Mafia: The Conspiracy

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[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
The scum are going to have a field day about PMs being posted. But how was that fair? That sach got to post his? And of all the posts that followed, I didn’t see ANY abomination of it. No, “hmm, I don’t know if you should have done that”. Just all going “okay, we believe you, sach, let’s vote Idle Thoughts based on virtually nothing” I mean what does that do? It makes people, in their minds, see that PM and go “wow, he’s telling the truth.”

That’s not fair, and even if he’s modkilled, it DOESN’T MATTER, because he’d then be revealed as the Coroner and everyone would go onto ME no matter WHAT I SAID. So the only fair thing, then, is for me to be able/allowed to post my PM.
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You know, Idle, I actually think the case against you is fairly weak. You’ll note that I have not voted for you yet. I think much of the reason you are being voted for is your attitude, as typified in the quote above.

Look back - Pleonast was specifically asked if players could quote their Role PMs. He said “yes.” So sachertorte posted his. Nothing nefarious - no reason for anyone to “abominate” it. No reason to for anyone to be modkilled. Your flailing around about it makes you look like a fool.

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EBWOP: Sorry, “fool” may have been a little harsh in my post above. I apologize if that was out of line. Perhaps “petulant whiner” would be more appropriate.

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
You know, Idle, I actually think the case against you is fairly weak. You’ll note that I have not voted for you yet. I think much of the reason you are being voted for is your attitude, as typified in the quote above.

Look back - Pleonast was specifically asked if players could quote their Role PMs. He said “yes.” So sachertorte posted his. Nothing nefarious - no reason for anyone to “abominate” it. No reason to for anyone to be modkilled. Your flailing around about it makes you look like a fool.
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Oh, he did? I have to admit, I did not see this post. It was always restricted in all the games before this one. I guess I just figured it was in this one too.

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But anyway, only one more hour to go. I’m pretty sure I still have the most votes, so you all are about to either kill off or let your Witchdoctor die. If that happens, I only hope there’s another out there (but again, reading my full powers, I find it hard to believe there are two, because that is pretty strong power).

Unvote sach

I don’t know who to vote for. I spent all day either defending myself or asking sach why he wasn’t revealing something that wasn’t any advantage to scum that I saw but MAJORLY advantagous to me if he IS a Freemason.

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[QUOTE=DiggitCamara]
I was quoting sachertorte’s case against you:
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You were misquoting it, implying that I said that Fretful may have tried to night-kill the Vampire when really I was saying no such thing. Even sachertorte left of a good bit of context which makes it clear what I was really referring to:

And oh, by the way, guess who was right? Look at this. One hour before the deadline and we don’t have a clue what we’re doing. For the last time, we need people to get votes in earlier.

I never denied mentioning the Vampire! In the first post that you quoted I explicitly say that I mentioned the Vampire!

You seem to be trying to distort what I’ve said. I don’t like that.

Unvote Idle
Vote DiggitCamera

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Just to be absolutely clear: Players may post what they claim to be their Role PM. I will not confirm the accuracy of these posts.

The reason I am allowing this is because in this game there are no duplicate PMs, as is usual in games with vanilla Townies. No Player can determine the authenticity of a putative Role PM solely by comparing it to his own Role PM.

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[QUOTE=MHaye]
That’s a lot of stuff to absorb.

My gut reaction to Sachertortes claim was that it sounds consistent with typical folklore for both Vampires and Werewolves. Possible, yes. Certain, no.

But it explains why the alignment of revived players is not revealed.

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A Witchdoctor claim makes a perfect cover for a recruiting scum.
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This thought just occurred to me… it makes perfect sense why the coroner should be aware of a recruitment possibility. If it is going to follow the method that sachetorte outlines (which makes sense) then he would have complete information on the dead individual which would serve to HEAVILY sway his information incorrectly, when it’d, in fact, be false information that the rest of the town did not have.

Now, one possibility for no counter-claim of Idle Thoughts is that, if he’s lying, the real Witch Doctor doesn’t think it’s worth claiming when he can just keep his vote on Idle Thoughts. OTOH, we now being aware of this mechanic, and knowing that the Witches are almost certainly in the game if the Cabal are (which means Idle Thoughts would have had reason to believe sachetorte’s claim at the start, if he isn’t in fact Cabal himself, either of which makes him scum), then it might make sense that the Witch Doctor isn’t even in the game and it might make a safe claim.

Thus, a claim of Witch Doctor could fail to be counter-claimed on two counts.

However, I’m not sure last Night can be taken so much at face value. One thing that I’d also failed to take into account is the possibility of the Magician to the mix. If the Magician was targetted, chances are he would have thrown his power onto someone he found suspicious. Since I see no reason to find anyone suspicious, I’d guess that he probably wasn’t targetted last Night. OTOH, he could have also guessed that he’d be sure he was town and if he chose someone at random, he’d be fairly likely to hit scum.

