Sorry to double-post but I can’t believe EOD is tomorrow morning and we only have five votes. Yipe. You guys who unvoted septimus* need to hurry and find a new candidate, please.
choie, I just got the chance to read your case against Inner Stickler and I can’t fault you voting him based on your analysis. But overall, I did not find his play as scummy as you did, even while reading your case. I thought a lot of it was just a playstyle difference.
Also, you mention that he did not comment on fisha’s death even though he was one of her voters. I don’t find this unusual and you will notice I did not comment on it either. I have taken part in killing enough teammates that I think I have gotten over the guilt of it. Also, (and this applies primarily to newer players) it is often considered a scum tell to show much remorse about a townie dying.
You are correct, though, that his posts contain a high proportion of “helpful” content. And that could very well be a way that he is trying to hide as scum.
I am going to review Scathach now (or maybe after the poker game).
A couple of thoughts.
Are we going to buy a Doctor claim with a dead bodyguard?
I suppose it’s possible, but it makes me wonder what the Scum team has if we had 2 protective roles. Maybe that lends a little more support to a Serial Killer.
I remember playing with fubbles before, but I don’t remember this style of play. Does anyone with a better memory have an opinion?
For the time being
Vote: fubbleskag
I really can’t play in 3 games at once with this level of apathy for doing research.
Once again I get votes because people think I’m a better player than I am. It would be heartwarming if it weren’t so depressing.
vote scathach
I am agreed with guiri that septimus being alive tomorrow says nothing about his alignment and if scum have a roleblocker then he’s already screwed anyway.
The only other game I remember playing with fubbles was Meeko’s zoo game where he, as the cop, apparently incorrectly reported his investigations for at least two people. We never got an answer as to why that happened, as I recall.
Svejk, why do you think Scathach is the most likely scum out of the pile of lurkers you mentioned?
Sorry, that question probably was not clear. Let me ask this. Why I am not considered as suspicious as Scathach?
Sorry I haven’t posted nearly as much as I probably should, between work, and my wife’s honey do list, and well, my procrastination (yea, I’m a serial procrastinator… I knew I had to post, so I put it off.. Sorry…), I haven’t spent as much time as I should here. Specially with the day ending… Well, I’ve read though the thread, and I’ve decieded who seems scummiest to me, and will go ahead and vote. (What time Friday is EOD again anyhow?)
Vote Scathach
Here is Scathach’s posts so far (since the game started, excluded posts before the confirmation), and the reason I voted.
Mentions that she doesn’t know about game balance, so can only comment on posts, yet, she doesn’t seem to do much actual posting about peoples posts.
Can’t really complain too much about her complaining about Day one. I’ve always hated day one myself, never have a clue on who to vote for. I missed day one myself, so can’t call her on that.
Says who isn’t scummy, doesn’t give any posts about who might be. Again, day one, hard to tell on people then, but she isn’t really commenting on posts like she said she would do on her first post.
She says she’ll look at other people after this post, but I still haven’t seen her actually scum hunting.
A list of people who have voted, and her lean on them. No comment on why, or where, just a “lean”. Why does she have these impressions? Why does she find someone town or scum?
A little bit more on listing people, but still doesn’t give good reasons for any leanings.
Still, lists everyone as town, can’t find anything “scummy” with them, she just seems to list everyone as “I don’t know” or town… The only one she has any scum lean on is Silver Jan, but she can’t give a reason.
She was pretty active on day one, at least compared to some people (like me!), yet, she never voted, and never then claims not knowing when EOD was. This sounds like a scum who was planning on voting at the last second, yet forgot when EOD was, so missed the last second…
Again, hard for me to judge someone for not voting on day one, since after all, I missed the whole freaking day. I know my excuse was because of work, but she was here, and her only excuse is “I forgot when EOD was”…
Says she would have voted for someone that would have saved the townie lynch… even though it is too late to do anything.. Seems to me like saying “If only I knew when EOD was, I would have saved the townie, and we would have gotten the scum!!!”… Seems she is saying the lynch wasn’t her fault… if (or as I believe when) Scathach flips scum, I would check out the other two candidates, since she seems to be defending them, there might be a scum in one of them.
