FINALLY!
I would like to start by FOSing Mad, for destroying the pirates chances in the last game, and being the first to post durring the day in this one.
AVAST!
er…I mean…HERETIC!
Well, if you’d rather I not provide nifty information in my signature… 
I think I am being dense this morning, because I am sure that was a perfectly straightforward post but…I don’t get your meaning.
Well Hal, you of all people know what greed lies in the hearts of men. I was surprised to find that a mason would try for a mason only win in M3 (namely you). Again, I feel it is in the best interest of non-believers to go for the town win, but your POV in M3 makes me wonder.
The only problem with this logic is that the Cultists win if they equal more than 50% of the Believers + Non-Believers. This makes the Non-Believers valuable to the town.
–FCOD
I’m personally inclined to agree with FCoD. If the town starts winning handily, time enough then to determine what to do about the non-believers in our midst–who, I might add, are not the ones who are violating and/or killing the rest of us.
I partially disagree with sachertorte; it seems to me that if the masons / Non-believers think they have a shot at claiming their own win, they should try for it.
Meanwhile I’m trying to decide whether NAF1138’s FOS was pure meta-gaming and/or significant in this game.
Basically, I was wondering if non-believers were looked at “nearly town” or “those outsiders over there”. However, the point FCoD makes is enough for me to vote for the “off base” option in my post.
FOSing me for defeating scum? Still in scum mode NAF? :dubious:
And I will start, as I always do, with a plea to everyone.
Please do not bring grudges into this game.[sup]1[/sup] Grudges are bad. Grudges distort the clear thinking necessary for rooting out the scum and bringing victory to the forces of Nairu. Suspecting people just on what they were is bad.
/end opening waffle.
[sup]1[/sup]Yes NAF, I don’t doubt you were joking with your FOS of The Iron Pig. It’s just that it made a perfect hook for what I wanted to say. 
I think sachertorte point was that in M3, I started playing for a Mason-only win much earlier than was really wise. The fact that the Masons came close was due to an unimaginable bout of luck.
That seems to make sense. Certainly if there’s nothing else to go on, then lynching a non-believer improves the odds compared to a random lynching. But I think believers still “care” if a non-believer dies (as FCoD said) since they are a portion of the town win condition.
Actually, I guess the inverse question exists too: do non-believers care if believers live or die? It would depend if the non-believers really really really want their own private win, or if they’re happy to win with their brethren townsfolk. The shared win is certainly easier.
Of course, two minutes after the game start post went up, my supervisor delivered a rush project to my desk that must be complete by 5:00PM. I will therefore be unlikely to post at all until this evening. Sorry!
I suppose it would depend on how many of them there are to start.
Anyone care to speculate on the distribution this time around? We’ve got a larger starting pool than ever this time, and three groups instead of two.
With 30 players, what do you think, six cultists, give or take one? How about the non-believers…more or less than the cultists?
Oooh, it’s started! sits in the grass with a cup of coffee between her hands
I agree that non-believers would probably find it easier to go for a shared win, at least in the beginning stages of the game. Depending on how the tide turns, however, they may find it easier to try and secure an individual win for themselves. If it comes to the point where the citizens are FUBAR, anyway. Hopefully it won’t come to that.
drinks more coffee Mmm, coffee. Anyone want some? Gotta stay alert, ya know.
Totally a joke, totally a joke. I didn’t like the agressivly serious way I was trapped into playing the last game. I am trying to have more fun with it this time around.
And grudges are bad, so I will do my best to stop thinking of you as my arch enemy Mr. Pig and start thinking of you as simply Mad. (or if I am feeling silly, the MadPigBomberWhatPigsAtMidnight) 
Hmmm…well, I’ll post now, even though there’s no real information to go on right now. Except for one little thing (which I’ll get to in the next paragraph) no one really looks scummy to me yet. I think I’m just gonna play as though I’m getting killed tonight, and just tell everyone my thought processes. OK?
Hmmm mentioning “town” separately as opposed to “us”? Could this be a scum tell? Or non-believer? Or just someone also voicing their thoughts and mis-speaking? Dammit, I don’t know, it’s so hard to tell. I’ve never played this game before, so I’m not completely sure what to look for.
Thoughts from everyone else?
Again, if there are more Cultists than Town (Believers + Non-Believers) both “good” factions lose. Therefore, it is in the best interests of both the Believers and the Non-Believers to want the other “good” faction to stay alive. In my opinion, it would be best for us to set aside our differences of opinion and work together to stamp out our common enemy – the Cultists! Although we may disagree about our religion, we can all agree on one thing: having your eyeballs and heart removed sucks ass! Come, brothers and sisters, and let us unite! Together we can defeat our hate-filled nemeses! We shall prevail!!
…sorry, I got a little carried away there…
–FCOD
I wouldn’t worry too much. I think the sheer volume of posts and posters for the first few Days are going to make most of us appear “lurker-esque” compared to some of the other, smaller games. I don’t mean to imply that you won’t be missed…honest, there might be tears … but you won’t be missed.
Actually, the Masons in this game (a.k.a. Monks) don’t have a particular win condition (they are simply pro-town).
The Non-Believers are actually handicapped “normal citizens”.
- They don’t know each other
- They’ll be hunted by the Cultists (though not especially so)
- They’ll be hunted by the Crusader (s)he needs at least one Non-Believer/Cultist kill to fulfill his/her win conditions
During M3 we at least knew how many Masons were out there. The Non-Believers don’t even know that.