Ah, well, I see you did now.
I need a blaring horn and a flashing light to tell me there is another page when I come in and hit refresh. :smack:
Looking back through the game, if you consider that sachertorte and I are monks, you will see me come as close as I could to defending him on many occasions. You will also may observe general pussy-footing between sachertorte, Zeriel and myself. At least I hope that something will be audible in hindsight for each (or at least some) of the times I got nervous about our relationships being too transparent. My various suspicions about Idle are also sprinkled throughout the game.
I believe Hockey is telling the trough about the no-kill night, and I can at least confirm that Mhaye’s claim that sachertorte reads as town is at least accurate. You all have to decide for yourself how you feel about Mhaye otherwise.
I think the town should consider persuing Kyrie, because Idle wouldn’t be putting both he and zuma’s scummy necks out on the line if either of them were the Prophet. All it takes is me or sachertore to die, or sachertorte to return for things to get awfully wet for Idle and zuma. I do not think the Prophet would be risking his or her neck as such.
And as for this BS about sachertorte being the Prophet
it is just that…BS. 
Morning all,
Well, I actually went back and read all of **sachertorte’s ** posts last night (Nairu help me). I will be honest and say that in only a couple of posts does he post something that to me looks scummy. However, the general way in which he is playing just strikes me as wrong.
The main people he interacted with though were **Queuing ** and USCDiver. No, I do not see the pussyfooting around between Cookies, **Zeriel ** and sachertorte.
What I did notice in passing was **Cookies ** unvoting a Cultist and not revoting again on Day 2.
Also for the non-kill night - use Occam’s Razor
- FP was self-protected on the night of the hit.
- FP was protecting the now claimed Disciple on the next night.
If there is a simpler solution, please let me know
Hockey Monkey - Sorry, but unless we have a large reduction in Cult numbers I don’t see the Alchemists as being effective. I also don’t think Kyrie Eleison is a Cultist 
What is really annoying is that if there were four monks, **Zeriel ** could have named one of them without totally losing their effeectiveness 
At this point in time, I am more likely to believe Idle Thoughts than Cookies
Especially since it’s pretty convenient that Cookies named sach, who’s made it well known that he’ll be on vacation till the end of the Day.
Hi. I’m back. As far as I can tell, I’m still alive. I’m reading now.
I think somebody may have been misreading my roleclaim post. Just to remind people what I put in.
Firstly, how I was going to report my results.
[QUOTE=Myself in 2967]
Before revealing the investigations, please understand that if the subject is still alive, I will report only one of three results.[ul][li]The subject believes in Nairu,[/li][li]the subject does not believe in Nairu,[/li][li]or the subject is the Avatar of Sekham.[/ul]I’ll reveal the actual results of investigations of dead players.[/li][quote]
What This Means is “I’m not going to say whether a living investigatee is a Believer or a town-aligned power role.”
Then what I actually reported for Sachertorte.
I never said Sachertorte had the role of Believer - I said he believed in Nairu. You’ll notice that I used the same language for all the other investigatees, even though both Pleonast and CatinaSuit had claimed Town-aligned roles before I made my claim.
I prefer to let power roles do what they will rather than force my ideas on them, so I carefully avoided confirming any power role status - and I’ll remind you that this issue was discussed in Day 5 when Zeriel claimed, and at that time no more Monks came forward. So I chose to blur the results of all Town aligned readings into the generic “Ecks believes in Nairu.”
With this controversy, I think the town needs the extra piece of information to sort out the argument.
Sachertorte is a Monk.
CatinaSuit is indeed the Disciple.
FlyingCowofDoom is just what he said at the end of Yesterday. A vanilla Believer.
Pleonast came up as a Believer.
What this means is that Sachertorte will be able to tell us truthfully whether DarkCookies is a Monk or not, when he finally gets to this point.
Welcome back from holiday, Sachertorte. Good timing.
(For some bizarre reason I’m unable to preview my post. I hope the hamsters are still working,)
Simple question sachertorte: Are you the Alchemist? If not, what are you.
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Sorry about 3168. Most of the text is still there, if you quote it. I failed to close a quote tag properly. Reasearch in ATMB revealed my blunder.
I’m going to try reposting it below. Fortunately I was able to paste the post into an OpenOffice document, complete with the quote causing the problem, now fixed.
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I think somebody may have been misreading my roleclaim post. Just to remind people what I put in.
Firstly, how I was going to report my results.
[QUOTE=Myself in 2967]
Before revealing the investigations, please understand that if the subject is still alive, I will report only one of three results.[ul][li]The subject believes in Nairu,[/li][li]the subject does not believe in Nairu,[/li][li]or the subject is the Avatar of Sekham.[/ul]I’ll reveal the actual results of investigations of dead players.[/li][/quote]
What This Means is “I’m not going to say whether a living investigatee is a Believer or a town-aligned power role.”
Then what I actually reported for Sachertorte.
I never said Sachertorte had the role of Believer - I said he believed in Nairu. You’ll notice that I used the same language for all the other investigatees, even though both Pleonast and CatinaSuit had claimed Town-aligned roles before I made my claim.
I prefer to let power roles do what they will rather than force my ideas on them, so I carefully avoided confirming any power role status - and I’ll remind you that this issue was discussed in Day 5 when Zeriel claimed, and at that time no more Monks came forward. So I chose to blur the results of all Town aligned readings into the generic “Ecks believes in Nairu.”
With this controversy, I think the town needs the extra piece of information to sort out the argument.
