Given that this game is ending on Monday and most people are not really around for the weekend, I predict a mass panic set of vote/unvote/vote again on Monday as people try to decipher the WIFOM.
It is obvious which way Blaster Master is thinking. The questions are,
Can he persuade the rest of the town to follow him?
Did the scum anticipate him?
And, of course, is he even right?
Okay.
Still…it all feels wrong to me.
I guess that’s just from thinking so strongly that ShadowFacts has GOT to be scum. And since she was read as “Town”, she MUST be the head Wolf.
And if she’s the head Wolf, Pygmy can’t be.
However Hazel is a wolf and I doubt there’s three left…so I’d say the two are Hazel and SF with Pygmy being the Necro.
(Heck, the Necro could have a secret power too. Maybe it’s the ability to read like a living person once (Town) or twice and not raise the dead on one or two Nights—maybe SF could be it too.)
Pleo - is there something here that I don’t get? Some secret power still to come into play? Because given what I know, it looks pretty well over.
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Pleo - is there something here that I don’t get? Some secret power still to come into play? Because given what I know, it looks pretty well over.
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Answered in PM. Basically, the Town could choose wrong, and to be fair to the scum, they need to be given that chance.
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Okay.
Still…it all feels wrong to me.
I guess that’s just from thinking so strongly that ShadowFacts has GOT to be scum. And since she was read as “Town”, she MUST be the head Wolf.
And if she’s the head Wolf, Pygmy can’t be.
However Hazel is a wolf and I doubt there’s three left..so I’d say the two are Hazel and SF with Pygmy being the Necro.
(Heck, the Necro could have a secret power too. Maybe it’s the ability to read like a living person once (Town) or twice and not raise the dead on one or two Nights—maybe SF could be it too.)
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I really don’t see how you figure. If Pygmy was the necro, he would have just let Zoggie swing yesterday, and taken his win last night. He’s definitely not town, so that pretty much leaves him as a wolf. Hazel is the other wolf, and the alpha-wolf at that (because she was investigated as wolf).
I know you desperately want your original assessment of both Shadow and Zoggie to be right, but unless there’s a Cabalist out there, it just doesn’t make sense. And if there’s a Cabalist out there, the town’s already lost.
I will say that I don’t understand why Shadow Facts is being coy with his/her role reveal right now. The game is all but over. Refusing to role claim now, even when directly asked by the town, could give someone an opening to convince the town to do something stupid.
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I will say that I don’t understand why Shadow Facts is being coy with his/her role reveal right now. The game is all but over. Refusing to role claim now, even when directly asked by the town, could give someone an opening to convince the town to do something stupid.
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Seriously. If it wasn’t for the fact that he was investigated as town, I’d be in Idle’s camp, calling for his head. What possible good could it do to hold out at this point?
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I know you desperately want your original assessment of both Shadow and Zoggie to be right, but unless there’s a Cabalist out there, it just doesn’t make sense. And if there’s a Cabalist out there, the town’s already lost.
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Bolding mine.
Actually, I’d be happy with just one of them being right/scum. 
Means I’m maybe not as sucky at this game as I think I am ('twixt this game and the one on my boards—the censors on there have gotten to me. I’m now using that word instead of between naturally. :smack: )
Really seems to me that ShadowFacts is just rubbing it in the noses of Town now. Look at the way she smiles in that post and how she words it (the one made to HNC)!
It looks (or at seems) so obvious that something is up. Why isn’t Town putting more pressure on for a claim, I wonder?
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Really seems to me that ShadowFacts is just rubbing it in the noses of Town now. Look at the way she smiles in that post and how she words it (the one made to HNC)!
It looks (or at seems) so obvious that something is up. Why isn’t Town putting more pressure on for a claim, I wonder?
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Idle, I kind of think that you’ve decided she’s a duck, so everything she says sounds like a quack. I don’t see anything particularly odd about the way she worded her response to Hazel, which basically said only that she wasn’t going to respond to prodding from wolves. What are you seeing?
The long space and then the 
smile?
What would be the reason for that?
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The long space and then the smile?
What would be the reason for that?
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To emphasize the irony of the town buying anything Santo says?
Interesting point: if Shadow turns out to be town, then on Day two, the only lynch of a Townie, only Townies were voted for.
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Really seems to me that ShadowFacts is just rubbing it in the noses of Town now. Look at the way she smiles in that post and how she words it (the one made to HNC)!
It looks (or at seems) so obvious that something is up. Why isn’t Town putting more pressure on for a claim, I wonder?
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Idle Thoughts: You are doing it again. Your preconceptions are getting in the way of the facts.
**ShadowFacts ** has been investigated as town and with 3 scum left it is obvious who the scum are.
You have to read through what other players have said about people and be prepared to balance the arguments and change your mind, if what they say contradicts what you think.
Side example: Compare my actions on Day 1 of Firefly with my actions for every other day. Day 1 got me lynched because I quacked like a scum.
I don’t get your point? You looked suspicious. Not only to me but to many others as well. I wasn’t the only one saying you looked scummy in that game. Many were and over a long period of time. Yeah, I was the strongest…but that didn’t even start until Day Two and after. You DID LOOK suspicious. More so than anyone else. In fact, I have to say even knowing you were Town, you had to have been the scummiest Townie I’ve ever seen so far in my history of playing the game. 