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<rant on>
Idle Thoughts

  1. You got yourself into this situation, no-one did, else so stop complaining.

  2. In terms of today/tomorrow. I thought you were going to wait until Day 3 to tell everyone what you super secret special powers, so I am not surprised that other people did as well.

  3. In terms of quoting PMs, I think you are both idiots for doing so, because you tell the scum exactly what you are capable of. It also doesn’t confirm you in any way whatsoever
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Having got that out of my system, I can now the reasons for the ways both of you have been acting.

Oh grief. :dubious:

I am now going to go back check out my scum list, see if anything has changed and work out who to vote for next.

in the meanwhile

unvote Idle Thoughts

Don’t think you are off the hook Idle Thoughts, you are still the scummiest looking and I want to check your previous posts to make sure they tally.

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Pleonast, I think that your vote count is wrong. I count 10 votes and 4 unvotes for Idle.

There’s also the possibility of the Warlock, although if it was the Warlock’s curse that killed Fretful that doesn’t change sach’s argument against me.

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The boards are getting creaky for me.

If people are going to act, act quickly. We don’t want a repeat of last week.

Although considering we possibly lynched a Cabalist, maybe its not such a bad idea :wink:

j/k Idle j/k

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[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Now, one possibility for no counter-claim of Idle Thoughts is that, if he’s lying, the real Witch Doctor doesn’t think it’s worth claiming when he can just keep his vote on Idle Thoughts. OTOH, we now being aware of this mechanic, and knowing that the Witches are almost certainly in the game if the Cabal are (which means Idle Thoughts would have had reason to believe sachetorte’s claim at the start, if he isn’t in fact Cabal himself, either of which makes him scum), then it might make sense that the Witch Doctor isn’t even in the game and it might make a safe claim.
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You must have no caught up yet. Tell me when you get to where I say my full powers. I can learn the info of any role that is in the game at the time of their death so long as they are Town. If the Dectective dies and hadn’t yet revealed him or herself, I can talk with their dead spirit and get all the investigations. If a Freemason dies (I.E. amrussell maybe), I can talk with him or her and learn who the other Freemasons are and what the secret sign is (you don’t think that would be verification?–Thing is, I didn’t KNOW if amrussell was really a Freemason. Silly me, I expected the role of the Coroner to give out all the info like the role says he can do). If a Witch dies, I can talk with one and learn all that they know and not only that, they would know who I was. That I, Idle Thoughts, was the/a Witchdoctor. How is that not verification?

And on top of all of this, I am able to bring players back to life. BACK INTO THE GAME. Do you not think this would be a huge loss if I were to be lynched? I posted my PM, does it not look legit?

And this just isn’t to you, BM, it’s to everyone who is currently voting for me.
All I have to say is, if anyone still hold their votes on me even though all of this only came from one of three things I can think of (two of them which were false and the other which many others were suspicious over and said so), then I can only think that they are scum and if I die, I REALLY hope the true Townies go for them next and avenge me.

Thus, a claim of Witch Doctor could fail to be counter-claimed on two counts.

However, I’m not sure last Night can be taken so much at face value. One thing that I’d also failed to take into account is the possibility of the Magician to the mix. If the Magician was targetted, chances are he would have thrown his power onto someone he found suspicious. Since I see no reason to find anyone suspicious, I’d guess that he probably wasn’t targetted last Night. OTOH, he could have also guessed that he’d be sure he was town and if he chose someone at random, he’d be fairly likely to hit scum.
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**I can be verified many ways. I can bring people back to life. I can learn ALL of the info of any townie role that they knew upon death. And in the case of the Witches, they’ll know I’m who I say I am too, if I talk with one of them after they die. And I’d still have my own power.

AND, not to mention, those who are revived by me, KNOW THE NAME OF THEIR KILLER.**
Those voting for me are doing so based on one of three things, two of them which are false and one which everyone else expressed at least some suspicion of.

Yet those voters seem to be willing to lynch me off regardless.

Therefore I can only think that anyone who still holds their vote on me by this Day’s end has got to be scum grasping at straws and trying to get me killed in the Day since they they know I’m too powerful to be left in the game.

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Arrggghhh…that post above didn’t go through the first time, so now it looks all weird because I’m basically saying the same thing twice. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Oh, for the love of God, now we have PM posting? :dubious:

Agh, I’m sufficiently satisfied that they may be telling the truth, that I don’t think it’s worth lynching either today. So, to the next person for whom I wouldn’t mind seeing lynched…

Unvote Idle Thoughts
Vote Drain Bead

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On further reflection, Idle, you’re pretty much confirmed after Tonight…

You’re pretty much stuck protecting yourself Tonight, which means if you’re targetted, you die, Sach gets your role, and then you come back a Day later, at which point the Witches can protect you, because when one of them dies, you get talk to her and get her information without revealing the other two.