Just a link to her previous post.
(Vote bleached)
No comments about the deaths of two town power roles at the end of the night. No sadness, or wondering how it happened. Just starting out voting for someone, for what I think is a poor reason. Seems to me like she is trying to get a vote in, because she missed the previous day, without thinking through case. This vote might be ok on Day 1, but, it seems to be stretching it for a day 2 post (IMHO of course).
Ok, I admit I might have deserved a comment about this, after all, I never did post. I’ll also admit, this is the post that really made me look at Scathach in the first place. I’d expect a townie player to post something about asking for a mod message to nudge me to play, or a sub to be found. But, Scathach went right into looking for a mod-kill. Since I know I’m town, this looks to me like a scum trying to get an extra kill without any work.
I admit, it put her on my radar, and made me look into her posts. I hope the fact the comment was against me, won’t turn anyone off my case against her.
She is defending herself from Švejk’s comments, still doesn’t make a valid case against anyone.
Accuses Mahaloth of making an easy vote, while I haven’t really weighed Mahaloth’s vote too much, this comment seems more like the type a scum would make to try deflecting a vote onto someone else.
So Mahaloth’s post is the most suspicious of all the posts you have seen so far? Then, why is your vote still on Inner Stickler? If he is really the most suspicious, I would expect a vote change, or at least a comment debating between the two.
So far, of all the people I see posting, the scummiest person I’ve noticed is [Scathach**. I believe I’m correct in this vote, and honestly, this is the first time I’ve ever actually been confident in a vote I’ve placed in a long time…
I reviewed Scathach (since I thought Svejk’s case seemed reasonable) and fubbleskag(since he pinged me while I was reviewing other player’s yesterday) and I am going to
Vote Scathach
Honestly, I didn’t find the case as strong on review as I thought I would based on Svejk’s post. But I feel she stills comes across as the scummiest player besides septimus. The primary indicator to me was her “lean town”, “lean scum” evaluations of players without any real reasoning. Along with the fact that she seemed to be avoiding commenting on several players and could only say “lean scum” about a couple.
Yowsa. Talk about a bandwagon. I’m just not seeing the scumminess in Scathach, but God knows this wouldn’t be the first time I didn’t see a scum right in front of me.
If Scathach is lynched and flips Scum, awesome! If Scathach flips Town, OTOH… y’all hopping aboard this runaway train are gonna have some ‘splainin’ to do.
I do believe she’ll flip scum… However, I will mention, I didn’t realize there was a “bandwagon” on her at the time I started to compose my post. I started composing my post earlier in the day before septimus even made his claim… just took me a long time to actually complete the post (that’s what happens when the wife is still awake).
Though, I do believe this is all besides the point, since I really do have a scum feeling from Scathach, and honestly believe I’ve picked correctly.
Vote Count:
scathach (4): Svejk, Inner Stickler, Hirka T’Bawa, Mental Guy
Inner Stickler (2): Scathach, choie
fubbleskag (1): Special Ed
Spec Ed (1): Mahaloth
GuiriEnEspana (1): septimus
I always find these helpful. I’ll continue to update this throughout the game:
Day One
Guiri vf InnerStickler, post 81
[del]Guiri unvote InnerStickler,[/del] vf Choie, post 82
Svejk vf Silver Jan, post 119
Precambrianmollusc vf Svejk, post 136
Mahaloth vf Svejk, post 159
Astral Rejection vf Precambrianmollusc, post 193
Choie vf fluiddruid, post 207
Septimus vf Precambrianmollusc, post 214
Wevets vf fluiddruid, post 219
fubbleskag vf abstention, post 223
[del]Mahaloth unvote Svejk,[/del] vf Fubbleskag, post 235
MentalGuy vf Mahaloth, post 254
fluiddruid vf wevets, post 266
[del]wevets unvote fluiddruid,[/del] vf Precambrianmollusc, post 278
Precambrianmollusc vf wevets, post 279 (this vote was not counted by Trepa Mayfield)
Fisha vf Silver Jan, post 301
[del]Precambrianmollusc unvote Svejk, post 310[/del]
Silver Jan vf Fisha, post 318
[del]MentalGuy unvote Mahaloth,[/del] vf Fisha, post 323
[del]Svejk unvote Silver Jan, post 329[/del]
[del]Astral Rejection unvote Precambrianmollusc,[/del] vf fubbleskag, post 331
At this point, Trepa counts Precambrianmollusc’s vote for wevets., post 341
special ed vf Choie, post 351
Inner Stickler vf fisha, post 357
fubbleskag vf Precambrianmollusc
[del]Choie unvote fluiddruid,[/del] vf Inner Stickler, post 360
Svejk vf special ed, post 361
[del]Astral Rejection unvote fubbleskag,[/del] vf wevets, post 364
gnarlycharlie vf Mahaloth, post 370
Did not vote: gregorio, scathach, Hirka T’Bawa, orcenio,
Lynch result: Fisha is lynched.
Night kill results: Gregorio and wevets are killed.
Day 2
Scathach vf Inner Stickler, post 448
Septimus vf GuiriEnEspana, post 505
GuiriEnEspana vf Septimus, post 510
Astral Rejection vf Septimus, post 513
Svejk vf Scathach, post 520
MentalGuy vf Septimus, post 522
Choie vf Inner Stickler, post 524
fubbleskag vf Septimus, post 525
Mahaloth vf special ed, post 528
[del]Astral Rejection unvote Septimus, post 532[/del]
[del]MentalGuy unvote Septimus, post 533[/del]
[del]fubbleskag unvote Septimus, post 536[/del]
[del]GuiriEnEspana unvote Septimus, post 538[/del]
special ed vf fubbleskag, post 543
Inner Stickler vf Scathach, post 544
Hirka T’Bawa vf Scathach, post 548
MentalGuy vf Scathach, post 549
Case coming in a little bit.
When I was doing my vote list up above, I originally wrote (joke vote) after the first two votes of the game, because I honestly thought they weren’t seriously meant. Then, as I went on, I started to realize that Guiri really meant those votes, because after her second vote, she never moved.
Here are those two votes:
These posts, #81 and #82 respectively, are the first and second votes of the game. 294 posts will follow these before Day ends, but Guiri never budges. Her output is tremendous (43 posts so far, 4th highest in game) and extremely helpful, asking questions, poking, and prodding. But it boggles my mind that nothing in those 294 posts strikes her as more compelling than her original off the cuff vote for Choie.
Guiri does claim that of the top three, she’d prefer to see Precambrian die:
But Guiri doesn’t move her vote. Guiri will later say something slightly different:
I feel that Guiri’s Day 1 votes are terrible, and her voting ignores the entirety of Day 1. She makes a ton of comments and questions about other players, but never enforces her suspicions with a vote. She has no opinion on the three top lynch options of the day. There’s a lot of talk, but it never seems to go anywhere. I really want to vote Guiri for these reasons.
But, I’m torn. Guiri’s output today has been pretty solid. I found the case on Septimus enticing… it seems to be a solid bit of townie casemaking. You have to ignore the results, obviously; outing a possible Doctor is no bueno. The case itself seemed genuine, though.
I’ll need to consider other options before deciding if Guiri warrants my vote.
In a separate post, because it has nothing to do with Guiri:
fubbleskag… what’s up with you? A post with all smileys? A copy and paste of my post? What’s your angle?
I left my vote on the player I wanted to see lynched. I explained why I hadn’t moved my vote here, it was no longer a joke vote and had reasons to suspect she was scum. I didn’t find the cases against the main lynch candidates compelling in #350. In #368 I referred to the to the top three candidates but my vote on choie indicated my preferred candidate who was within one vote of the leaders.
Back shortly.
