Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

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2521

To start off, yes I am holding you responsible for the people who previously played your role. With this many subs I see no alternative but to do so. If we keep giving people a free Day it will make it that much easier for the scum to hide.

Page 49, where Pygmy Rugger supposedly contributes so much. Yes he has 10 posts on this page.

post 2409 -no analysis, just a couple of questions.

post 2414 -talks about being behind, and asks about the crusader. Still nothing of substance

post 2415 - votes for Kyrie as it is to big of a slip

post 2416 - says will take a closer look at Hal

post 2418 - is questioned “why Hal?” - head slapping smilie and says because he thinks Hal was Crazy. - no analysis

post 2424 - quotes me in regards to what I think Storyteller did in M2, mentions it was Pygmy who story had voted for and made me trust

post 2427 - excuse him for not remembering, but how did the Crusader out himself?, quotes Kyrie and asks for a list of players who talked about the crusader

post 2431 - unvotes Kyrie because of her explanation, and quotes zeriel

post 2435 - mentions Kyrie again, quotes zeriel

post 2449 - the beginning of him being a prick to me

So there is the vaunted Page 49. What exactly did he do here? Absolutely nothing while getting his Day post count up. For this I will ignore the rest of what his role has, or has not done?

I don’t do OMGUS votes. They are not helpful to the game. I get into a number of fights because I am so blunt and I do not vote for people because of it. So in short, try again Pygmy.

2522

Yeah, I read it. You snap-voted for **Kyrie **over the other players because you misunderstood what he meant when he said **DC **was too obsessed with looking for the Crusader’s killers. Over the course of the next several posts, people explained to you that this didn’t mean looking for scum, it meant something more specific. Eventually, you accepted this and unvoted. You also: made a fluff post about an earlier game, told **Queuing **to get over his disappointment re subs and said you were going to look at Hal’s posts again. To date, on page 51, this hasn’t happened.

None of the above is substantive play. At best, your vote for **Kyrie **suggests you’re not very up-to-date with the game, because DC’s list of Crusder killers has been debated a lot. At worst, it could look like someone who wanted to appear more involved taking the first cheap excuse for a vote they could find. Did you really think that a scum would come out and say that it was a bad idea to look for scum?

2523

One more thing:

We have to remember that it isn’t just Post counts that matter. In fact it is quite easy to get post counts up to give the appearance of activity while saying absolutely nothing. I would have thought that someone who has just freshly read the thread could come at it with a new perspective. Nope, instead a quick vote. A quick unvote. And then being a prick. All this gets his post count up while providing absolutely nothing. The person playing his role has provided absolutely nothing to the game. Why do we keep them around? At best they are scum, at worse they are damn useless players. Even power roles have to do more then night actions.

2524

Now this is just getting silly.

First of all, like I said a million times the previous Days, I don’t know or see what is so weird or shady like about typing out what possibly could have gone on during the Night time, especially if or when there are multiple kills OR if there could be multiple kills but there are not. This is what the case was that previous Night. Only ONE kill when there could have been two. As far as I know, people have always done this, so if you or Diggit want to think I’m exhibiting scummy or shady behavior, that’s fine. But at least have reasons that don’t look like you’re reaching. I seriously don’t get this and fail to see how anyone could paint what I (or Hockey for that matter) was doing as “fishing for the Crusader”.

And if you want to talk about him dropping suspicions of me as it seems he has by not mentioning me again, I don’t see it. I never saw him say he’s not still suspicious of me.

Me, I’m still suspcious of Mal. And of Pleonast. And of Cookies. But my main one right now is of Diggit, so I’m not going to mention the others in EVERY single post just to remind everyone. Right now I’m most suspicious of Diggit, so you want to “FOS” Mal, Pleo, and Cookies too since I seemingly haven’t mentioned them for awhile that I’m still suspicious.
Geez, try sorting that out. I’m defending myself against your observance over Diggitsp seeming loss of suspicion over me…over something I don’t even THINK he had good reason to be suspicious over in the first place!

Welcome to my suspicion list, Kyrie.

2525

Maybe so now, but that doesn’t appear to have been your mode of operation at the time of the post in which it became clear that you’d dropped Idle from the list, and so would seem to have little to do with explaining it. At that time, you had just unvoted Zeriel, whom you had been pursuing as a suspect, and who had just role claimed, and proceeded to vote for me, justifying the vote only with the fact that I appeared on your list.

