is that scum start bandwagons, and scum from the other team pile on, are there others who meet the criteria?
Snfaulkner’s giving me a different vibe toDay, I’m not feeling my D2 vote.
Idle came back with three options, including asking to be subbed out, but people, even the mods, jumped on the lynch me or modkill me suggestion, and he reacted.
I thought I saw something in nesta’s votes but no, feeling neutral now.
I’ve been suspicious of Prof.P’s motives for his lurker fixation, while attracting attention, it’s easy to be consistent across games, and there’s always the choice of which lurker to vote. Switching to third parties breaks with this routine, either to avoid the heat (badly!), or in response to the criticism. But focusing on removing the third parties and only then, once they’re out of the way, is just a terrible strategy but it breaks with the ploy which is a good sign.
Other options right now are:
- Boozy for not needing to come up with other suspicions
- Johnny Bravo for the N0 post nonsense, a fixation on Meeko, arguing for the masons to claim, not wanting to discuss strategy at Night, his #520 - Idle did not request to be modkilled
- Inner, his out of the blue question to Pleo N1 was texbook active lurking and is stuck in my head
- Scathach, Zeriel, Hawkeyeop, Cookies - I have a feeling they’re posting about not being able to play, or about catching up, or about going back and doing something, but not delivering
I think Diggit is a good option today
D1#249 Diggit is 8th on Colby, no mention of Toejam on 5 votes
D1#264 Switches to snfaulkner for commenting on Colby’s meta
D1#282 Asks for proof of colby’s meta
D1#393 To Drain, explains why voted snf due to defense
D1#747 To Normal, denies seeing the train on Colby, reiterates reason for SNF vote
D2#230 To Johnny Bravo, is pinged by comments about scum not knowing who to defend, suggests they slightly defend all non-scum, revotes snf
D2#250 fixes vote color
D2#255 mini-Wow on snf, lots of fluff
D2#547 Comments on flaws in Paul’s plan for a VT claim
D2#552 Maybe there’s something to the delay in brewha’s switch, asks other holders
D2#558 Switches to Crys, does not believe there are two masonic groups
D2#596 Seems to think Crys is claiming to be on town’s side, not 3rd party? As if she’s counter-claiming the masons?
D2#606 Argues to get rid of 3rd parties, who knows what powers they could have or get
D2#816/820 Didn’t notice Lakai subbed back in
D3#368 Maybe Sario prevented an NK, wonders why people are not paranoid about the cult. Suggests that revealing the other switchholder would prove cultists are hostile?
D3#400 Finds cultist description fishy, concerned what happens once the re-group
D3#519 votes Thing Fish for list of town leans without reasoning
D3#695 Realises his mistake in #368, Crys has a scum switch
D3#691 fixes vote color again
D3#693 wants a cultist to die, considers wolves false-claiming scum
D3#695 does not trust people who say they think other players are town - does not mention other lean listers
D3#698 Continues surmises about crys as wolf, but no vote anymore? "Food for thought"His participation is light but looks OK, maybe a heavy focus on the 3rd parties, lots of confusion - missing Lakai subbing in, formatting votes, mistakes - a sign that he’s putting on a show maybe, I disagree with his stance on leans - especially in this game since no-one except the masons could really know that another player is town, but it’s his votes, from SNF for town leans, to Crys for 3rd party, then to Thing Fish for town leans (why is SNF good now?) and still coming up with plenty of reasons why he should still be voting Crys or Sach, feels forced to me, like he’s keeping up appearances.
Vote DiggitCamara