Vote Idle Thoughts
Here’s to hoping sach is legit.
[oog]Our offices have been moving this week. We’re done now, so if I’m still around Tomorrow I’ll post quite a bit more[/oog]
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
The town is simply going to have to be patient. I’ve given the matter considerable thought, and no Role information is going to be revealed by me Today. Simply put, I’m baffled by the logic put forth otherwise.
Idle Thoughts’s statement that he will reveal his special power Tomorrow has me greatly concerned. I’m not sure how to interpret that. It’s a bit ironic/hypocritical, but I’m left wondering, why tomorrow?
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Because it was Midnight here and I was tired and wanted to sleep, that’s why. Plus I figure I’ll wait as long as possible toDay before revealing ALL of my powers. Stupid me, I figure I’ll give the true Townies out there a chance to unvote so I wouldn’t have to reveal all my powers. I meant tomorrow as in tomorrow REAL DAY (I.E. today) not Tomorrow Game Day.
Sleep, which I did.
I didn’t say live through one more Night. I said very plainly:
“Tomorrow if I’m still in the hot seat”.
That means TODAY before NOON PST. Not the next Day. You took tomorrow to mean another Night passes in the game. I meant tomorrow as in, I go to sleep, get up, and it’s today.
Time to catch up on the topic.
Anyway, I still appear to be in the hot seat so as promised TODAY (I.E. YESTERDAY I WOULD HAVE SAID “TOMORROW” :rolleyes:) here are my full powers.
I can bring back one person to life a Night. This power can only be used once on a person, however if it doesn’t bring them back they may be enchanted again. It is only when a person is brought back (and it works) that I can’t do it again.
But that’s not all.
ONE time in the game, on ONE Night, I may talk with a dead person. This person MUST be a Townie. If it’s not and I try to talk to them, I WASTE MY PRIVLEDGE OF DOING SO. I may talk with this person anytime after they’re dead, but again, just as long as they are Town.
When I do, I will learn ALL they know. If it’s the/a Dectective who is dead, I will learn all they knew up until death. If it’s a Freemason, I will learn who the other Freemasons are and the secret sign of recognition. And…
…if it’s a Witch, not ONLY will I know who the other Witches are, but THEY WILL KNOW WHO I AM (I assume this is because dead Witches are allowed to talk with their living counterparts).
So you see, I can take the place of any dead role that has knowledge or info if need be.
So, what do we have here?
We have you all about to lynch me, your own Witchdoctor because:
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I was suspicious of sach for not saying a “he is” or “isn’t” “a Freemason”
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My question about mass-roleclaiming is being used against me because it’s being twisted to look like it was an idea and
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Because sach thought I meant tomorrow as in the next game Day other than tomorrow TOMORROW.
All of this even though: -
I am one of the most powerful roles in the game.
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I’m betting there’s only one of me and
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There have been no counterclaims.
Do I have this all right?
Whoever you true Townies out there who are voting for me, you’re being incredibly foolish right now.
[QUOTE=Hal Briston]
Catch-up time:
Pshaw. Which takes longer – a quick-hit post after scanning a thread, or catching up on a couple of pages of posts in a game that requires a thorough, careful read of every post? Starting a pit thread took five minutes – catching up here took a couple of hours.
Upon further reading, thanks Zoggie and Blaster Master for noting the same points.
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Look, I’m getting as tired of posting about non-participation as everyone else is about hearing about it from me. I fell like I’m setting myself up to get lynched because people are going to be sick of hearing from the Game Nanny ™ 
This is going to be my last post on the topic (although I will still vote for non-participators).
But the simple point of fact is this: the less you post, the less likely you are to be on anyone’s radar, and scum use that fact to hide. It’s happened in every game I’ve read here on the Dope. It’s happening in this game right now. Who are the least prolific posters? You, nesta, MadtheSwine, maybe Blaster. Is there any discussion about any of you (besides from me)? No. Does anyone have you on their suspicion lists? Doesn’t seem like it. We know next to nothing about what you think, who you suspect, etc. Fast forward a couple Days to when we start hearing about how people aren’t sure who to vote for because they “can’t get a read on [insert names here].”
