It would be funnier if it was
Scum tell, I say? 
Since neither of us is scum, I KNOW you’re free tonight. 
All right, so my vote. I’ve put a lot of thought into this, and done some searching through the thread.
Let me sum up on the vote getters so far. I am very concerned about a vote swing – originally at Pleonast, who I thought was a ripe target, but when that fizzled, now myself – in the final hours, and I want to confirm my vote now.
Let’s start by going through the current vote getters.
Captain Klutz (6)
fluiddruid (4)
DiggitCamara (2)
Malacandra (2)
Pleonast (2)
Kyrie Eleison (1)
Of these, I think we have two pretty decent scum candidates. Let me take them one by one, starting with people I don’t want to vote for.
Pleonast was someone I suspected from the beginning, but I think it’s pretty easy to confuse power roles with scum. I’m not really experienced playing a power role but the more I think about it, the more I doubt that this role claim could be false. Making a roleclaim as scum has a certain risk, and considering Pleonast didn’t claim when in imminent danger, and we know that the secret role has as-yet unknown powers, it just doesn’t make a lot of sense for anyone but the most ballsy scum on earth to claim it (barring evidence otherwise). I’m convinced I’d like to see how things work out with Pleonast, and the real secret role will be discovered sooner or later if Pleo is lying.
Malacandra I think falls into the pretty clear category of “ongoing suspect”. When I was scum, we pretty much lined people up into categories:
- People who we think will be lynched anyway, so don’t kill
- People who have accused us too much, so don’t kill (now)
- People who are strong assets to town and are safe kills
- People who are weak assets to town but are safe kills
Then, pick among the 3rd and occasionally 4th groups most of the time.
Mal, and at this point also myself, fall into this category. By constantly bringing up someone’s name as scum, from various different people, it helps hedge people’s “scum feeling”. Everyone likes consensus and everyone has niggling doubts about everyone else.
Frankly if Mal is scum then he’s in a pretty compromised position to act as a low-level perpetual suspect. So even if he’s scum I feel he’s best left for now, as we have better candidates.
fluiddruid / myself. Well, of course I know how I come down on it. Again, I think I’m in the same boat as Mal. There really has not been a lot of noise about me until late in the day today, which concerns me. In a way that’s good though, I think we’re on the right track, but I’ll get to that.
If I end up dead, we’ll inevitably look at who voted for me. Of my critics, I think most strongly I suspect Kyrie, who I’ll get to in a minute. The only person who’s otherwise brought me up a great deal is NAF; the rest of the votes feel pretty tacked on, imho. I said I didn’t suspect him and it’s partially because of that. I know I’m town, so if I die, NAF comes under fire, so why be so focal? Why vote me, unvote me, then vote me again in a single day, still harping on the point? I could be wrong, NAF is an extremely skilled player, but I tend not to believe that scum would make such a high profile move so early (on Day 2, IIRC). So, for the record, not a suspect. I know I’ve been criticized for “flattery”, but it comes down to scum want to stay under the radar. Harping on the same short list of names over and over is dangerous. I was potentially a very good candidate for being offed earlier in the game, and it doesn’t make sense for NAF to be scum and sign my death warrant.
Diggit… sorry, no real read at all at this point. Could be just under the radar, but frankly right now I have bigger fish to fry.
Kyrie. Well, I’m sure it sounds utterly selfish, but this vote for me made me look back a little bit. To summarize: Kyrie started bringing me up, in response to the “optimal scum strategy” discussion started by NAF in post 1152, then in 1172 , then again later in post 1582 (not accusatory, but again mentioning the strategy). Curious that a concrete vote only comes out now, due the relative weakness of those posts and the lack of any concrete concern until post 2329:
The question is, why now? Why late in the Day? It seems to me that this vote is on the relatively easiest target other than Captain Klutz, and for reasons that never seemed to alarm … until now. This looks like either scum trying to avoid a vote for a known townie or scum trying to swing the vote towards a vote leader. I’m voting for the second, but either way, it just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to bring this up now. Maybe there’s more to it, but that’s the whole of the post we have. Bringing up my name earlier looks to me now like seeding… not really wanting to come down on one side or the other of the argument yet, but wanting to get my name out there as “suspicious”. Certainly Kyrie never voted for me before, but yet this evidence has not changed, and indeed my frequency of posting has changed – but this isn’t mentioned (though arguably cases could be made either way).
But I’m not going to vote for Kyrie, at least not today. I move on to Captain Klutz. Again, can’t help but be selfish but I take note when people vote for me, so I’ll go back to his post 1561, linked for your viewing pleasure.