You seem quick to say “You did it before and you’re doing it again.” I don’t see how what I’m doing is what you’re saying it is. I just find suspicious those who seemingly act it. All thrugh the game SF was showing very anti-Town behavior. I even pointed it out. Even now, she’s showing anti-Town behavior not revealing her role at this point. Now she may be scum or she may really not be. I don’t know. I could be wrong. Very easily. But that doesn’t change the fact or my opinion that she seems to be acting more suspicious than anyone else.
Me, I was right on DB in FF. And Zoggie as scum in this game. And fluid in MIII. And NAF in MIV. All of those people were scum that I called wayyyyy early on.
As far as I can see, I’ve been right on some and wrong on some with my way of playing so far. The wrong ones were: SnakesCatLady, yourself, and possibly/probaby ShadowFacts.
How is that different from any other person who plays this game? People get others wrong when they’re Town. That’s just how the game goes. It’s something that can’t be helped. Suspicions build up over time and yeah, they do tend to cement sometimes in ones head. But that’s a part of the game. Is it right or wrong? I dunno. But it’s human nature, I feel.
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In fact, I have to say even knowing you were Town, you had to have been the scummiest Townie I’ve ever seen so far in my history of playing the game. 
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Umm, thanks I think 
Although if you check my play, most people did not like my play from Day 1 ie. chasing down role claims and my thoughts on names in the games from Day 1. Although strangely, people seemed to get upset when I changed my mind on it. You know, I get labelled scummy for taking a more townie view. Go figure.
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You seem quick to say “You did it before and you’re doing it again.” I don’t see how what I’m doing is what you’re saying it is. I just find suspicious those who seemingly act it. All thrugh the game SF was showing very anti-Town behavior. I even pointed it out. Even now, she’s showing anti-Town behavior not revealing her role at this point. Now she may be scum or she may really not be. I don’t know. I could be wrong. Very easily. But that doesn’t change the fact or my opinion that she seems to be acting more suspicious than anyone else.
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She may be showing what might be described as anti-town behaviour. But she has been confirmed as town by the Witches and she cannot be a scum as the remaining three have identified themselves. The facts should always be accounted for by your thoughts. You have to be prepared to accept that the person you consider suspicious is town regardless of your personal feelings towards them.
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Me, I was right on DB in FF. And Zoggie as scum in this game. And fluid in MIII. And NAF in MIV. All of those people were scum that I called wayyyyy early on.
As far as I can see, I’ve been right on some and wrong on some with my way of playing so far. The wrong ones were: SnakesCatLady, yourself, and possibly/probaby ShadowFacts.
How is that different from any other person who plays this game? People get others wrong when they’re Town. That’s just how the game goes. It’s something that can’t be helped. Suspicions build up over time and yeah, they do tend to cement sometimes in ones head. But that’s a part of the game. Is it right or wrong? I dunno. But it’s human nature, I feel.
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Everyone has their own successes and failures in spotting scum and town. I will hasten to add that looking back on the reasons for my choices of player roles in the game. I was horribly, horribly wrong on 99% of them.
I managed to get Blaster Master in this game and that is about it, and he more or less hit me over the head with that one.
The main problem is that building up suspicion can be useful, but if it quacks like a duck on Day1, neighs like a horse on Day 2 and moos like a cow on Day 3, what is it? Suspicions are good, but they have to fit the available facts. If they don’t they will not help you or the town.
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She may be showing what might be described as anti-town behaviour. But she has been confirmed as town by the Witches and she cannot be a scum as the remaining three have identified themselves.
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How so? We have claims of two Wolves..that’s two, and there’s one Necro..that’s three. But I think it’s likely there’s still one more Cabalist left. That would be four.
I agree with you.
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How so? We have claims of two Wolves..that’s two, and there’s one Necro..that’s three. But I think it’s likely there’s still one more Cabalist left. That would be four.
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There are no more Cabal, and the Witches know this.
How they know this, well I will leave the Witches to say.
The Witches are pretty positive that the Cabal is all gone. I don’t really want to get very much into how we know, but I think the matter was actually discussed once, or at least strongly alluded to, in the game thread.
Without a Cabal, and knowing Zoggie is scum, and Pleo and Hazel are definitely Wolves, I think you’ve got to give up the hunt against Shadow. Unless you think Shadow’s a third wolf (he can’t be an additional Undead, because the game would have ended this Morning if he was), he has to be town.
But you did call Zoggie earlyas scum in the game, so good job on that. Then again, so did I.
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The Witches are pretty positive that the Cabal is all gone. I don’t really want to get very much into how we know, but I think the matter was actually discussed once, or at least strongly alluded to, in the game thread.
Without a Cabal, and knowing Zoggie is scum, and Pleo and Hazel are definitely Wolves, I think you’ve got to give up the hunt against Shadow. Unless you think Shadow’s a third wolf (he can’t be an additional Undead, because the game would have ended this Morning if he was), he has to be town.
But you did call Zoggie earlyas scum in the game, so good job on that. Then again, so did I.
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**Pleo’s ** a WOLF! :eek:
Does that mean that the scum wins