Sachertorte is a Monk.
CatinaSuit is indeed the Disciple.
FlyingCowofDoom is just what he said at the end of Yesterday. A vanilla Believer.
Pleonast came up as a Believer.
What this means is that Sachertorte will be able to tell us truthfully whether DarkCookies is a Monk or not, when he finally gets to this point.
Welcome back from holiday, Sachertorte. Good timing.
(For some bizarre reason I’m unable to preview my post. I hope the hamsters are still working…)
Looks like there’s two people we need to hear from: sachertorte and zuma. Do you claim to be a Monk? Who are the other Monks?
I mulled this over while eating lunch.
Firstly, I have been assuming since Zeriels roleclaim on Day 5 that there were four Monks.
Last Night, I analysed voting patterns to see if I could spot who might be the fourth Monk, primarily to avoid investigating that person. It turns out that there were two players who had never once voted for any of the three Monks nor had the three Monks voted for them. Those two players were DarkCookies and Idle Thoughts.
Since I knew Sachertorte was a Monk, that inclined me to accept DarkCookies claim.
IT now claims that he is a Monk, and Sachertorte is not. I don’t believe this claim. Worse he claimed that zuma[sub]2[/sub] is a Monk. It is possible that either they are both Cult and this gambit was planned last Night, or IT is Cult and seized on zuma[sub]2[/sub]'s PUI to hatch this plan and take me down.
I’m trying to think of reasons why a non-Cult player would have done what IT did. At the moment I can’t think of any.
They’ve already succeeded in learning one thing - who the Monks are. If they haven’t yet converted someone, they now know who to avoid. (Unless there’s another Monk out there.) That may indeed be the point of the gambit.
[co;or=blue]VoteIdle Thoughts[/color]
EBWOP.
Well, in lieu of another player claiming Apprentice, I don’t see any reason not to believe MHaye. I’m very interested to hear from **zuma **and IT. And sachertorte.
For now, Vote Idle Thoughts.
–FCOD
Believe me, I want to dunk Idle, but I think we should consider trying to triangulate the Prophet.
I think getting the Prophet is extremely important, however, I don’t know if we have the luxury of letting a known cultist live and risking a mis-dunk toDay, then losing another townie toNight. I believe **Cookies ** and **Sach ** are the remaining Monks. In **MHaye’s ** claim where he laid out the investigations, he alluded to the fact that he got a pro-town reading on one of them and didn’t want to out them. I figured it was Sach.
So, out of who we have left:
Kyrie Eleison - Possible Prophet, probable Cult
Idle Thoughts - Cult
USC Diver
NAF1138
Pygmy Rugger
Queuing - Probable Cult considering his vehemence to the Monks claiming yesterDay
Zuma - Possible Cult - Idle could be trying to trap him
I think we need to dunk our bird in the hand and leave the two in the bush for toMorrow. Unvote Kyrie Eleison, vote Idle Thoughts.
Same for Zeriel, zuma I and even Storyteller back in the Day. If you’ll recall it was Storyteller that I said I believed regarding the first suspicions of Pleonast that ever came onto my radar.
And later, I talked about how both of the Z’s exchange rang true and seemed like town to me.
Earlier, on Day Two or Three, there was a point where Zeriel was showing active suspicion of me, but I assume this was to at least put some distance between ourselves so it wouldn’t be apparent to scum who to look for who weren’t voting for or even expressing any suspicions of.
Just earlier at the start of this Day in fact, before you came forth with your claim, I tried poking zuma asking what he was seeing that I apparently wasn’t, and calling him out on his weird behavior.
Me, I believe him. shrugs I don’t have any reason not to right now, and with you coming forth and putting sach out with you, I don’t think he’s a recruit anymore (if there is a recruit at all–and I feel there is, but with your compadre). This is why I hope to hear from zuma again, and hopefully not like he was before in this thread, to hear what he’s got to offer.
It doesn’t matter. Your days are number
THIS I believe, actually. Sach seemed all too willing to die via modkill right before he left. This is one of the main reasons I don’t feel or think he’s the Prophet. It just doesn’t ring true. However, again, based on MHaye’s research, he investigates as a believer. This leads me to believe that he is, instead, a/the recruit.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa…hold ON a minute! She is not! zuma and I are monks. 
Now I’m really starting to question if you’re the Apprentice or not. You’re saying Sach IS a Monk? And I just went back to the start where the rules are and see that the Monks investigate as Monks.
There’s something rotten going on here. I no longer think you’re the Apprentice.
I AM A MONK! Seriously. As is zuma.
YOU are cult. You have to be. You and Cookies and possibly Sach too.
I AM A MONK! I swear to God!
Jesus Christ WHY DOES this happen to ME in every game?!
Oh and the irony doesn’t escape me. zuma was the one that did it to me last game. :smack:
Ok, I think we have a problem.
Assuming 5 Cultists:
If the recruit has gone ahead, that would make 6 Cultists, one wrong kill today and a night kill would mean equal cult and town at which point we have lost.
If the recruit has not gone ahead, we get two shots at getting a Cultist before we run out of townies.
If it becomes difficult to seperate the two sets of monks, I would suggest trying to find another cultist and trying to get them dunked instead.
MHaye. I would like to believe you but something just seems wrong. Also why did you investigate **Queuing ** last night?
The main question I have is, If Idle Thoughts is a Cultist, why would he switch his vote from Malacandra to **Kat ** on day 2?