First of all, why a list of “various” players? It’s a known scum tactic to provide a laundry list, that likely includes both scum and non-scum. Why not all the players? Why that set of players? Second, now in hindsight that I no longer suspect and now rather trust Pleonast, I am more suspicious. He highlighted us two as top scum, interesting for me personally as I am pretty confident that neither of us are; if he turns out to be scum as I suspect, that’ll be an interesting list to paw through as I’m sure he’d throw some other scum in there.
In a following series of posts, SnakeCatLady suspects Klutz (post 1574); Klutz responds in 1617 , which rings a bell due to confessing throwing away his vote, but then also turns and suspects SCL in 1623 , with the question “Do you mean you were afraid of leaving scum tells, or were you afraid that your words would be interpreted as scum tells?” That rung another bell. SCL ended up backing down in response, which doesn’t surprise me given my experience (post 1631 , though she later revotes for him. I don’t really ping SCL as scum. Her playing style is basically identical to MIII, as far as I can tell.
That, in combination with everything else that has been put forward, makes me pretty sure that Captain Klutz is the best candidate. That’s why I think that if he does end up being scum, we’ll be in a really great position, using both his list above as well as seeing who tried to swing the vote in the late Day (Kyrie in particular, as noted above).
So, in summary, vote Captain Klutz.
Well, and for the sake of making it formal, FOS Kyrie Eleison.
Hell, let me fan the flames a little bit.
Scum 101: How to Vote in 3 Easy Steps, by Kyrie Eleison
1.) Voting for the vote leader is generally B-A-D for we scum. We don’t want blood on our hands. We save that for our evil rituals of human sacrifice, and it’s best to wash up afterward. Voting for the vote leader means that you’re to blame. Also, voting townies to the dunking pool will likely make you look like something of an ogre. Hey, someone’s going to die either way. Save your bloodthirstiness for when you’re in the office, where it belongs!
Still, though, there are times you want to swing the vote, like when your partner from the Evil Mayhem division is leading the polls. If you vote for one of your cohorts and get them killed… well, obviously that tends to leave openings for promotion from within, but doesn’t help our long-term goals. Read the mission statement, people. Don’t kill your own. There’s a risk, but it’s worth a possible death for you rather than a sure death for your friend. Really, it is. Plus we offer such great life insurance.
2.) The best person to vote for is not some random meek sheep with no votes. This tends to lend suspicion to you. You want to pick someone that OTHER people suspect too. That way, you look like you’re a team player. Everyone likes team players, right? So pick someone who has been a suspect all along. Someone whose name keeps coming up, maybe someone you’ve mentioned in passing before. Someone who already has some votes. Heck, maybe even enough votes to save Hank from the overlord-in-training program. Who knows.
3.) Don’t give too much of a reason. You need a reason, but saying too much means you’re more likely to be proven wrong. The more you talk, the faster you can talk yourself right into a swimsuit. Don’t get caught in a lie. But, still you need a reason. Reach back and pick one, the best reason you can think of to vote for that person. Use it, then back off.
In these simple steps can our cult go from misunderstood, marginalized sect to theocratic control of the Town quickly and easily, over only a few days!
Also, people, congealed blood goes in the red bins, not the black bins. Casual day Friday, so feel free to wear jeans under your robes.
…Fluid, what the crap was that?
I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m just not cynical enough for this game. I’m too ready to take people’s words at face value.
Anyway, I’ve had a fast look at the posts of Captain Klutz and Fluiddruid. I also threw in a quick review of DiggitCamara[sub]2[/sub] and FlyingCowofDoom because of posts that came to my attention while reading the early part of the thread again.
My general thoughts are that Fluiddruid is the least likely of those three to be a Cultist. All the points that I have against her are old, and slender to boot. Except possibly the (amusingly phrased) post just above where she writes a Cultist’s Handbook…
Then again, the pointers I have against Captain Klutz aren’t much to write home about. The single biggest was post [post=8781497]1666[/post]. The way he switched could have been (at the time) a move to save a fellow scum from swimming. I note that he has accepted that he acted prematurely.
However, a thought that occurred to me as I wrote the above was that the act of breaking the tie, 75 minutes before the deadline for Nightfall, had the effect of reducing the time before the Cult could discuss strategic implications.
Yes, it’s a stretch. If that had been the aim, it could have been achieved by waiting for someone else to change votes following the roleclaim. Maybe he did not want to take that risk in the short time remaining though?
The small flares of suspicion I had against FlyingCowofDoom and DiggitCamara[sub]2[/sub] both died out again when I examined the posts in context.
That’s all I’ve got right now, and it’s about 10:30pm (just over four hours to go). Of the two lead candidates, I’m definitely more suspicious of Captain Klutz than Fluiddruid. I have no great suspicions of anyone else right now. I’ve considered (and rejected) the option of abstaining again, because this time my vote can make a difference regarding who is dunked.