Woah, didn’t see the massive bandwagon coming when I signed off last night :o
Ok, I know I haven’t been very active this week, incredibly busy at work culminating in getting sick on Wednesday and taking Thursday off sick (hence why I sounded so cranky in defending myself when I posted yesterday).
I haven’t done a big Wall-of-Words on Inner because I was in a rush when I posted, knew I’d be busy and wanted to make absolutely certain I’d have a a vote in this time. But really, there isn’t much to say on why I voted for him, when I read over all his posts (I was reading through the posts of everyone I didn’t have a town lean on in order) it just really stood out to me that he’d posted an awful lot of help and snuggling and that was about it, even his vote was as noncontroversial as possible.
Now, lynching me isn’t the absolute worst role claim …Vanilla Townie 
So at least you won’t lose a power role over this.
I stand by my vote on Inner. But I also don’t like Hirka’s reasons for voting me. Just going to comment on a few parts of his post. (in spoilers for size)
I had already said that I didn’t have any good cases so I hated chiming in with me too on other’s cases. However, people said that it’s worth agreeing or disagreeing or at least getting your thoughts out there so I did. Those posts were not “making cases” - they were infodumps of what I thought.
My forgetting when EOD was is more scummy than you not posting for the whole day?
I said I would have voted for PCM (who you’ll note, I said I had a scum lean on earlier in the day). I also said that I now thought PCM was probably town. So I certainly wasn’t claiming I would have saved a town player.
I really don’t understand why people think me posting “Oh shucks, two more town down. Wonder if we have a Vig or SK” would have been so super townie but fair enough. I don’t really post at night either if there’s no strategy talk allowed because I think it’s pointless. As for my vote on Inner, fine it’s more of a gut feeling than anything else. YMMV and obviously does.
Fair enough really, I should have said mod nudge. But I was mildly grumpy that I was getting a lot of crap for missing EOD when you’d missed the whole thing.
This is completely unfair. I posted that at very near the beginning of Day 1, and you’re asking me why I voted someone differently on Day 2? Because I subsequently found someone more suspicious, I mean, how is this even a question?
Prepare to be disappointed. 
Meh. I’ve expressed suspicion of Scathach previously, mainly due to our interactions on D1 in relation to her smudge on Mahaloth and lack of involvement, but I am not a fan of these votes on her:
Inner votes Scathach without comment, absolutely no justification? There were votes on Special Ed, Fubbles and myself, why choose Scathach?
Hirka confuses her posts, and doesn’t seem to notice that Wevets is also dead. I’ll use his own words back at him: “Seems to me like [del]s[/del]he is trying to get a vote in, because she missed the previous day, without thinking through case.”
I’d be happy lynching either of these, even if it means voting with Scathach and Choie
Vote Inner
Ok, this is a bit meta, but when I get lynched I think it’s worth looking at the people who defended me. The only people (except for me) that know I’m town right now are scum. So it’s very easy to give yourself town credit by defending a lynch candidate that you know is going to flip town. (In the Small Town game over on Idlemafia, when I was lynched and got spoiled, I was really surprised to find that all the people I thought were super townie because they’d been defending me turned out to be scum.)
So, in particular, Guiri, who’s doing some astonishing bending over backwards to avoid voting for me even though he’s already said he finds me suspicious. And possibly, although less so, choie, even though she seems really townie to me. (but I’m really bad at this game so that’s practically a scum tell :D)
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I was feeding the poop-machine with one hand and his post said everything I wanted to say at the time, so it was easier to copy/paste (technically, I actually quoted and removed the quote tags) than to type it out. and yet again, I predicted to myself that it would be Guiri that noticed I’d done this - paying far too much attention to detail to be scum in my opinion.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
not apparently, I did. and I think it may have been three people.
another detail. I’d like to ask everyone to post the subject line of their role PM if they don’t mind. mine was “Role PM (mafia)” as opposed to being labelled “(town)” or “(scum)” specifically.
the case on Scathach only got one on my first review, and I haven’t had a chance to review it further or do any of my own comprehensive reviews, so I’m hesitant to place a vote there right now.
vote Septimus