If you don’t die tonight, that means either the Witches believed you and decided to protect you, or you’re scum.

Oy… this is getting confusing.

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sigh Just as well I got back on for Dusk.

A quick check of [post=9059001]746[/post reveals that Idle did not capitalisethe word “tomorrow.” Consequently I for one am willing to believe that he meant “when I get online in the morning.”

Unvote Idle Thoughts.

Where do we go from here? Don’t ask me. I’m just ging to go back to my former vote, because I’m still suspicious of him. Perhaps I’ll find something better, and perhaps I won’t.

[color=blue]Vote Rysto.

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:smack:

EBWOQ
[QUOTE=MHaye]
sigh Just as well I got back on for Dusk.

A quick check of [post=9059001]746[/post] reveals that Idle did not capitalize the word “tomorrow.” Consequently I for one am willing to believe that he meant “when I get online in the morning.”

Unvote Idle Thoughts.

Where do we go from here? Don’t ask me. I’m just ging to go back to my former vote, because I’m still suspicious of him. Perhaps I’ll find something better, and perhaps I won’t.

Vote Rysto.
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That fixes two failures to close tags and missing a space out.

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Warning: I sometimes miss votes, like Blaster Master’s in post 696. I’m not sure why, I did. But it’s probably wise to double-check that I recorded your vote.

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Okay, the PM doesn’t entirely convince me, because as Pleo clarified, he’s not going to verify them. But the what if is haunting–what if Idle is telling the truth? what if sacher has a good reason for holding out? (And wow, can I just say that I really can’t wait to know about Once and Only Wanderers?)

I’m going to unvote Idle Thoughts

and

go back to my last suspicion of Diggit.

Vote DiggitCamara

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[QUOTE=CatInASuit]
<rant on>
Idle Thoughts

  1. You got yourself into this situation, no-one did, else so stop complaining.
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Oh please.

I did NOTHING. All I did was ask and pressure sach into saying IF OR IF NOT amrussell was a Freemason. You and others have failed to give any good reason WHY the info should be withheld. Especially considering sach said he’s revealing it ANYWAY later. :rolleyes: Well, gee, if only he had done that earlier.

The other things are just all bullcrap. What “why wait until tomorrow? so you can have a free night?” Whatever. That’s so stupid I can’t even wrap my head around it. I meant TOMORROW as in, Wednesday, October tenth since at the time of the post it was Tuesday, October ninth. Not “Tomorrow” as in the Day after this one in-game. I thought it was pretty clear myself in that post and it boggles the mind why nobody would or could ever think I COULD have meant it that way. Everyone was just so quick to jump on the bandwagon. There WERE NO OTHER ways I was suspicious other than asking for and putting pressure on sach, in part because there IS NO reason to withhold it and in part because I WOULD HELP ME too if she’s Town as I could talk with amr having a strong sense he’s really what he said he was and learn who the other Freemasons are, and become, in a way, a Freemason myself only with the power to revive people so that they’ll know their killers.
Any way you cut it…it’s a great loss to Town. Even if you THINK I’m lying, what is people’s motives for not giving me the benifet of the doubt since the risk of being wrong is far greater than if I’m really it? It’s just foolish play. There has been no other claims and scum have to be drooling right now and trying their best to help this along to kill me off right now.

I said tomorrow, lowercase. Not Tomorrow. I also said “if the heat is still on”…since I was the top vote getting yesterday when I roleclaimed and then left, WHY would I say “if I’m still in the hot seat”? I think I’d be more apt to say "If I survive somehow, tomorrow, and then am still in the hot seat the next Day.

Please note, In EVERY past game, I don’t USE tomorrow or yesterday meaning Days in the game. If I do, I cap the word. yesterDay. ToDay. The next Day (I’ve even gone so far as to say: TomorrDay).

“tomorrow” means tomorrow. How else can I say it?

Have at it.

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[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
You’re pretty much stuck protecting yourself Tonight, which means if you’re targetted, you die, Sach gets your role, and then you come back a Day later, at which point the Witches can protect you, because when one of them dies, you get talk to her and get her information without revealing the other two.

If you don’t die tonight, that means either the Witches believed you and decided to protect you, or you’re scum.
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Unless the scum don’t want to risk reveal one of their number by killing someone who they know to be protected by the Witchdoctor. There’s no IMO that the Vampire would risk detection like this. Maybe the Wolves would be willing to trade a Wolf for the Witchdoctor.

Or maybe they won’t kill him and then tomorrow say, “How come the scum didn’t kill you? You must be scum yourself!” Just like what you did here, in fact. :dubious: