Frankly the whole lot of you are acting scummy by not trying to help the only person who can actually do something to prevent malfeasance from the Scum team. septimus has presumably packed up his doctor bag filled with snake oil and vanished on the heels of a medical board investigation into whether he’s practicing medicine without a license. Meanwhile, it’s quite possible, if not probable, that this is my last Night, and it would behoove Town to stop acting like prima donnas and post your thoughts on other people rather than this constant defensive bushwah.
Scathach, I called your initial response self-defense because the only comments you made to my post involved yourself. Now, the subsequent response was much better, albeit still not offering much consideration outside of saying “leaning ____” or whatnot. I know we’re all tired of this back and forth, but welcome to the game of Mafia, folks. This is what happens, and you have to repeat yourself because positions change over the course of the game, and the circumstances have certainly changed since the last Night.
Svejk, I don’t have to worry about my voting record because I know what I am. (And seriously, you’re still doubting me?! Though I counter-claimed Jan and pointed the way back through my breadcrumbs? Ridiculous!) For me, looking at the votes was extremely helpful in my first game–helped me correctly identify three or four individuals’ alginments–so while I’m certainly not using these votes as my only rationale for believing who’s scum and who isn’t, you’re darned right I’m gonna use 'em as a metric.
I literally have no idea why it bothers you so damn much that I felt alone in my septimus doubting of Thursday. No one agreed with my thoughts then, and even Hirka (who had voted septimus) now says that he now believes septimus’s claim 100%. So I’m not trying to play a martyr card, especially since in all likelihood I’m wrong anyway so it’s not like I’m in a praiseworthy position. I’m just accurately stating that my suspicion of him isn’t exactly a widely held belief.
Frankly if you were more Townie you’d be assisting by sharing your thoughts on everyone rather than making yet another defense. Jesus. I’ve been waiting in vain to hear everyone’s thoughts since yesterDay’s results, and while Scathach has at least offered her “leans scum” and “leans town” one- or two-line thoughts, none of the rest of you have. fluiddruid? fubbleskag? Hirka? special ed? septimus (PBUH)? WHERE ARE YOU for og’s sake?! Nowhere, that’s where.
So all y’all can have yourselves to thank when either septimus, I, or both of us are dead in the morning without any further ways of getting you any info. Of course if you’re scum, you’d be happy with that, wouldn’t you?
Yes, this is choie having a hissy, because this is the second darn game where I’ve been in a decisive position and I am so not prepared for it.
You doubt me, why should I not doubt you? Nothing is certain. I actually think that you are the most town person in the game right now, and I’ve staunchly defended you yesterDay, so that should give you some indication. But just like you find my town-playing suspicious, the paranoid part of my brain suspects that you’re almost too townie. The same goes for Septimus - you say that ‘… no one else has any suspicions on the guy but me’ but I don’t think that’s true at all; I for one am far from convinced that his claim is legit, and I think most sensible players in this game are with me. It probably does not really matter, but I find it odd that to you it seems that you are Judas and he is Jesus and we are all his disciples. I don’t think it really matters, but I think your understanding of how other players view him is off, and it’s better if that is corrected.
As for not helping you - I explained my reasons for not giving direct advice or even instructions, and I think it’s a pretty solid position. Helping you is helping scum. Given what the situation is, you’ll have to follow your own gut; the clearer it becomes what you are going to do, the less use it is.
I understand this may be frustrating, but I don’t think I’m the right person to which to address your misgivings about not sharing points of view. I’ve made it abundantly clear throughout D4 who I’ve found suspicious and why; I have also contributed lots of analytical work, like that post where I did an overview of all the votes so far and that other post where I did a chronological overview of the Gnarly lynch. So really, when you complain that I, out of all the players in this game, am not being supportive, you are barking up the wrong tree.
That said, I understand where you are coming from and why you might be frustrated. I think being vanilla townie is just fine for my first game as well as the next couple of games, so you’re really being thrown into the deep end. Still, there’s really no good way for us to help you, as far as I can tell, without helping scum. Yes, there is a chance you might be dead in the Morning - but how can anyone other than maybe Septimus prevent that? And if we all end up telling Septimus to protect you, then scum will know what he’s doing. It’s best that you and Septimus leave them in the dark. Similarly, if we all tell you that it’s best if you block X player, then scum will just know not to use X player; especially if you think that player is on a team, this is a distinct possibility.