Consequently I am going to vote vote Captain Klutz, to ensure that the candidate I am more suspicious of takes a swim.
I’ve been reading over Captain Klutz’s posts, trying to see if it’s worth me switching my vote. My impression is mixed. Nothing he’s said really gave me a feeling either way.
Until his loaded question about my Night activities came out of the blue. That was flabbergasting. It makes we wonder how any Cultist would even bother asking. Very weird.
I’ve looked over fluiddruid as well. My previous overview didn’t find anything that bothered me. And her post covering the Captain makes a good case. Enough to convince me to switch my vote.
But, two things about that post seem off. 1) The vote gives her a greater margin of safety, and 2) she expresses trust in me. The first is something that a reasonable Townie could do, although a Cultist would have a greater incentive. The second one less so. Frankly, I expect everyone to be skeptical of my claim–it’s currently unverifiable, including the role itself (both its allegiance and its powers) and the fact that I have that role. The reason why I shouldn’t be dunked is that the risk of dunking a pro-Town power role is too high. (If I’m lucky, the Cult will use the same calculus and not Night-kill me. ) The fact fluid express strong trust in me is highly suspect.
So, I put heavy suspicion on fluid, but I think the case for Captain is ultimately good. Therefore,
Vote Captain Klutz
Oops, forgot to
Unvote Malacandra
I like! Now that’s an OMGUS with style!
Truth be told, my vote for you looks weakly supported because it is weakly supported. I’d love to be able to say that I spent last night combing through the thread, trying to figure out who was most likely to be scum, and came away some fabulous insight. It would be true, too, except for the fabulous insight part.
As things stand, I have pretty low-level suspicions of nearly everyone, and really strong suspicions of no one. This time, I’m relying largely on evaluating the arguments that others have made; I don’t like that much, but that’s the way it is. And I’m also weighing who is making the argument and considering how much I suspect them.
If I were following your handbook, it would be far easier to vote for DiggitCamara than you. Others are voting for him, and any vote I cast for him would be dismissed by most as a combination of self-deluded, weakly justified suspicion and OMGUS. He’s already voting for me, so I wouldn’t have to worry about retribution. And he’s not likely to attract many more votes, so I wouldn’t have to worry about having blood on my hands. Why, he’s perfect!
Here’s the problem though: I think the case against both Diggit and Captain Klutz rests largely on the fact that they’ve offered poorly reasoned arguments or suggestions to the town. And I think that poor reasoning is evidence of poor reasoning, and little else. I only find poor reasoning to be suspicious if it seems to be offered with some sort of ulterior motive.
You, on the other hand, laid out the optimal scum strategy, and proceeded to follow it. All of your votes have been justified by echoes of arguments that others have laid out. Most of your substantive posts have dealt with generalities concerning strategy and gameplay, and have avoided specifics pertaining to this particular game, with a notable exception to be found in your ongoing support of NAF1138. If you had been contributing posts like the one you just composed to argue against me all along, I’d likely not be voting for you now. But you haven’t been, and so I am.
Looks like an OMGUS vote to me. And yet again Malacandra swoops in and does something blatantly scummy; voting for a possible town power role after a role claim. The jury, of course, is still out on Pleonast, and he’ll need to be discussed later, but voting to dunk him now seems reckless.
Some good points have been made about Captain Klutz, but I don’t think a vote change at this time would make much of a difference. I’m going to leave it with the person (Mal) I’m most convinced is scum.
Didn’t he specifically refrain from voting for a possible town power role after a role claim?
Looks like I’m headed for the big dunk. I’ve no role to claim and my arguments are already laid out.
My suspect list only has 2 people on it, DiggitCamara.v2 and fluiddruid, although I have low level suspicions on pretty well everyone.
Hats off to the scum, you have really hidden yourselves well.
Huh? He voted Pleonast in 2318.
Removed blue color from quote
Friendly reminder: Dusk in about one hour. I will end the Day a few hours thereafter.
It’s almost Night, I need to get this out, in case I don’t live to see the morning.
I know for a fact that the Martyr is the only secret role and that I am the only one with that role. I received a somewhat different answer to the questions than the rest of the Town. 
Not much use to you all at the moment, but once I’m confirmed it will.
My mistake, then. I focused on the quote you gave in your post and didn’t check previous actions.
:smack:
So its night now, and I am damn curious.
Think I will start with a beer please.
And a Coke here!
Maybe you’ll get a threesome toNight, Queuing?
Hey guys, sorry I didn’t make it in today, I just found a connection now. It was a doozie getting caught up now, but I have some thoughts I’d like to share toMorrow.