Hmmm, interesting proposal. I floated it with the intention in mind that I would take out the Avatar if the Apprentice found him/her. Do you think that if we were to settle on a scum that the scum would go along? I see no reason why a believer would not go along with it. I’m game.
I think you are a Cultist. Therefore, if you are, you would know I am not the Prophet. (Because you would know who it is…make more sense now?)
No, it doesn’t. The reason you give for voting for me is because you said I agreed with the theory that says you are the Prophet. You supported it by saying that I know you’re not the Prophet. I don’t think you’re the Prophet, I think you’re the recruit. But I already explained all that Yesterday.
So you don’t support CatinaSuit’s crazy theory, but you think I was recruited. The same logic applies if you are scum. You can get behind the vote because you know that I was not recruited. My point was that someone who can totally get behind something would have information the rest of us don’t.
We have 16 people left I believe. If say 10 said that would be a good idea then I don’t see how the scum couldn’t go along with it. If they did just go along with it and not actually point out any holes just say “I don’t like it. It could give the5 scum to much power in manipulating the vote” then I don’t see it. Unless all 5 vote in a bloc. Even 4 people shouldn’t necessarily be enough to swing the vote every Day. Just like now we would still have a voting pattern to look at. If we keep killing believers the people voting for said believer would quickly garner suspicion. So would people who never voted for believers. So yes they could go 3-2 switching it around every day but that to would leave a pattern. Patterns are how scum are caught. Of course I welcome any holes being pointed out in the theory.
Storyteller said one of the worse things we did in M2 was leash BM’s killing role. Suggesting that any plan that took away any sort of randomness was a bad plan for the believers. However I don’t think mine does that.
I would like the Day to go like this:
day 1: everyone comes out and says here are my suspicions
day 2: we wait for the stragglers so it really is as close as possible to everyone. Everyone votes for who they think is most likely scum, with reasons however weak given. This gives us hopefully a top 3 of vote getters. Since the chances are there are 5 scum left, 1 in 3 of us is scum so chances are one of the 3 is scum. I know that the 5 scum will not vote for each other (probably), but chances are they won’t vote in a bloc either. I think at least.
day 3: By some more arguing and in depth looking at the top 3 people place their votes. Hopefully this will give us 16 votes spread out amongst 3 players. The time to role claim is now.
day 4: The top voter is going to die. Except for in role claims we haven’t had great vote swings in this game. Everyone unvotes. 16 hours before the Day ends Hockey Monkey will hopefully be the only voter for the dead person. We wait and find out if we were right.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The advantage to the believers is that we still get to discuss and argue and FOS and vote etc etc etc. The first 2 days will be the same as they are now. Sure I doubt that everyone will speak up but I damn well know some of us will. People who don’t speak up in the first 2 days can just look at the top 3 vote getters, making their lives a little easier. The next bit of requirement is a vote. This should happen anyway sooner then it has been ( I am looking at you mhaye! 
). This will clearly show the top 3. Hell people can vote and unvote in the same damn post, we just need to know what they think. So even less work. Then you vote. If the person actually votes for someone else to create a tie I will come in and vote for them. The only person who would do this is a cultist, a death of a vanilla believer is not a big deal. However it won’t be good enough. If other people join them they should die the next day.
So yeah, that is what I think. Less work for some, less risk for all in getting killed by the avatar. Except for Hockey Monkey, who seems to be the consensus pick for the target of recruitment, plus she has claime, has a pretty useless role, etc…
You’re totally dating yourself. I didn’t mean totally, as in 100% confident. I mean, I could totally, like, vote for you, dude [/Surfer Accent].
Mayor Queuing, do you really think everybody in town is going to actually follow this plan? On the surface, it looks great, but I can not realistically see everybody in the town following it. It basically requires everybody to be online on Thursday, and gives an out for people who end up not voting at all, because they didn’t want to be the sole vote cast for the non consensus player at the end of the day. I think the only way this plan works is when the Apprentice outs the Avatar, as Hockey originally intended.
Not ETA: I don’t mean that they wouldn’t intend to follow it, but just that things will come up (“I need a sub!” for example) and it won’t get the required participation. This will mean there will be less people active, which will, in effect, give the scum a bigger percentage of the voting block, if half the town goes along, and half doesn’t.
Queuing, I disagree with your scheme to have just Hockey Monkey and possibly yourself be the only people to cast votes at the end of the day.
These are the number of votes each day required to dunk someone.
MadtheSwine apart it does not take that many.
Day 1: MtgMan 8 votes
Day 2: Kat 6 votes
Day 3: Scuba 6 votes
Day 4: MtS 16 votes
Day 5: Klutz 9 votes
Day 6: fluiddruid 7 votes
Day 7: amrussell 5 votes
If it is only going to take 5 or 6 votes to dunk someone, there is very likely to be a Cultist in the voters, even if the person being dunked is another Cultist, if only to try and gain townie points. Of course this runs the risk of them being struck down if the Cultists is the Avatar.
You are proposing swapping a possible town power role for the possiblity that we might take out the **Avatar ** instead of the possiblity of a Cultist having to run the gauntlet.
No, I would suggest that with 12 hours to go, everybody swaps their vote to the highest bidder. Then if the **Avatar ** is dunked, we get a 1 in 3 chance of taking out a Cultist at the same time.
The fact, that I think **Hockey Monkey ** is the **Prophet ** and I would love her to be the sole vote taking out the **Avatar ** is besides the point.
Crazy Theory Number 2
**Kat ** was a cultist and possible Avatar. The only people who would know that would be the other Cultists.
That early in the game, there would be no point in possibly being struck down as a voter against the Avatar, if you were a Cultist.