Participation from everyone is important to the Town. We need people to post, to get their thoughts and also in the hopes that scum will slip up. The ONLY way to catch scum is for them to post and vote so we can catch them lying, look at voting patterns, etc. It is in scum’s best interest to play it safe, post as little as possible, and let the Town attack each other. Everyone knows it. Town players have to “man up”, take the risks that posting entails, and PLAY.
Blaster Master is correct when he says that non-participation is not necessarily a scum tell. There are many reasons why someone may not be able to post much. But not participating is not helping the town, and that should be reason enough for any townie to participate. I don’t understand why this isn’t blatantly obvious to everyone.
That’s it. Rant over. Hopefully that’s the last I’ll ever say about it. 
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
which baffles me because in my opinion such data would be of very little value towards confirming my role.
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Yeah, it would.
Plus it would let ME have know he WAS a Freemason and I might have taken a chance in talking with him this upcoming Night (I.E. Before we learned his role). But you refuse to give that knowledge out.
I can become known to the Witches if I talk to one of them after they die and I will learn who the rest are. I am certainly verifiable too. More than you, I’d say.
I can also talk with amr and learn all HE knew, who the other Freemasons are, knowing the secret sign, AND STILL HAVING MY RESURRECTION POWER NIGHTLY. It’s so dumb that you guys are willing to lynch me off when there is almost nothing against me and nobody has counter-claimed.
Either because you’re blindsided or you’re scum.
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
The Witchdoctor should be able to confirm whether or not he/she enchanted the revived player. If the witchdoctor is dead, well you know what to do.
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And the latter is soon about to be the case if people don’t unvote me in about 2 more hours.
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
Now that brings us to Idle Thoughts and the needling fact that I’m not confirmed yet.
It is my opinion that Idle Thoughts has the ‘special power’ of recruitment. This would explain why he is so keen on revealing his power Tomorrow instead of Today.
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As I’ve said already, I meant tomorrow WEDNESDAY, since it was TUESDAY for me when I made that post. REread it. It’s glaringly obvious. You have nothing on me there. :rolleyes:
It’s nice to think that isn’t it? But this is before you knew about my full powers. IT’S VERY EASY FOR ME TO BE CONFIRMED. I will just wait and talk with another player that I know to be Town, preferribly a Witch. They will then ALL KNOW I’m telling the truth, plus I will know who they are, PLUS I WILL STILL HAVE MY POWERS to enchant one person a Night.
The problem is, I’m not confirmed yet; so the Town has little reason to believe me yet.
If we wait until tomorrow, Idle Thoughts will have the opportunity to recruit…
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Only thing is, I meant tomorrow = today, in that post. So you’re way off your rocker here.
I’m not surprised that there have been no counter-claims to the Witchdoctor(counter-claiming would be a death sentence), but…
I think that I believe you. The special ability you claim is perfectly in keeping with your claimed role.
I’m beginning to have grave misgivings about the lynch Idle bandwagon. For one thing, it seems like too many people are getting on it – that can be a sign of a Townsperson getting railroaded(or, that Idle is Undead). The sequence of events with sachertorte is really making me uneasy now. He steadfastly refused to give any reasons for not revealing Roles, but then, as soon as there’s a Witchdoctor claim, he says that some scum might have resurrection abilities like the Witchdoctor’s. It seems a bit convenient. I’m not entirely happy with how cagey sachertorte’s been today and we need to remember that the only thing that we have in favour of his claim is his information, which we can’t confirm at all. I might feel better if we could hold off a bit and see Pleonast’s Side reveals before acting on this information.
sigh These role claims have me all confused. I need to do a re-read.
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
Why no statement about Fretful Porpentine? I read this as “I killed amrussell, I didn’t recruit her”
When I saw that recruitment was an option, I felt that maybe the Vampire would opt to recruit ASAP since if he died, then the opportunity is wasted. I was also worried that if amrussell were recruited she would reveal who all the other masons are (immunity makes sense from a game balance point of view now that I think about it). So the good news is amrussell was not recruited, at least not by Idle Thoughts.
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I wasn’t even voting for amrussell. I didn’t enchant him last Night.
The person I DID enchant was YOU, if you want to know, because I actually believed, at first, you were the Coroner. Silly me, huh! But then, come Day (this one), you not able to reveal if amr was a Freemason or not made me suspicious.
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
I had another thought about Idle Thoughts:
When Idle Thoughts first stated that he had a secret power, my immediate reaction was I believed it. I had secret information, so it made sense to me that other players might also have secret information (or powers). But as I thought about the situation, the probability that ‘secret power’ == scum recruitment became greater and greater.
I bring this up because Idle Thoughts was riding me very hard saying there is no reason why I would not reveal more information about amrussell. If Idle Thoughts is truly pro-town and truly had a secret power, then he would not have pursued me with such vigor. Any Townie with a secret power would have assumed something secret was why I was being so silent.
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Sorry, but the two are not equal. YOU could say if someone is a role or not and it gives nothing away. MY power, as you see, could actually have been used by Scum to say “oh hey, I’m a Witchdoctor and here’s a secret power” had I come out with it. That was my ace in the hole. Seriously. If everyone knows ALL ABOUT A CERTAIN ROLE, they can then successfully claim it without anyone going “ahhh, but I am this role too and THIS is secret power you apparently don’t know about. Thus I don’t think you are this role”.
Whereas your info in just saying “YES OR NO” to something doesn’t give any info. We’re going to learn it Tomorrow anyway (note the cap there, sach. I ALWAYS CAP Day when I mean game Day and lowercase it when I mean real life day.). Only then, you’ll also be short one Witchdoctor to help you.
I can bring people back to LIFE. AND THEY’D KNOW their killers!
I can learn all that people know about their role at the time of their death. ALL INFO that they know.
I’m probably one of the most powerful roles in the game!
Yet you all are really ready to lynch me, even though there has been no counter-claim and all you have is two things that are wrong (me being tomorrow/today and my “idea” of mass roleclaiming being a question) and one thing that I’ve seen about SEVEN OTHERS say is suspicious too (the fact that sach wasn’t saying anything either way)?
My God.
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
I never expected that Idle Thoughts would tip his hand and allow me to expose recruitment in this way. (Plus I could be wrong about Idle Thoughts. I don’t know that he’s scum, I just very very strongly suspect).
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Whatever, you’re just covering your own ass here so when it’s shown that I’m Town and then that I’m the Witchdoctor, nobody will be against you.
But you just voted for me in the light of a powerful roleclaim with no counterclaim. If I go, I hope you’re next.
[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
Idle Thoughts, I am rapidly beginning to believe that you are full of shit.
Again, you have ignored this point. Even though you quoted it, you continue to ignore it:
Idle Thoughts, where is the coroner if not him?
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Maybe being silent right now? Maybe there isn’t one? Or maybe sach is him and he’s just ignorant to the fact that revealing roles (or, at the least, just saying he is or isn’t something) wouldn’t give any extra info or advantage to scum?
Read my reply to sach about it. The two are not alike. I have given a reason why. HE had given NO reason (and nobody else could come up with any good reasons either).
[QUOTE=Rysto]
I’m not surprised that there have been no counter-claims to the Witchdoctor(counter-claiming would be a death sentence), but…
I think that I believe you. The special ability you claim is perfectly in keeping with your claimed role.
I’m beginning to have grave misgivings about the lynch Idle bandwagon. For one thing, it seems like too many people are getting on it – that can be a sign of a Townsperson getting railroaded(or, that Idle is Undead). The sequence of events with sachertorte is really making me uneasy now. He steadfastly refused to give any reasons for not revealing Roles, but then, as soon as there’s a Witchdoctor claim, he says that some scum might have resurrection abilities like the Witchdoctor’s. It seems a bit convenient. I’m not entirely happy with how cagey sachertorte’s been today and we need to remember that the only thing that we have in favour of his claim is his information, which we can’t confirm at all. I might feel better if we could hold off a bit and see Pleonast’s Side reveals before acting on this information.
sigh These role claims have me all confused. I need to do a re-read.
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I’m really confused by your tack here, Rysto. sachertorte has already said that he’s going to reveal his info at the 11th hour, in order to clear himself. Are you suggesting a no-lynch? Or that we lynch sachertorte, anyways?