I’m sorry, but it doesn’t seem credible to me that you “firmly believed” that your list of three had “at least one scum,” and yet were willing to drop someone from it for something as nebulous as not pinging your scumdar recently.

I find you silently dropping Idle from your list very strange. And I think the entire Crusader-outter crusade succeeded for a long time in allowing you to appear to be actively contributing without putting yourself at much risk. At the same time, Autolycus’ play had me thinking “probably town,” and I’m not unaware that Idle purportedly has you at the top of his suspect list. Nonetheless, on the whole, I think you’re more likely to be scum than my second favorite candidate, fluiddruid.

The irony that yesterday I said that you’d have been my best choice were I scum looking to avoid casting a meaningful vote is not lost on me. But yesterday is not today, and today you’ve risen to the top of my pile.

2526

And I guess this is as good a time as any to vote. Right now I’ve gone over everyone again in my head, but let me type it out not only so I can see, myself, what it looks llike written all out but to share my thoughts as well in case it’s of any use or help or strikes things in others.

Mind you this list is of people who are CURRENTLY IN THE GAME right now. It doesn’t include dead players. It’s also obviously biased toward what I feel or know. YMMobviouslyV

This is, again, not what I’m always going to think. Opinions and feelings are subject to change at a moment’s notice pending new info, insights or revelations. But this hopefully will narrow it down again, some, for whom I’m voting for (which, by the way, I already have a very good idea already, but still want to look it over to see what I may be missing or catch).
Heavy suspicion
DiggitCamera (version two, of course)

Suspicion
Pleonast
Malacandra
Cookies
Fluiddruid
Kyrie

Neutral
pygmyrugger
amrussell
Fretful Porpentine
USCDiver
FlyingCowofDoom
Queuing
NAF
MHaye
zuma

Probably town?
Hockey
Zeriel
Sach

Known town
Idle Thoughts

Note that there’s not very many in Probably town. I can only go off of role claims but more and more I feel that those two are probably really what they say they are. And sach for the Hal comments that might have been crumbs.

And yeah, I did put myself under known town. Sue me. I don’t expect any of you to believe me, but where else am I going to put myself, think about it. Scum or REALLY town, I’d put myself there.

Long Neutral list. These are not people I’m NOT suspicious of, mind you. Nay I remain suspicious of everyone at least some in this game, but rather just a “haven’t pinged my radar yet” list as I like to see it. Maybe that’s more correct to name it that.

Two people have voted for others AFTER role claims. Cookies with Hockey and Mal with Pleonast. This strikes me as fairly shady…but when you combine it with stuff I was already getting hit with (Cookies quick to talk about how it’s weird not to link to explanations in the past when you just made a lot of them and Mal for everything on Day One and Two), it gathers strength, I feel.

Fluid I’ve mentioned a lot on and off during the whole game and still just find it odd how she’s playing in this one. She just seems way more reserved…yet I’ve seen her play strong in two games as both scum (in one) and town (in the other)…so it’s just a gut saying maybe scum who is trying to play it safer this time? I dunno, and I don’t have much of anything other than just feeling so it’s weak, but I still couldn’t put her in Neutral.

Kyrie is just out of left field. He seems to be basing his suspicions on Diggit alone (whom I also have suspicions of) and because he (Diggit) seemingly put me on the backburner in regards to being shady…when in fact, I don’t think he had any reason IN THE FIRST place to think what I did was shady. Color me confused how Kyrie’s mind is working here. Could it not have been that maybe Diggit just lost those or rethought his stance? So there he is on the list.

And then we come to Diggit himself who was the only other name I was contemplating voting for the Day before. CK was voting for him…and CK turned out to be town. So based on all these things, including what I said in my post yesterDay, the seeming mistakes Diggit made toDay (althoough I did see and read his explanation–however Kat at the time, insisted what she said wasn’t a slip up either), and my earlier posts in this Day about him…I just feel he’s the best choice right now…at least for me, and since I only speak for myself in this game vote Diggitcamera (version 2.0)

2527

Please clarify. What slip? I mean… for heaven’s sake…

  1. When I asked you, previously, if you meant anything other than my “non-correction” of zuma’s mistake you answer no, you didn’t mean anything else
  2. You seem to be saying I “slipped like Kat” in your latest post (to justify, apparently, your vote against me)
2528
  1. Well, firstly I think you mean amrussell’s mistake, and I did say no, along with (in this post):

To which you replied:

…in this post.

