I’m asking specifically for scum quirks. Town quirks should be kept secret.
I modded a game on Idle’s facebook group, and one of the players had everybody post the timestamps of their messages. I had sent the PMs out in order of the randomization; Town power first, Scum last. It could have broken the game, but Town still lost. Don’t ask me how.
I still think that is the single best role I have ever come up with. Shame BlaM stoped playing/got killed so quickly because the combo of your role and his would have been AWESOME if it played out.
I have to take a little time to wrap my head around the boada count thing. It seems like it makes both random voting and “stick poke” voting a REALLY bad idea. But it might make trackable FOS’s a good idea rather than the waste that they usually are. I am not sure I will really have a good feel for it until we actually have a lynch, and that worries me a bit. I don’t like having to use tools I don’t really understand fully.
When someone is thrown into the vat of molten steel, you can see whether they melt or burn. And obviously if their lynch triggerd an effect, you’ll see that. But you’ll have to search the room for specifics, and they’re off limits till dawn. This means all nightsha’d players immeadeatly give both side and role.
Also, no strategizing at night.
Heh… yeah, I kind of, umm… forgot… about that game. When I finally did remember, I was dead, and I was so far behind at that point anyway, I didn’t really get around to catching up. Sorry.
/confirmed
Proposal:
Sarah Connor should either admit who she is so we can lynch her Today. Without knowing the alignment of other players, giving or taking votes away from them can be too great of a scum advantage. Also, the probability of a Townie losing their powers because of her role is too great, IMHO. Alternatively, we could have one Vanilla Scientist claim, and have Sarah target them every night. This is a bad plan if the person who goes crazy is the same person who is intimidated. Mod clarification?
Supporting evidence:
Who is this “Don the River” you speak of? 
Don’t worry, you got killed fairly quickly after you went idle. I was just about to poke you when we got the order that you were to be killed so…it happens.
Any thoughts on the the other point I raised in that post? I am particularly interested in what you have to say about that sort of thing, since you are far better with this sort of math than I am. Should we all be holding off on voting until close to the end of the Day or do a vote early vote often thing that I usually advocate? I am mostly worried that if we vote early vote often with this system it will become actually impossible to do any analysis later on.
His powers as an investigator for the scum are pretty limited though because he cannot talk to the rest of them. Back in post #4 our mod said…
- Secret Agent T-1000–Cannot communicate with other scum, but he knows who they are and they know who he isn’t. Each day, he chooses one person to copy, at night he gets notified of what their powers are and can use them that night. Can be ordered to do the kill on X by the other scum, or ordered to do the kill but choose the target by the other scum.
So unless he is breadcrumbing the scum will never know the results of his nights copying activities.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Sarah Connor has one ability: The ability of intimidation. She also involuntarily makes people go insane (translate: lose their abilities). She also (I think I forgot to mention this) can modkill herself without losing her win condition.
Modkills happen if a player does BOTH of the following–makes 3 or fewer posts, or does not make a full vote. (I think I forgot to mention that too)
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
If they know who he isn’t then they know who he is.
The only way I can make sense of this is if they know a subset of who he is not. That is, The scum know who half of the town are, but the T-1000 is unknown amongst the other half.
NAF, could you clarify this for us?
[offtopic]Sorry, I know I’m not in this game but I just wanted to give a shout-out to Almost Human whom I know from Facebook (and, along with Santo, may be the reason why she’s here :D–See, on FB we started a mafia playing group and so far it’s been very successful. We have many members from FB signing up regularly for games and are now in our third game hosted in here). Glad you signed up, Almost Human.
Er…so yeah, if you have a FB and are on my friends list, I have sent you an invite to it. If you didn’t get it or deleted it, just look at my profile at the groups I’m in.
If you’re on FB but not my friend yet, feel free to add me: Facebook
And if you DON’T have a FB,…what’s wrong with you? Half of the people who play mafia have one (Roosh, Cookies, Pollux Oil, Darth, Santo, Kat, OAOW (and his wife, who plays Pack Rat with me on a daily basis), GreedySmurf, bufftabby, Almost Human (whom I met on there) and many others are all friends of mine on there) so if you don’t have one yet, you should get one.