So only non-Cultists actually voted against Kat.
These were
DiggitCamara v.2
Idle Thoughts
Kyrie Eleison
Fretful Porcupine (Priest)
SnakesCatLady (believer)
Scuba (believer)
On Day 2, only having 6 votes to dunk is quite impressive, in a “that’s really, really low” way. I would say that the three surviving people are going to town-aligned
I think that narrows the pool of Cultists a bit further. 
I think you need to go back and read the roles a little more closely, Catina.
No one, even the Avatar himself, knows who the Avatar is. An Avatar killed during the day automatically kills a random person who voted for him, not a random Cultist.
Had Kat been the Avatar, one of the people who voted for her would have been killed by Sekham.
Now, I can buy that none of the other Cultists would have risked voting for her on the off chance she was the Avatar, but they wouldn’t have known she was the Avatar.
Apologies if it was not clear. I know that if the Avatar is dunked someone who voted for them will also die regardless of affiliation.
However, the Avatar is also a Cultist. The other Cultists knew **Kat ** was a Cultist and may or may not have been the Avatar.
You are right in that they would not have known for sure, so why take the chance that she is.
I think the Cult would have voted elsewhere on that day.
Hrm, we have some very interesting theories coming up here now. Fresh blood makes me happy.
I’ll be far more comfortable with Theory 1 if another Alchemist steps forward, but Theory 2 might well be promising.
Peon Pygmy Rugger, well no, I even said that. I said we needed say 10 out of 16. Being online on thursday is not a big chore. Frankly people who are playing this game should be online everyday. Of course that has not happened (part of the reason why this game is broken IMO), and your point about it giving an out is just not true.
As I stated people could vote and unvote in the exact same post. In fact people should do that. All we need to know is where you want the your vote, not the actual vote. So it does not give an out as you say it does.
So that takes away that objection, unless you see another problem?
However it does intrigue me that you continue to attempt to get the apprentice to out themselves.
Catina Suit that is part of the problem. Right now we have a bunch of people just throwing out single votes. This makes it very easy for the scum to guide the lynch because of the small number of votes. My plan, a consensus top 3, would decrease the number of single votes and make it harder for the scum to actually guide the town.
I admit my plan requires actual game participation from everyone. Really this should not be to much to ask, but I know in this game it has been.
Zuma you STILL at work? Boy I wouldn’t want your job.
I agree with this. I think Queuing’s plan is a bad idea. It’s too likely that people will not participate correctly, defeating the purpose. I think that we SHOULD be keeping an eye out for voting patterns like **CatinaSuit **suggests in her theory #2. That is, if we ever get to dunk another Cultists, maybe we should examine more closely the players that didn’t vote for that dunking.
Right now, I am inclined to believe that Hockey Monkey is the Alchemist, as it would have made a lot more sense for the real Alchemist to come forward than to attempt to block the Cult every night. I’m also very happy with my vote on MHaye. His slip-up regarding **MadTheSwine **is too big to ignore.
If I were the Prophet, me volunteering to take out the Avatar would make me the stupidest player in the history of the game. Take a step back and try to see that I am not the Prophet or a Cultist. I am just the Alchemist.
Well see I was hoping that it would encourage participation as in my mind it makes it easier for people to participate. However I am more then willing to concede that getting people to participate is unrealistic.
It seems we have a number of people who would rather post sarcasm then anything else.
I’m gonna get shit for this but I’m saying it anyway.
Assuming that he/she has any useful information, I think the Apprentice needs to come forward and tell us what he/she knows. If the Cult kills the Apprentice tonight, and the breadcrumbs are not obvious, we’re fucked. If the Apprentice claims tonight, the Disciple can protect him/her, if we’re lucky. The Cult has the upper hand in this game. I don’t know how they’re so good at picking out the power roles, but they are. If we lose all of the Apprentice’s investigations, we might as well give up.
–FCOD
Yes! This is what I’ve been trying to say.
Alive
2 USCDiver
3 Idle Thoughts
5 Hockey Monkey
7 NAF1138
8 sachertorte
10 CatinaSuit
12 Kyrie Eleison
14 Pleonast
17 Pygmy Rugger
19 FlyingCowOfDoom
21 Queuing
22 Zeriel
23 zuma [Ver. 2]
24 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
25 DiggitCamara [Ver. 2]
27 MHaye
Dead
11 Mtgman - Non-Believer - Day One
4 zuma [Ver. 1] - Citizen - Night One
1 Kat - Cultist - Day Two
6 storyteller0910 - Monk - Night Two
15 DiggitCamara [Ver. 1] - Crusader - Night Two
20 Scuba_Ben - Citizen - Day Three
13 Hal Briston - Oracle - Night Three
29 MadTheSwine - Citizen - Day Four
9 SnakesCatLady - Citizen - Night Four
30 Captain Klutz - Non-Believer - Day Five
26 HazelNutCoffee - Citizen - Night Five
28 fluiddruid - Citizen - Day Six
18 amrussell - Psychopath - Day Seven
16 Fretful Porpentine - Priest - Night Seven
Substitutions
** Kyrie Eleison **(Repl. ** Clockwork Jackal **)
** Nava **(Repl. ** Captain Carrot **)
** Kat **(Repl. ** ArizonaTeach **)
** DiggitCamara [Ver. 2] **(Repl. ** Autolycus **)
** Zuma [Ver. 2] **(Repl. ** MonkeyMensch **)
** amrussell **(Repl. ** Pasta **)
** Pygmy Rugger **(Repl. ** Nava **)
** CatinaSuit **(Repl. ** Malacandra **)