I dunno, but it just seems weird (alone) that you’d either see it and let it be (especially since it concerns you and a possible meaning of "I’m going to be looking closer at Diggit) or miss it entirely since it only took up one post.

And yes, zuma, who was the other in that half that was mixed, posted as well and didn’t correct it…which is/seems weird (alone) too.

However, in YOUR case, with my biasness toward you, having already BEEN suspicious of you as far back as two Days ago and, more recently, in showing my work (per Queuing) here on who I feel my and a vote best lies with…I’m more apt to believe that you are more shady than anyone else at this time.

  1. Actually I was giving an example that she claimed, at the time, it was a mistake. I dubbed it slip up. Here you’re claiming you didn’t see it until I made the correctioon in my post. Both equate to me thinking that what you both are offering is cover ups for slip ups.

I don’t know who said it before but I seem to remember someone in this game saying that they feel that Cult are more likely to skip over posts and read only what applies to them or whatever they choose to, whereas actual town, if they want it any easier, have to read everything. I tend to agree.

So to sum up, for one, I do find you saying you missed things as kooky…and for mainly TWO, it is NOT the only reason I’m voting for you. In that voting post I mentioned a score of other things, as I did yesterDay in that long, linked-to post.

I guess it all comes down to what I feel personally, and right now, you’re the only one I see that looks the most suspicious. Have it as you will.

2529

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]

(snipped)
To which you replied:

ummm… no. What do you do, skip posts that you don’t think relate to you?

What I did reply: :

Like you can see: everyone, yes, including you, skip posts from time to time or, like I explained, don’t see much value in correcting banal mistakes (which, by the way, could also have been corrected by other players, present and absent), etc. etc.

I get it: you had a previous suspicion cast on me. I suspect the real reason is that I suspected you first… you have a nasty habit of suspecting those who suspect you, and I have already witnessed that behavior in other games with you.

But don’t justify your suspicions on me because I haven’t bothered correcting other people’s posts.

2530

The way I see it and the way momentum seems to be building against me, your real plan is:

  1. Have me lynched.
  2. After that acting surprised “hell, he wasn’t a cultist after all!”.
  3. The important part being, of course, the one where you “prove” you don’t have perfect information… after all, with perfect information you wouldn’t have voted for me, would you?

You said yesterday I would be the best choice to vote for if you were scum… implying of course that since you weren’t scum you wouldn’t be voting for me.

In reality, like storyteller has said, your “best choice as scum” shouldn’t have any bearing on your vote at all. You should always vote for those who seem scummiest to you. You know. Like I have done. Or like Idle Thoughts seems to be doing (logic be damned).

If I could, I vote against you… again.

2531

Are you joking or are you being deliberately obtuse here? I KNOW and SAW that post you made. But since your two part question was

(Unbolding mine)

…then obviously I’d answer you with the main point (IE, what I was seeing as a slip up and you were saying was a mistake.

The exchange went, to sum up:

Me: This is weird. I’m calling you on it.
You: For one, I didn’t see it, for two here is my explanation now that I’m called on it.
Me: I find it weird you missed it. In short, I’m still suspicious.
You: Things like that have happened before.

I then made that post above where I vote for you and you seem to think this is odd.
While I do take in what you’re saying, I feel you’re wrong in some regards. I vote and play this game soley based on what I feel and think and see. I think that both town AND scum need to play this way to both be as much as they can to their respective teams. I try to use what is put out there and combine it with hunches, logic, and reason. It wasn’t just that you found me suspicious. I can handle people finding me suspicious without screaming “SCUM! SCUM!”. Your reasons, much like you’re saying mine are right now it seems, just seemed so out there. What, listing possiblities it could be for one kill? But not only that, saying those people that were were FISHING for the Crusader? And then, to top it all off, saying that IT WORKED and any Cult that may have been in there was successful simply because you chose to put yourself in there? It just seems to be too many “if’s” in there for a good reason to be suspicious of someone, I feel. But I guess we are equal, then, in that case.

Really, this shouldn’t have come as a surprise too much. YesterDay it was either you or CK. I voted him. ToDay, it’s known that he is town. I will now vote the person, as I said in that post, I thought was just as apt to be scum as I thought he might have been…you.

