Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

(Emphasis added.) Why was she soaked in blood, when the eyes were so carefully removed? FOS the little girl.

So, do we wish to dunk someone on the first Day? On one hand, it’ll essentially be a random dunk, since we have little to nothing to go one. We can expect to kill one of our own. On the other hand, not dunking someone will give the initiative to the scum. And give us little more to go on when choosing the next Day’s dunkee.

Personally, I think we should dunk someone.

And, on the basis of starting discussion, I’ll randomly choose
Vote USCDiver
He’ll like being the first in the water. :slight_smile:

Well, not to TOTALLY meta game here, but I think I can help with this one. Blaster said that he ran his numbers through my formula when he was putting the game together and that things lined up with that fairly well.

I am not good enough with numbers to back compute, but this is what I gave to him. Maybe someone else can look at it and figure out a general idea of how many people there are in each group.

I would like to also point out that non-believers are NOT masons. They don’t know who each other are, and therefore will have a harder time of encouraging a non-believer only win. On the otherhand, their non-masonhood makes it plausible that there are a significant number of non-believers at the start as it isn’t nearly as game breaking as having a bunch of masons flitting about.

I dunno about that one…I don’t think “town” was actually separate from “us”.

If we reread the paragraph in question (“If the town starts winning handily, time enough then to determine what to do about the non-believers in our midst–who, I might add, are not the ones who are violating and/or killing the rest of us.”), I see only two ways to reword it to make it fit your view. 1) “If we start winning handily…”, but that gives no definition of “we”, or 2) “…and/or killing the rest of use townies.”, which would wind up coming across as “too town” for some people.

I’m inclined to give him a pass on this one.

No, no, NO!

The traditional first vote always should go to ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies.

vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

Can I just post a link to my arguments in M3 and the pirates game as to why I think this is a horrible way to go about things.

I know almost no one agrees with me…but it really is a HORRIBLE way to go about things.

Acch! ST has a real life! Scum tell! :wink:

Happy to be here and apologies for that last minute scurfluffle yesterday.

I’ll just be here on the grass waiting for someone to walk by with a big-ass, black Book of Spells…

Beat you to it.

Coloring removed.
I’m going to have to support my fellow Nitrox-breather and suspect Pleonast. (Not that breathing 32% oxygen has anything to do with this game.)

Thanks, Hal, you just retraced my internal editing process.

It doesn’t seem smart to me either, I would think that maybe you might try to find little tells, even if one ends up being wrong. But I’m interested to find out why you don’t think it’s a good idea either.

So…why is it not a good idea?

I have noticed two accepted scum tells so far(according to outside sources I have read), and as has been pointed out in other games, scum tells aren’t always scum tells, but I think it’s better than random votes at this point.
The first one is from you Clockwork, saying no one looks scummy.The second was from my good buddy Hal speculating on how many cultists and non-believers there are.
Course it is early,but those are my thoughts so far.

I agree that believers and non-believers alike should be playing to take out the Cultists. Later on in the game, it may become clear that one faction or the other can win, but for right now, we should band together and play like there are only 2 sides - good and evil. Now, everyone who is evil please raise your hands so I can get a count. :smiley:

Darn it! Didn’t work! :stuck_out_tongue:

Please, go over your arguments again, for the new players at least.

I wasn’t convinced because I don’t see any better alternative. But I can be convinced otherwise.

bah…let me dig up what I have said in the past. I will post it all in a bit, but basically my feeling is that random voting halts meaningful conversation and plays into the hands of the scum.

Please do. Or, you know, cut and paste. (I don’t really know what “it” is at this point)

If “it” is random votes. I’d like to distinguish between random votes and random dunking: They aren’t the same thing. While town votes are random, scum votes are not random. And ultimately the end of day dunking will be resolved by something other than random votes.

I have an idea for a topic of discussion that could be nicely controversial, would that be better than random voting?

Well, I disagree with you on both counts. I said no one looks scummy except for one little thing, which Hal ended up explaining to my satisfaction.

And I think we certainly need to figure out how many cultists and non-believers there are! I would FOS you for saying we don’t!

Trouble is, many of us have already give places like mafiascum.net a thorough read-through and are well aware what they call “accepted scum tell”. The undoing of a lot of it is that many of them are either crap, or would be rookie mistakes. Recall the “3rd vote” bit in M4, as an example.

Yeah, we’ve got precious little to go on at the moment, but we’re less than one hour into a Day that doesn’t end for five more days. That’s a lot of time for people to make posts that are actually incriminating.

And on that note, time for lunch, and then I suppose I should get some work done when I get back. Be back posting in two hours or so…

But what’s the alternative?

Searching for tells? That’ll end up with players magnifying every little syntactic oddity. That can be manipulated by scum just as easily as random votes.

Arguing about strategy? We should know by now that players on the same side can disagree about the best tactics.

We need to have a something to work with. That means players need to post. Random votes will do that. Interpret the actions/reactions for whatever you like.

NAF, you do agree we should dunk someone this Day?