Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

The Game Room
3701

[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
I said “One of the reasons”. I thought it was obvious that I would block him as long as he’s alive. But you yourself keep pointing out how useless my powers are.
[/QUOTE]

That’s incorrect. I keep pointing out how useless your powers are at finding scum. You’re trying to use it as an investigative role. It’s not. When we know a Cultist whom is alive at night, you have about a 20% chance of blocking a night action. That’s not useless.

I still think you were recruited, and this crazy talk about trying to find the Prophet instead of going after Cultists in general to avoid the Avatar, which we have to kill anyway, is only adding to that suspicion. However, I still think toDay the town should vote between myself, NAF, and USC.

Since USC is using this same crazy logic:

[QUOTE=USCDiver]
I think we can assume there was a recruit last Night. Let’s hear from our blocking/protecting roles first however. I think we should look for the Prophet though because zuma is likely to be a regular Cultist and possibly the Avatar unless MHaye happened to investigate him last night to be sure.
<snip>
[/QUOTE]

My vote lays squarely with USCDiver.

3702

[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
That’s incorrect. I keep pointing out how useless your powers are at finding scum. You’re trying to use it as an investigative role. It’s not. When we know a Cultist whom is alive at night, you have about a 20% chance of blocking a night action. That’s not useless.

I still think you were recruited, and this crazy talk about trying to find the Prophet instead of going after Cultists in general to avoid the Avatar, which we have to kill anyway, is only adding to that suspicion. However, I still think toDay the town should vote between myself, NAF, and USC.

Since USC is using this same crazy logic:

My vote lays squarely with USCDiver.
[/QUOTE]

Wait, what I’m suggesting is not a crazy logic, it’s a strategy and whether or not you agree that it’s a good one is different from using ‘crazy logic’. I never said that Hockey Monkey should be using his role as an investigative role, I was talking about MHaye.

Are you saying we shouldn’t be looking for the Prophet? Why shouldn’t we? Looking for the Prophet is the same thing as looking for Cult.

Your own logic makes no sense. If you are convinced that Hockey Monkey has been recruited then your vote should lay squarely on him and not on a player who is in the ‘unknowns’.

==========================

And now for the post I was composing when I saw your post:

I’d like to take some more time looking at Pygmy Rugger. First off, this role has changed hands quite a few time. Initially it was Captain Carrot who subbed out relatively early (Day 1, I believe) to be replaced by Nava.

Voting record for Nava:
Day 1: no vote
Day 2: late vote for sachertorte
Day 3: no vote
Day 4: no vote
Day 5: no vote

At some point between Day 5 and Day 6, Pygmy Rugger takes over the role and begins to actually play. His voting record:

Day 6: vote and unvote Kyrie, ends day voting for fluiddruid
Day 7: vote and unvote HockeyMonkey, ends day voting for amrussell
Day 8: vote and unvote MHaye, ends day voting for Diggit2
Day 9: vote and unvote Idle Thoughts, ends day with NO VOTE
Day 10: not yet voted

Let’s also take a minute to look at the final votes for Pygmy Rugger on Day 6 and Day 7:

Day 6: Pygmy Rugger(5): Queuing, amrussell, Cookies, FCOD, fluiddruid (finished 2nd)
Day 7: Pygmy Rugger(4): FCOD, Cookies, Fretful Porpentine, zuma (finished 2nd)

My analysis, understand this is biased by my view that he is a Cultists and probably the Prophet as well. Thus far the role played by Pygmy Rugger has ended the day with no votes on anyone other than confirmed town and aside from a brief vote for Kyrie and Idle, has made no vote at all that hasn’t been for confirmed town.

Also nearly everyone who has voted for him have been either confirmed town or players I believe to be town. The only exception to this is a vote from zuma that came about 2 minutes prior to the end of Day 7. This was the confusing day where malacandra had role claimed and the mob began to turn toward amrussell. zuma’s vote just at the deadline did not change the leader and in light of zuma’s Cultiness smacks of cultist trying to gain town cred for himself in the event Pygmy Rugger was lynched at a later date.

Anyway, my vote stays on Pygmy Rugger

Unofficial vote count:

Pygmy Rugger(2) - USCDiver, FCOD
Kyrie Eleison(2) - zuma, Queuing
Queuing(2) - NAF1138, Hockey Monkey
zuma(1) - Pleonast
USCDiver(1) - Pygmy Rugger

8 out of 12 votes cast. Yet to vote: CatinaSuit, Kyrie Eleison, Cookies, MHaye

3703

[QUOTE=USCDiver]
Wait, what I’m suggesting is not a crazy logic, it’s a strategy and whether or not you agree that it’s a good one is different from using ‘crazy logic’. I never said that Hockey Monkey should be using his role as an investigative role, I was talking about MHaye.

Are you saying we shouldn’t be looking for the Prophet? Why shouldn’t we? Looking for the Prophet is the same thing as looking for Cult.

