Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

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3181

Oh don’t stop there, Catina. Further more some seem to think that I’m Cult and Kyrie is the Prophet. IF I were CULT and IF KYRIE is the Prophet, WHY WOULD I do that with Kat? Both him and I were voting for her at the end!

I think you all need to conceed that you’re wrong on at least one of those, but most likely both since I KNOW I’M not Cult and I doubt Kyrie would vote for scum being a Prophet. Other scum maybe. I still hold suspicions of him myself and I note he hasn’t even BEEN in here to relieve them. But Prophet? I don’t know…something stinks about it.
Unvote Cookies
Vote MHaye

This is exactly what happened in Mafia four. WHY WHY WHY is it ALWAYS ME? Am I just easy to pick on?

3182

Ohhhh no, I know that it is. They all like to see my emotional defenses. That’s what it is, I bet.

Great.

3183

It’s not looking good for you, Idle. Even your alleged co-Monk, zuma has not said anything supporting your claim. No one has counter-claimed MHaye, either. You seem to be suggesting our “real” Apprentice has played mind-bogglingly stupid.

I’d like to hear from sachertorte before deciding who to vote for.

3184

Yeah, well, if you remember in the LAST GAME, I was suggesting that your “real” investigator was a fake too.

I am telling you, I AM A MONK! I SWEAR TO GOD. I SWEAR ON ANYTHING.

WHY would I unvote someone I KNEW to be town and vote for another Cultist? Not even doing that, WHY WOULD I be the vote that mattered? I could have just kept my vote on Mal/Catina and let another town, nay Disciple die. To be fair, though, nobody KNEW she was the Disciple yet, but still. I could have done that and where would we be now? Instead of ONE Cultist caught so far, there would be NONE.

Ohhh, what am I doing trying to convince you for? I was after your head for about half the game. I don’t expect you to show any mercy really. : /

3185

[QUOTE=CatinaSuit]
The main question I have is, If Idle Thoughts is a Cultist, why would he switch his vote from Malacandra to **Kat ** on day 2?
[/QUOTE]

To build trust.

I also find it interesting that you’re leaning toward giving Idle the benefit of the doubt to Idle and casting doubt toward MHaye given the information that is on the table. Granted, we are still in need of hearing what sachertore and zuma have to say, that doesn’t make your statements any less interesting to me.

3186

:smack: You know what I meant.

3187

Well, the only things I can see it possibly being with all the rules still applying is either:

A. MHaye is NOT who he says he is and is trying to set me up to steer me and everyone else away from you (Cookies) and doing this by claiming Sach is a Monk because all THREE of you are either original scum or two originals and one recruit.

or

B. MHaye is telling the truth, Sach is a Monk, and YOU are not (and were trying to bring down another person when it was found out you were actually Cult–make people think Sach really is/was too)

Those are the only two it can be, really. I mean, is there another way it works out or am I just missing it?

3188

[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
:smack: You know what I meant.
[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean. :slight_smile:

What I don’t want to do is repeat yesterday’s bandwagon dunking of **Diggit ** without trying to look at all the details and answering as many of the questions as possible.

Let’s just say I am waiting to see what certain people have to say before I make any full judgement on this.

Admittedly I am waiting for some 24pt type from **Idle Thoughts ** later today. :stuck_out_tongue:

3189

zuma, sachertorte, get in here and clear this up, please.

This would never have happened if the Monks had come forward yesterday when Zeriel was still alive, like I wanted. :rolleyes:

–FCOD

3190

Yeah, zuma, where are you anyway? I could use a little support here.

I’m not too keen on Sach straightening it out. I still feel that he, if anything was recruited. Either that or MHaye was on a lucky shot and sach was scum all long and now he’s (MHaye) just saying he (Sach) is a Monk to steer me and everyone away from the three of them.
Thing is…this game will be just about over anyway. Because whether everyone kills one of them three or me first just to find out I was TELLING THE TRUTH ALL LONG, everything will be found out.

3191

[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom]
zuma, sachertorte, get in here and clear this up, please.

This would never have happened if the Monks had come forward yesterday when Zeriel was still alive, like I wanted. :rolleyes:

–FCOD
[/QUOTE]

Don’t you see, though? THIS IS WHAT THEY WANTED. To kill off Zeriel and set this up. AND ON ME OF ALL PEOPLE.

I bet they had a good ol’ time on their boards or group talking about “Hey, let’s make Idle get all defensive over another set up!” :rolleyes: :dubious:

3192

[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom]
zuma, sachertorte, get in here and clear this up, please.

This would never have happened if the Monks had come forward yesterday when Zeriel was still alive, like I wanted. :rolleyes:

–FCOD
[/QUOTE]

Feel free to lay into me over Forbidden Nacho Surprise. What is done is done, and I still think we have a shot. But not if we’re rolling our eyes anywhere but around the pool of potential scum.

3193

Thing is, I had a sense this would happen, which is why I waited and bided my time. I probably wouldn’t have come out toDay either if Cookies hadn’t, but the chance to get more Cult when so far there’s only been ONE found was too great. One and a potential two, I thought at the time. Now it seems a potential THREE!

3194

Here’s a proposal. Chose for yourselves what you think of it.

I’ll go toe-to-toe with Idle and zuma right now. People choose if they believe everything that I include in my claim: that I and sachertorte are monks, or if they do not believe it.

Vote me or Idle Thoughts accordingly (paying heed to not cause any countdowns, as we need this day to last as long as possible).

Sachertorte - I would stay silent and read as much as you possibly can…5 times over…and deliver at least one of the following, leaving enough time for at least some discussion afterwards:

-Confirmation/denial of my claim
-A vote and/or a campaign against the Prophet

3195

And I just have to say, tongue in cheek, that these Cult Scum are some cocky motherf*ckers to try and pull off a PUI exploit (whether it was authentic or not, it was exploited) AND an emo-flame out…seriously. :stuck_out_tongue:

3196

[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
Sachertorte - I would stay silent and read as much as you possibly can…5 times over…and deliver at least one of the following, leaving enough time for at least some discussion afterwards:

-Confirmation/denial of my claim
-A vote and/or a campaign against the Prophet
[/QUOTE]

Snipped.

Now see, this here looks like scum trying to secretly communicate strategy to other scum during Day.

TO ME, at least, this just reads like a “Sach, read everything over closely and then decide if you want to say you’re a Monk too and therefore give my case some creedence (however we’ll both go down together, as you know) or if you’d rather distance yourself from me and pretend you don’t know what’s going on and leave me to take the hit alone; either way, I’m fine with it.”

Is NOBODY else seeing this?

3197

Right,

I am going to apologise for playing Devil’s Advocate to both sides and being generally really, really paranoid and assume the worst about both groups.

Idle T. If you really are a Monk, I want cites from previous posts which could intimate that you are what you claim and further proof that **Cookies ** and **sachertorte ** are Cultists.

Cookies: Its a good idea but with one flaw.
<extreme paranoia mode>
If Idle T is right, **MHaye ** has been recruited and you are lying, then killing Idle T today will probably lose us the game after tonight’s kill.
</extreme paranoia mode>

I would propose something extra, unless something conclusive comes up and I don’t mean MHaye’s call. Sorry MHaye, after **Diggit ** I would like something else as well.

I think the town should be looking for other any other Cultists and not just concentrate on sorting out which set of Monks are actually Monks.

So a question for the rest of the town, other than the current possible monks who do you think are the possible other Cultists??

3198

Catina, can you tell us who was protected on the no-kill night? That may help us sort this whole mess out. If it was MHaye, then we can be pretty sure he’s telling the truth. If not… I dunno…

3199

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Because, see, she is not a monk. I should know because I’m a monk and zuma is the third one. From the beginning there were four of us: storyteller, Zeriel, zuma, and myself.
[/QUOTE]

This was truly baffling. Why would Idle Thoughts, who had garnered so much trust in the dunking of Kat, false roleclaim monk? I was very confused until I read this:

[QUOTE=CatinaSuit]
Ok, I think we have a problem.

Assuming 5 Cultists:

If the recruit has gone ahead, that would make 6 Cultists, one wrong kill today and a night kill would mean equal cult and town at which point we have lost.
[/QUOTE]

Which makes the most sense. I know the game as been going for quite a while, but are we really at a “lynch-or-lose” situation? Honesty, if we are (and we’ve been terrible at dunking scum) then a Night ‘whatever’ no-kill being a recruitment makes actual sense as it brings the game closer to finality (can someone check this for me, does recruitment move the game closer to a scum win than a straightforward kill?)

Mafia V had four Monks:
storyteller
Zeriel
Cookies
and sachertorte
(Who would have thought that I’d be the last Monk to roleclaim. During and after Day One I was certain that I’d be first.)

Idle thoughts is lying and therefore is scum. But I don’t think Idle Thoughts is so stupid. Scum knows how many mis-directed kills town has until losing the game. The numbers are in scum’s favor at this time, and I doubt Idle Thoughts would ‘give’ us himself and zuma so freely. Clearly Idle Thoughts is scum, but I doubt zuma is.

Originally, I was going to suggest not dunking Idle Thoughts and leaving him alive as nighttime fodder for the Alchemist to target. However, if the numbers indicate we are at our last chance at getting scum, then the idea is quite… well risky. But here is my thinking. If we are at ‘lynch-or-lose’ then the only event that can get us away from this state are nighttime blocks. The Alchemist is one way we can create a night time block. Now that we have a confirmed scum (at least confirmed to me, and hopefully the rest of the town sees it that way as well) we can use this opportunity to use the Alchemist to try and create a nightkill block. It’s risky, but my feeling is if we dunk Idle Thoughts today, then we’re right back to trying to find scum tomorrow at a lynch-or-lose situation. Also, as we catch more scum the Alchemist’s block percentages become stronger in the town’s favor. Mitigating factors of course include the presence of the Apprentice. It may be worth dunking a sure-thing Idle Thoughts to extend the game so that the Apprentice can do one more investigation. I’m not convinced this is the best course of action because the Apprentice may not survive the night anyway, and tomorrow we would be faced with similar difficulties.

Idle Thoughts’s play along with Kat was very convincing. But why Idle Thoughts? Why not some other scum? Furthermore, why is Idle Thoughts playing with fire right now? Why not some other scum? Was Idle Thoughts coming under fire? I don’t recall so. So who IS under fire. Who is Idle Thoughts drawing fire from?

Anyway. I’m a Monk. Cookies is a Monk too.

I need the town to do a quick poll on who you believe more: Me or Idle Thoughts? If we need to dig up “proof” I can do so, I just don’t want to bother if Idle Thoughts is already talking to a wall.

3200

My vote stands on Idle Thoughts. Sorry Idle, but sachertorte, Cookies, and **MHaye **are all in agreement, and I have to believe that **MHaye **is the Apprentice at this point.

–FCOD