I realize that my reluctance in giving clear pointed advice is annoying to you because it makes you do more work - but remember that it also makes scum do more work. That’s why I don’t think you’re right in saying that my tactic looks scummy necessarily. All of this also means that, since I’m leaving this in your hands, I can’t go and blame you later. I think you are doing a great job and I genuinely mean it when I say that I picked up on some of your bread crumbs, so you must be doing something right
Night is almost over, and I’ve been drinking, so probably won’t be awake for dawn… So just in case I’m the scum’s target, let me get my thoughts down for the rest of the townies to see, if and when I flip town.
I believe you, you’re as much confirmed as septimus to me. so, 95% most likely town.. If you’re scum, then the scum played a hard gambit, and I have to congratulate them.
I hate to agree on this one, at first I was leaning town on her, but thinking back, her 5th vote on Gnarly could have been scum knowing they lost, and hoping for some town cred. I don’t know. So my thoughts are neutral to scum.
I don’t know what to think about Fubbles’s, he seems too easy of a lynch to be scum. I’m really thinking some sort of 3rd party that wants lynching, someone who has never played scum and doesn’t know what to do, or just a crazy townie… Or, it is possible he’s the SK, and Silver Jan blocked him last night, and he was looking for a scapegoat, and has been playing like his is hoping to be thought of as too scummy to actually be scum and hopes to last to the end of game… Basically, I don’t know…
I know he’s town, 100%. There is no doubt in my mind. I will say, for once I’m correct on two scum, and I get pinged for it. There is really no winning in this game is there?
To me, Mahaloth is as townie as anyone, and I don’t have any doubts about him I will not vote for him unless a REALLY good case comes up. While his play has been iffy, I really don’t see anything leading to being scum. He hasn’t been playing under the radar, and has spoken out… Even if he hasn’t been around due to technical difficulties.
Really strong town lean. Just like Mahaloth, Mental has been townie to me. He voted first for Silver Jan (after I put her on my main subject list I might add), and refused to change votes even with the end of day claims. I really believe him to be town.
No comment, we’ll find out when he is Mod Killed in a few hours.
I don’t know, she might be scum, she might not be… Or… You might have roll blocked her last night, and she is the SK… I have no clue… I’ll be looking at her more closely in a few hours when dawn breaks.
I do need to correct myself from before… I don’t believe his claim 100%, I believe it 95%… About as much as I believe yours Choie… For now I’m willing to accept it, however, if it comes down to the end, he hasn’t proven himself, I might vote for him just in case he is the last scum.
I think special ed is town mainly for the 3rd day lynch, if he didn’t tie up Gnarly, I would never have voted for him, and he wouldn’t have been lynched. If Special was scum, he could have voted for my candidate Svejik, and I would have been happy to keep my vote where it was, or vote for the other candidate, who I believe to be town, Mahaloth… Instead, he voted for who he thought was scummiest, Gnarly, who ended up being scum… I couldn’t stand a tie, so agreed with the vote (since I had some slight pings anyhow). I would never have voted Gnarly if not for special ed, and if he was scum, I doubt we would have had a scum lynch on Day 3.
Again, I don’t know what to think about him, however, he is leaning more townie then scum to me. I have more suspicion on Scathach right now, and would say if scathach ever flips scum, I’ll look at Svejk more closely. But for now, he’s been scum hunting like I would expect a good townie to do. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt…
So… Of the remaining players, I think the most likely scum is in the
PCM
Fluiddruid
Fubbles
Scathach and/or Svejk (leaning more towards Scathach)
Since I expect PCM to be mod killed by end of night, that leaves tomorrow between those three (or four) players.
Well, my company has finally left so that frees me up a bit, but I am still going to be rather busy for the next couple of days.
I agree with almost all of Hirka’s post except I find Mahaloth much more suspicious than he does.
choie, I agree with Svejk that it is better for you to decide your actions on your own. You would have to get lucky to block the right player anyway and I am not going to get upset if you wind up blocking someone that does not have an action or is a Town player. You may want to just pick randomly from your list of possible scum.
I think that’s fair, Mental Guy, Hirka and Svejk, and I’m sorry if I got testy–it’s just I’m finding myself making a bit of an, um, odd choice and I’m uncertain if it’s the right one.
Basically I just wanted to gather people’s thoughts, the group’s zeitgeist as it were, so I could get some general idea of where people’s thoughts lie after the events of EOD yesterDay. Let’s just say that I was hoping everyone’s comments, even those I don’t fully trust, would give me some direction. One problem with that strategy: most players have gone AWOL after EOD. Christmas has wreaked havoc on our poor game, alas. Knowing what I know now, and having reread the entire thread (yep, believe it or not!) I’ve made my move. Expecting others to make the choice for me wasn’t fair or likely, considering so many are observing radio silence. Down-to-the-wire decisions like this don’t come easily for me, which is why I’ve been waffling so much (as folks who played De’endee with me will surely recall!).
Still, now that I’ve made my choice, I – or rather, you guys – will have to live with the consequences. Crappy though they may be, heh. Anyway, if this is my last post in the game, I hope y’all will look back on my posts and get something useful out of them. (Townies, that is – any of you scumbags can suck eggs.) However this game plays out, I tried my best, and I’m sorry if I’ve made the wrong move in my final act–I just wish I could get you a message from beyond the grave so you’d know whom I went after, just in case it matters. Ah well, all in all, it’s been fun, so long and thanks for all the fish. (Criminies, how maudlin can you get, I’m not even definitely dead yet! :rolleyes:) Hopefully I’ll be here come Dawn, but if not… adieu.
Sprinkle sprinkle sprinkle Christmas. That happened.
Sadly, all was not well in this tiny little community of fast-acting drama. Yet another dead body had been added to the heap sometime during the long night, this one being MentalGuy. What’s more, PCM seemed to have disappeared entirely, requiring the townsfolk to seal off his abode, as they couldn’t enter it to figure out who exactly he was. I bet it was cool! Or maybe not. PCM always was a mysterious one.
MentalGuy (Vanilla Town) is dead PreCambrianMollusk has been modkilled.
Day 5 ends at 10:00 AM MST on Sunday, January 1st (assuming that’s okay with everyone).
GASP! Most shocking twist yet!..
MentalGuy was not alone on the body pile after all! While it appeared he had been put on the top, it appears that he had done the whole–“Shield with a body/final embrace”–jump on a grenade? thing. Except, apparently, it hadn’t worked except to hide the evidence. For in fact he died along with fubbleskag, who had been with him when he died.
fubbleskag, the Hooker with a Heart of Gold (Town Hider), is also dead.
OH. I forgot fubbles’s hiding gimmick. Another reason that the Hider is a spectacularly bad role for Town.
Hmm, that was either spectacularly honest of you, Scathach, or you really are Town.
So what are our choices here, people?
PCM was the SK and didn’t act because he’s been mod-killed
Scathach is the SK and was blocked by me
Scathach isn’t the SK but is scum and designated to perform the night kill and was blocked by me, while the SK aimed at Mental Guy / fubbles
Someone else is the SK, but the SK went after septimus, who self-protected
Some other permutation of the above that I’m forgetting.
We don’t even know if fubbles and Mental Guy were killed by scum or the SK. But we do know whoever the killer was, aimed at Mental Guy rather than fubbles. Why?
Why isn’t septimus dead? Why am I not dead? God, I bet the scum are so convinced of my uselessness that they figure I’m no threat.
I have not been anti-you and I don’t want any hurt feelings. I apologize if anything in my tone has offended you. I honestly was thinking you were playing scummy. Please don’t think I’m in any way a hard-to-get-along with player even in the least. I haven’t been in this game and do not have that reputation at all, despite fubble(who refused to cite his claim) making that claim.
I am off work this week and next, so I should have access to the internet and the Dope.
Another possibility: Someone (whichever faction didn’t kill Mental Guy / fubbles) tried to kill me but failed because septimus protected me.
I don’t understand why we’re both alive though. Why would (either scum or the SK) choose to kill Mental Guy (getting fubbles as a freebie) rather than either septimus or me?
Aw that’s okay, Mahaloth. I really meant that I wanted to know why you were “anti-me” as in why you thought I was scummy, not that you were anti-me in a personal sense. You really haven’t been explaining your votes all that much, at least I didn’t think so.
But I appreciate your comments nonetheless. And congrats on the long vacation, btw.
Knowing what I know now, and having reread the entire thread (yep, believe it or not!) I’ve made my move. Expecting others to make the choice for me wasn’t fair or likely, considering so many are observing radio silence. Down-to-the-wire decisions like this don’t come easily for me, which is why I’ve been waffling so much (as folks who played De’endee with me will surely recall!).
You really haven’t been explaining your votes all that much, at least I didn’t think so.