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But breadcrumbing is far from difficult when they know who you are, and they know what you do.
Not to mention, he can read the scum boards so they can tell him exactly how to breadcrumb unambiguously.
Or, they could just delegate every kill to the T-1000, and let him use his judgment who to kill.
[COLOR=“green”]So the involuntary person is random?
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sach: I was just about to point that out, thanks.
Idle: Total Lost and Flyfisheron are also from the Facebook group. Flyfisheron was my Mason partner in the first game, and Total Lost was the scum to that was lynched in the second. I’m pretty sure all three of them (Almost Human being the third) want to sex me up.
True, and on the plus side it gives us something to look for in an attempt to spot the T1000
I think NAF indicated in an earlier post that Rysto was the one who could not communicate with the scum, so I think the scum know who the T-1000 is or rather the specialized T-1000.
There’s quite a bit of confusion in the rules so here’s my assumptions:
pedescribe posted the Vanilla Town win condition and it refers to all T-1000s, thus implying more than one.
So I’m also assuming that the nightkill immunity applies to only one of the scum and not all T-1000s which is what the letter of the rules implies.
Anyway I’m rambling, sorry.
**If the T-1000 (the special one, I guess) mimicks the Vigilante on the Night the Vigilante must suicide, does the T-1000 also suicide as part of the Vigilante’s power? Or put another way, is there any time that the T-1000 can mimic the vigilante that would force him to suicide (possibly the night before since the next night would be the time he uses the vig power)?
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I figured as much. I felt bad, but then I was relieved when I found out I was killed. Oh well…
It’s hard to say, but I would think that we can all agree that doing a lot of vote changing will be very difficult to keep track of. I would say that waiting 'til the end of the Day is a bad idea simply because it leaves us less ability to control voting, and allows the scum to work between themselves to adjust their votes in subtle ways to effect results. As such, I’d say we avoid, say “vote 1. X 2. Y 3. Z” then “nevermind, I want 1. Y 2. Z 3. X”.
That is, people who do a lot of fidgetting around with their votes like that without good reason will be looked at with suspicion by me, because it seems to me that that is more adjusting lynch points to get a desirable result than because it actually fits your opinion. We should always try to have our top 3, and really try to be comfortable with any of those three getting lynched. Anyone who adjusts their lynch points in such a way to avoid a player not on their list from getting lynched should be treated as someone switching from a low vote count to the second leading vote getter. Anyone who adjusts their lynch points such that someone from their list is lynched over someone else in their lynch should be treated as switching their votes from the leader to the second place such that they swap.
For instance, say I’m voting XYZ, and W has 11 lynch points and Z has 10. If I switch my votes such that I’m now voting ZXY, without a good reason, I’ve essentially unvoted X (a one-off, or low vote getting) and voted for Z to put Z in the lead.
For an example of the second, it would be like X having 11 and Z having 10 and changing my vote to ZXY so that Z is now in the lead. That would be like unvoting X (the leading candidate) to vote for Z to make the top two candidates switch places.
Bottom line, I’d say the 3 votes should be the top three candidates, but any switching around shouldn’t be treated lightly and reasoning should be required. The way I intend to do it is to put out my first vote for someone, when I see something else suspicious, I’ll keep that first vote and decide where the new one lies, if it’s more or less suspicious, then repeat with the third. After those first three, I really see no reason to readjust, because you either want them lynched, which is why they’re on your list, or you don’t, which means you should move them off.
Flyfisheron, Squid, One and Only Wanderers, and Rysto:
NAF has identified you as pre-reset scum. I would like you to explicitly state whether or not your previous role had a “quirk.” And if it did, what it was.
Thanks.
The board I was writing this on had an excruciatingly annoying filter that replaced all instances of is with isn’t. I thought I caught them all, but I must’ve missed that one…