Now I may be wrong again and I may be right…but either way, it’s what I just feel, right now, is the only vote I can make based on my suspicions.

2532

Diggit, Idle:

My name is getting dragged into your pissing match and you’re both wrong on two minor points here

It was not my mistake, it was amrussel’s, who thought I replaced autolycus, when in fact Diggit did.

amrussel’s mistake had already been pointed out and discussed by the time I had caught up and posted.

2533

I’m going to have a problem reading much of anything tomorrow, least of all a computer screen, as I’m having an eye test done. Hopefully I should be able to read by the middle of the afternoon.

This may make it a struggle to get a vote out. Apart from DiggitCamara, the only suspicion I have is a resurgence of the doubt against Malacandra caused by my reevaluating post 989. It didn’t feel scummy to me at the time because the post was drafted in a way very similar to the way I would have drafted a post to convey what I perceived as the message. This may be due to the fact we’re both middle-aged Englishmen, and I may have been giving undue weight to the perceived similarity. It’s something that needs investigating. After I’ve slept and got over the eye test.

Night all, and see you tomorrow.

2534

Any chance of an official vote count? And a time remaining in the Day?

2535

Yes I did read page 49. I even did a little post about it. Are you sure you wanted to bring attention to the actual content of your posts? Still blaming me for an OMGUS? Or have anything to say?

2536

A couple of points:

  1. The exchange, the way you characterize it in this post, is the way I see it as well. From the information you posted before you seemed to be saying that my answer was a complete non-sequitur
  2. So far I don’t remember an instance where you didn’t scream SCUM! SCUM! against anyone who pointed at you with a FOS. I’m willing to correct my stance in that respect
  3. I’m not surprised you’re voting against me. I didn’t like the justification of your vote. In particular, I didn’t want to let toDay’s “supposed errors” pass without a comment
2537

Yeah, Idle already had corrected me about the mistake.

And I didn’t bring up your name to implicate you but rather to point out to Idle that he was applying selective memory about who had and who hadn’t noticed/corrected amrussel’s mistake.

2538

Unofficial vote count:

Kyrie Eleison - 2 - DiggitCamara (2401), fluiddruid (2403)
fluiddruid - 2 - zeriel (2444), pleonast (2504)
sachertorte - 1 - FCOD (2468)
Malacandra - 1 - zuma (2494)
Pygmy Rugger - 2 - Queuing (2502), amrussell (2509)
DiggitCamara - 2 - Kyrie Eleison (2518), Idle Thoughts (2526)

No Vote Cast - 9 - USCDiver, Hockey Monkey, NAF1138, sachertorte, Malacandra, Fretful Porpentine, Pygmy Rugger, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, MHaye

Given that it’s a four way tie, with 36 hours to the dawn…GET IN HERE, POST SOME LOGIC, and VOTE.

I am not kidding. If you have nothing, post your suspicions and a solid abstention. This is not even funny anymore. If you’re not standing up for something and contributing, you’re scum by default. If you’re having trouble posting or on vacation, let us know–that’s not as much of a problem.

Ahem.

Given that two of the top four candidates are on my scum list, I will probably shift my vote to keep either **fluiddruid **or **DiggitCamara **in the vote lead.

2539

Well I’ve caught up, and I see **Zeriel’s ** call to action. I feel that I have no more to go on right this minute than I did when the Day started. Quite a few skirmishes, and a near dead halt to conversation when **Sach ** said he would have to be away. I do however feel that I need to vote, and without a good lead of my own, I will defer to the judgment of our claimed Monk, since his vote is likely not for another Monk. I really wish I had something more substantial to contribute toDay.

Vote Fluiddruid.

I will say this…the name calling and biting needs to stop. Now. It’s not any fun for me to read through the thread and see hostility, no matter how good naturedly it was intended. What I mean is that people not participating, but casually reading along see us being snarky to each other, may possibly decide that they don’t want to participate in Mafia games at all. I want to be able to continue to play these types of games on the Dope, and it’s going to be essential to have new people playing. I’m not calling any names out here…you all know who you are…Quit it.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming…

2540

I’m not ready to vote yet, but I pinky-swear that I will vote tomorrow. I also foresee, unless she does something crazy, that my vote will not be for Hockey. I meant what I said about branching out in new analysis directions yesterDay, and I intend to battle through the re-reads and provide it…soon… :smiley: