Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

Here is where I first start dropping crumbs that may be useful later in knowing who the Monks are. I agree with story on a point I thought he had brought up against Pleonast. Later, I found out, I had accidently read story’s post (which was actually agreeing to Queuing about Pleo being shady looking) as the one to bring up the suspicions about Pleonast. But either way, I had thought, at the time, it was Story who outlined it all and was more than willing to take his insight on things.

It also seemed to me that Sach around that time, was obsessed with discussing the Apprentice role. Something I and others felt he was starting to look shady over. Now that I know what all that might be potential, could it be that he’s IS the Prophet and knew he had this out? When did Sach leave anyway? Was it before the NO kill or not? He has volunteered to be modkilled, something I can’t see the Prophet doing if they still had a chance to convert. Was that before or after the NoKill Night? I’ll look into that as I go along.

Next we have this post here by me that is really long. Take note of this:

Now I know I said Queuing, but I MEANT Zeriel, something I corrected later.

PLEASE NOTE HERE, however, how puzzled Zeriel is. This is because he should have KNOWN I meant him but didn’t want to just come outright and say it. He was probably as wondering as Queuing was why I was mistaking one for the other.

I then made the correction here.

But let’s go back again, in the really long post, of zuma I say this:

Like I feel Zeriel was doing here against me, this was a ploy to hopefully put some distance between us so that if ONE of us was found, we ALL wouldn’t be found.

As for Cookies, she has consistantly done shady things. Voting TWICE for Hockey even after she claimed Alchemist alone was enough to make me look at her sideways. But added to that, making FCoD and I look shady just based on not giving reasons for voting for someone when I, at least, had many, many times before that.

And added TO THAT, just being a player who seems to have trying to stay off the radar since the beginning of the game.
Only now. Claiming to be a Monk. That removes all doubt to me. Boy do I wish you were me, so you’d know what I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Fine.

Kill me. Kill me right now then. At least it will give us three Cultists in a row anyway. Before, in game Four it was one for one, and I wasn’t ready to go down without a fight then. But in this case, it would truly worth it.

Go on and vote for me. :slight_smile:

Note to the above. I just read Sach’s post and it seems that either she or Mhaye was the converted one. I really wish it wouldn’t take YET another town death just to find this out, but so be it.

Vote for me.

Yes, I want you to.

I’m going to go and sleep on this.

sachertorte, any proof you have is useful.

Being honest, I had you as my second Cultist person, so most of my ideas are out of the window if you are a Monk. :frowning:

It is definitely getting too close to the cut off mark for us to get this wrong though.

Idle Thoughts: stop asking to be martyred and go and find some proof or you will wind up losing the game for the town if you are right. If you want it in a bigger font, I can do that as well.

The only thing I have left to offer is this.
The Night that had the no kill started at this post.

Sach was still around and even posting one post before that one (go on, look for yourself), and he says this:

So therefore, even with the “modkill me” plea that would have started the next Day without him, if he were the Prophet, Cult STILL might have been able to recruit that Night. (Hence the NoKill).

Just all reeks to high heaven when you are seeing it all there like I am.

But no matter…vote for me.

If it’ll make you SHUT UP for a while… Vote Idle Thoughts.

What do you want from me? :frowning: I offered all the proof I had. Go read my three posts in a row before yours and the one after. I don’t know what else to tell you or say. This happened in M4 too and nothing I said or offered made any difference THAT time either. It was only on a whim that people discovered I was innocent. At least in this case it will get you all three Cult and not just one.

It’s just…man. I saved your life. Well not yours but your role. Doesn’t that mean ANYTHING? Can’t you just give me the benefit of the doubt ONE time? I know what I know and that is I’m a Monk and I’m not scum. All you and others have to do is kill ONE of those three (Hell, why not sach? He wanted to be anyway, remember?) and you’ll find out the truth. Do you have any idea how FRUSTRATING it is when you’re set up this way? Not just once but twice! Geez, man.

I’m pleading with you, trust me. On your life/role, I am not a Cult member. I saved you once. You probably won’t be able to save me. But at least have the faith in me? I don’t THINK that’s asking much. I doubt anyone else in here will. : /

Oh, sorry. So sorry I just don’t like laying down and GIVING UP.

If you can answer this one, I’ll remove their vote:

How the hell would they plan to set YOU up, if none of US knew who the MONKS were?

Well, for one, that was me being sarcastic. I have no idea if that exchange was said or not, but what does that matter? Does it matter if they set up someone they know to be town as opposed to someone they think might have a role?

Seems to me it wouldn’t to them. Think like scum for a minute, if you, in fact, REALLY ARE town (and really, this goes to everyone who really is town). They know who is who. True they don’t know who is WHAT but this late in the game, seems to me they’re going to be hitting roles more often then not with the amount of players left. Me, I had the luck of being a Monk, so when they decide to false claim as those and get help from the “Apprentice” it all sets up the real Monks who are helpless.

Real clever, I must say. Really freaking ingenious. Seems to have worked.

I think that can be explained as a mistake due to extreme paranoia (of which IT seems to suffer :wink: ).

Anyway, here’s a wild idea: what if **MHaye **is the Apprentice, and was converted? That would fit in with all of his investigation results. The main reason I was compelled to believe MHaye’s claim is that he would have been lucky to guess that both **sachertorte **and I were on the side of the Believers. However, if he was converted after investigating me, he wouldn’t have to guess at all. In fact, he could finger **sachertorte **as a Believer and everyone would believe him. There would be no counter-claim, as he truly was the Apprentice. And after coming out, his investigation turned up nothing. True, there’s a 50/50 chance of that happening anyway, but it seems to fit. Unvote Idle Thoughts.

Therefore, I will change my vote to sachertorte. If he comes up Town, I will suggest we kill IT and zuma. If he’s not a Believer, I suggest we kill **MHaye **and Cookies.

–FCOD

Trying to think of any or other proof that would help SHOW you all I’m really what I say I am.

What about when I unvoted Mad at the last minute? Please! EVERYONE was voting for him. IF I were really scum, why would I unvote him and have a lot of crap against me the next Day (something Pleonast even hit upon the next Day, in fact)? Look at my reply. I WAS being selfish because I knew what I was. I didn’t want to take the chance that Mad was either a town with some sort of secret power role (at that time Pleo had NOT YET claimed) that could maybe kill like the Avatar could… At least with the Avatar, you don’t know and tend not to care since you forget about it. Mad at the time, seemingly wanted to be killed though. That raised all MY alarms, at least. Wanting to be killed? I wasn’t going to take the chance since I have a power role. :rolleyes:
And on preview:

Unvote MHaye
Vote Sach

Although it really doesn’t matter to me if MHaye dies either because he’s lying through his teeth too. Maybe he IS the Apprentice…or was, rather… but yeah, he’s definitly not anymore whatever the case is. However I understand people not wanting to vote for him regardless. Trust me, if Sach doesn’t come up scum, I’ll be first in line for a lynch tomorrow with an apple in my mouth and so will zuma I’m sure. But I AM REALLY WHAT I SAY I AM. I SWEAR it.

By the way, his nonappearence is really starting to worry me.
OH, another one I just remembered. Back when I was accusing Diggit of not correcting amrussell on mixing him and zuma up.

OBVIOUSLY I’d be the one to correct this and notice it first. Because I was most suspicions of Diggit at that point yet zuma I knew the alignence of. This also explains why I kept finding it weird that Diggit didn’t correct him even though he (Diggit) was saying to me “Why aren’t you suspicious of zuma for doing the same thing?”

Luckily I didn’t have to make up a reason rather than say “because I know zuma isn’t scum” because zuma himself pointed it out that he (zuma) hadn’t posted until I HAD ALREADY CORRECTED amrussell, whereas diggit had posted a few times IN BETWEEN the mistake and my correction. Thank God because I hadn’t seen that (as referenced in a post of mine on that Day) and might have looked weird not having a good reason why I wasn’t accusing zuma too.

Links to all of these posts on request, although right now my comp is running slow (which is why I didn’t include them in the first place).

You’re seriously going to throw this out without seeing what zuma has to say?

Well crazy shit.

I see no reason to put a vote down until Zuma comes in and clarifies the situation from his point of view.

Agreed. zuma where are you?!

I already know that **zuma **is going to say that he and Idle Thoughts are Monks. **Idle **would be stupid to say **zuma **was a fellow Monk unless they were both Monks or both Scum. Either way, they’re going to agree.

We have two “blocks”: Idle Thoughts/zuma and sachertorte/Cookies/MHaye. I initially believed the latter because of MHaye…he would have had to be very lucky to guess that I was a Believer, and if he guessed wrong he would be exposed. However, now that I realize that **MHaye **could have been converted, it makes more sense to me that Idle Thoughts is telling the truth. I think if the Cult was planning to fake claim Monks, they’d be the first to claim. I don’t think they’d try to pull off such a plan from a counter-claim. Therefore, I’m voting for sachertorte, although I’d be just as fine with a **Cookies **lynch.

–FCOD

WTF??

Ok, so a lot seems to have happened since I last checked the game. I don’t have time to post my thoughts until Monday.

But I think I will have lots of them.

There is no end to the weirdness that is this game.

I want to see what zuma has to say about his drunken comments too

Me more than anyone because from his comments he seemed like he didn’t trust MHaye for some reason and I really want to know why now.

Tit for tat and all of that. This is my counter-example of attempting to communicate with scum outloud.