HEY! SACH POSTED HER PM!
Does that mean I can post mine too?
THAT’S AGAINST THE RULES!
Man, that’s bullshit.
I’m going to post my PM if he’s allowed to.
I was not aware we could quote PMs word for word in this game. Well, fuck, I’ll do that too and let you all see for yourself.
Here you go.
[QUOTE=Diomedes]
I’m really confused by your tack here, Rysto. sachertorte has already said that he’s going to reveal his info at the 11th hour, in order to clear himself. Are you suggesting a no-lynch? Or that we lynch sachertorte, anyways?
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I’m just expressing misgivings about the origins of this bandwagon, is all. We shouldn’t even consider lynching sach before we get Side information from Pleonast. I’m just wondering if proceeding blindly based on his information is a good idea when we’ll have a much better idea tomorrow whether sach really is the Coroner.
Crapitty.
Unvote Idle Thoughts
Just can’t do it…losing the Witch Doctor would be too big a blow. As to where my vote goes, I now officially have no fricking clue…
[QUOTE=Rysto]
I’m just expressing misgivings about the origins of this bandwagon, is all. We shouldn’t even consider lynching sach before we get Side information from Pleonast. I’m just wondering if proceeding blindly based on his information is a good idea when we’ll have a much better idea tomorrow whether sach really is the Coroner.
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sachertorte’s reliability aside, I think we need to consider the possibility that sach and Idle could both be Town.
It was foolish to vote for me in the first place. What? that I said “tomorrow” and MEANT literally, tomorrow? :rolleyes:
That I had a question about something earlier and it’s not painted as an “idea” or “suggestion”?
Or the fact that I just thought sach should say if a player was a Freemason or not…something many others found suspicious?
Geez, come on people. Are we really willing to lynch powerful roles, even in the event of no counterclaim AND IT BEING VERIFIED EASILY, like mine is (see, I learn the info of other power roles)?
If so, you true Town out there are toast.
The scum are going to have a field day about PMs being posted. But how was that fair? That sach got to post his? And of all the posts that followed, I didn’t see ANY abomination of it. No, “hmm, I don’t know if you should have done that”. Just all going “okay, we believe you, sach, let’s vote Idle Thoughts based on virtually nothing” I mean what does that do? It makes people, in their minds, see that PM and go “wow, he’s telling the truth.”
That’s not fair, and even if he’s modkilled, it DOESN’T MATTER, because he’d then be revealed as the Coroner and everyone would go onto ME no matter WHAT I SAID. So the only fair thing, then, is for me to be able/allowed to post my PM.
not=now in the post above.
Let me get this out of the way before time runs out.
Unvote Idle Thoughts
We can’t take the chance on lynching him now. **Sachertorte’s ** reason’s for not revealing the additional information make a lot of sense. I can now see why **Idle ** was pushing for the info in light of his secret power. I think they are both who they say they are. Which leaves me to vote for the next person I think is scum. After reading through **Sach’s ** manifesto, Rysto ** is not looking too good in my eyes.
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Vote Rysto
[QUOTE=Rysto]
Excuse me? I did no such thing. I was talking about how trying to plan for every possible role claim was impossible, and backed that up with an example. I myself had said on Day 1 that the Werewolves would be happy to night-kill a claimed Seer, because even if it was the Vampire, for instance, the Wolves would kill off a competitor. That, as I said earlier toDay was balderdash because the Vampires can’t be night-killed by anyone but the Vig. In fact, when I posted this I had totally forgotten that the whoever tries to night-kill a Vampire gets killed themselves!
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I was quoting sachertorte’s case against you:
Why the sudden change in perspective? Is it possible that Rysto, along with Fretful Porpentine selected the Vampire and had Fretful do the deed, and so the events of Night One reminded Rysto of the Vampires night abilities? I find it peculiar that Rysto mentions the Vampire’s night abilities so early in Day Two.
In the same post (561) Rysto also states:
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and as you can see, you did mention the Vampire. You may not have mentioned his specific abilities but the theory sacher expanded on resonates with me nonetheless.