Yes, you made it very clear.
So why am I not dead?
Hawk?
So Mosier didn’t die from poisoning, Suburban didn’t die from Hal’s theoretical power, and scum didn’t successfully target anyone.
I’m going to go with a Torchwood scenario where death is now impossible for all mankind!
OK, then why didn’t you die?
And why didn’t the Scum kill anyone?
Something hinky is going on here…
It almost sounds like the Miller acted last Night (or rather the Parson using the Miller’s power)…except that he should have died…
I am very confused.
*Bolded by me
Sounds to me like player/s found a loophole, if that’s the case can a experienced player take some guesses on what possibly could have happened?
Not only would he have been cast out of the game, but his power (as I’m reading it) should not have affected the poisoning. The Miller’s power blocks a person’s role, not (again as I’m interpreting it) a person’s previously completed action. So if Mosier really was poisoned, neither the Miller nor the Parson could have stopped it.
Given the town roles and the information we have out in the open, Mosier should have died. So my two leading theories at this point:
- Mosier isn’t really poisoned.
- Someone has lied about a role claim or at least the actions taken given their role.
So both RyJae and Mosier claimed that Mosier was poisoned.
I got the PM saying he was poisoned. There must be a loophole, reading storytellers color pretty much says as much. What the loophole is, and why no one died at all is what we need to find out.
Lets go with everyone was 100% honest, and see if we can find anything in the rules/roles that could have possibly been done. I am going to read them with a fine tooth comb myself and see if something sticks out.
Another possibility: Mosier is the Seraph – although I’m not even sure if that really fits.
The Seraph rules state “All other methods of killing, including poison, are useless against him/her”. What is the great unknown here is if scum tried to poison the Seraph, would he appear as poisoned to the Physician, even though the poison would ultimiately fail? If so, there’s our answer – he was poisoned, and then he shook it off.
Mosier being the Seraph is the option that jumped out of the rules for me. If so, it’s problematic because the Seraph cannot be protected against sacrificial knives.
Another alternative is that Alka played an absolute blinder by lying about his power use, thus encouraging scum to use the poison thinking it couldn’t be counteracted. However, RyJae’s last post suggests this isn’t the case, as he’s still claiming to be baffled.
Still another alternative is that both Alka/Ryjae and Mosier are scum; that the “poisoning” was a lie to build town cred; that they hope the confusion over the non-death won’t see us testing this hypothesis with the noose. It seems rather far-fetched.
A final theory is that scum poisoned Mosier and protected him with the Hawk, all in order to buy him cred. The rules seem pretty clear:
However, we also have this:
I’m willing to bet that when story wrote the rules he didn’t consider the possibility that scum would poison themselves. So he might well have had to come to a decision about which rule (“only defence” vs “absolute protection”) took priority.
So the options I’ve come up with are:
- Mosier = Seraph
- Alka = magnificent lying bastard
- Ryjae & Mosier = lying scum
- Mosier = scum using the Hawk.
So if I’m scum and the hawk protected me, why didn’t Suburban die? What protected him from the shipman?
I’m the seraph. Scum know this now, so the rest of you might as well know too. I was poisoned, but didn’t die.
Now, why didn’t suburban die?
However, let us not forget that we apparently have two other non-deaths to account for:
- Hal’s failed attempt on SP.
- The ordinary scum NK.
For 1) there are two basic theories: Hal’s lying about his powers; SP was protected.
If SP was protected, that either means direct protection, or someone blocking Hal. I can see the latter being quite likely. Hal evidently didn’t get a message to that effect though.
There’s no way to test if Hal’s lying, but I am exceptionally suspicious of people who claim powers but who just, gosh-darn it, can’t actually use them.
For 2) there are a number of options: shrewd guessing by a protector; shrewd guessing by a blocker; Scum being able to trade an NK for some other, better power; Scum messing with our heads; some hidden Town power…
Really too much to guess, though if the Cook did successfully block someone on the night of an NK I think that would be worth sharing.
Mosier, have you used your powers again?
Stanislaus, you guys dominated in De’endee because town refused to lynch Red Skeezix (claimed vigilante) despite 4 nights’ worth of no extra kills.
So, I’m kinda leery myself of people who claim powers they can’t demonstrate.
Not this. Scum can use the knives and another power in the same night, from what I’m reading. They just cant use the same person to do both.
“Too much to guess” with 100% accuracy maybe. I know what the most likely explanation is; the hawk protected SP. To assume otherwise would mean TWO different protectors/role blockers would have had to just happen to protect two people who just happened to be targetted by the only two kills that night. SP being scum protected by the hawk only leaves 1 unexplained death.
Listen, we’re at the point where we just can’t screw around anymore. Each one of us that dies gives the scum block more influence to affect votes. It’s almost to the point where there are enough scum votes to lynch whoever they want. We need perfect cooperation to kill scum now, and we can’t just go jump on whatever bandwagon is popular, because scum can create the “popular” bandwagon all by themselves!
I hope by now everyone knows I’m confirmed town. I will Vote: Suburban Plankton today, and I hope the rest of the town has enough sense not to split the vote by going off on their own tangents. Don’t let scum convince you not to vote for Suburban today! We need nearly 100% cooperation from the active players to lynch anyone!
When SP comes up scum, and assuming I survive the night (ha!), I will be voting RyJae tomorrow. SP was RyJae’s most vigorous defender when I voted for him. The defense can be summed up pretty nicely as “sure, your argument is perfectly reasonable and RyJae might be scum, but by golly it’s just not enough for me to vote for him.”
It’s crunch time.
Well, I know the move I made last night, and based on the no-kill, I don’t see any non-hidden power that could have blocked it. If someone can point out a non-Hawk reason my kill was blocked*, then I’d love to hear it. Otherwise, that puts my suspicions for SP over the top.
Vote Suburban Plankton
*FTR, I PM’d story to try and find out if I was blocked or if Plankton was protected – huge difference there. Haven’t heard back yet.
I can point out two non-Hawk reasons why your kill didn’t go through.
1.) Someone protected me. We have two Doctor roles whose powers had not, as far as we know, been used before last Night.
2.) The Cook blocked you.
You weren’t exactly coy about what your Night action was going to be, and there were a number of people who didn’t entirely trust you, so it wouldn’t come as any big surprise if someone decided not to let you follow through.
I’ll reserve full analysis of this until after I hear back from story on my above question (back-to-back meetings the next couple of hours will see to that), but my initial thought is that I have a hard time believing one of those roles would use their power to protect an unknown – especially since using that power would cause hawk-based suspicion to fall on you.
So none of our protective roles should ever target an Unknown? That would be great for Scum if it were the case; they could just target into the unknown pool to take out Power Roles without fear of their kills being foiled, while leaving all of the claimed (and now Vanilla) players alone.
And it seems to me that if you were blocked, then the intent would not necessarily have been to “save **Suburban **from possibly being killed”, but rather to “prevent **Hal **from doing whatever he plans to do”.
Are you quite certain the Hawk is in play?
Truthfully, I don’t entirely trust Hal either, but given that, were I to have the power I wouldn’t have blocked Hal’s kill because Hal using his power is the only way to convince me he’s telling the truth.
A block of Hal’s power says that you’re already convinced of wha he claims and you don’t want to see his plan come to fruition.