Your own logic makes no sense. If you are convinced that Hockey Monkey has been recruited then your vote should lay squarely on him and not on a player who is in the ‘unknowns’.
[/quote]

<snip>

Sorry for the confusion, I did not mean to imply that you agreed with Hockey (who’s a gal, btw) when she’s trying to use her role to somehow flush out scum.

The reason we shouldn’t be looking for the Prophet specifically is because to do so, you’d have to kill those that have investigated as believer. That’s just silly. The rest of the Cult will be able to influence the vote during the hunt. In addition, the pool of unknowns is likely to contain more scum than the pool of those who have either been confirmed believer or who have been confirmed non-Avatar. Allowing zuma to live right now is acceptable. Not going after a player in the pool that contains the highest percentage of likely scum is poor play, and is very anti-town.

3704

[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
<snip>

Not going after a player in the pool that contains the highest percentage of likely scum is poor play, and is very anti-town.
[/QUOTE]

Well, this I can agree with and since you and I are both in that group, I see no reason why my vote for you and my general play would be considered anti-town. I’m aware that the Apprentice investigates the Prophet as Believer and I’m not proposing we use the Apprentice’s investigations to identify the Prophet, but to use posting and voting patterns. I’d be just as happy to get a regular cultist using the same methods, but killing the Prophet will protect us once and for all from a recruit if it hasn’t already happened.

3705

[QUOTE=USCDiver]
snipped

Unofficial vote count:

Pygmy Rugger(2) - USCDiver, FCOD
Kyrie Eleison(2) - zuma, Queuing
Queuing(2) - NAF1138, Hockey Monkey
zuma(1) - Pleonast
USCDiver(1) - Pygmy Rugger

8 out of 12 votes cast. Yet to vote: CatinaSuit, Kyrie Eleison, Cookies, MHaye
[/QUOTE]

This isn’t shaping up to be much of a concensus, is it?

3706

[QUOTE=USCDiver]
Well, this I can agree with and since you and I are both in that group, I see no reason why my vote for you and my general play would be considered anti-town. I’m aware that the Apprentice investigates the Prophet as Believer and I’m not proposing we use the Apprentice’s investigations to identify the Prophet, but to use posting and voting patterns. I’d be just as happy to get a regular cultist using the same methods, but killing the Prophet will protect us once and for all from a recruit if it hasn’t already happened.
[/QUOTE]

I have no problem with your vote for me. I chose you over NAF simply because of the statement I quoted, coupled with Hockey voting for NAF.

Posting and voting patterns are fine, but we’ve caught exactly one scum this game by that method. Unless you count Idle as being caught by posting patterns. We have some absolute numbers here, with MHaye’s investigations, that we must use as a tool if the town is to survive.

3707

[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
I have no problem with your vote for me. I chose you over NAF simply because of the statement I quoted, coupled with Hockey voting for NAF.

Posting and voting patterns are fine, but we’ve caught exactly one scum this game by that method. Unless you count Idle as being caught by posting patterns. We have some absolute numbers here, with MHaye’s investigations, that we must use as a tool if the town is to survive.
[/QUOTE]

Except that I’m voting for Queuing.

3708

Pygmy Rugger, let me make sure I have this straight…

You think that Hockey Monkey has been converted (3701) and you think that the Town should vote for either Pygmy Rugger (you), NAF1138 or USCDiver (me). I have voted for you and you think (incorrectly) that Hockey Monkey has voted for NAF, so you decide to place your vote on me.

Now I still can’t understand why you don’t vote for Hockey Monkey if you feel she’s been recruited, but I guess we can let that slide for now. I suppose I could understand you not wanting to vote for the same player (NAF) that you think a Cultist (Hockey) has voted for. But wouldn’t it make more sense to at least look to be sure who is voting for whom before you make such a misleading statment? Particularly since a vote count (albeit unofficial) has been posted (3702) and quoted (3705) had been posted prior to your vote explanation (3706).

3709

Excuse me, I meant voting with NAF, not voting for him.

I’ve already tried to vote for Hockey after the first no-kill night, and was pretty much unanimously shot down.

3710

Well,

I have been catching up on the threads and it seems there are several little battles going on.

But I have drawn the following conclusions:

**Pygmy Rugger ** - I think you are a Cultist. But just an ordinary one and maybe the Avatar. Your repeated calls to investigate a narrow band of people seem a little too insistent. I think you are trying to ensure that the Prophet is not taken down tonight even at the cost of your own life.

It would also make me think that **USCDiver ** and **NAF ** are possibliy not Cultists as it gives you a better chance to escape a dunking and keep the Prophet alive.

Queuing. I think you are a Cultist, but not the Avatar.
This is the second time you have used someone else’s justification to dunk someone. The first was Diggit v2. During his bandwagon, I asked for proof and you said that 70/30 from **MHaye ** was good enough for you. Passing the responsibility to someone else is a scummy trait.

There are also pointers to both of you in **Idle Thoughts’s ** post, which at first glance seem ordinary, but with the hindsight of a him being a Cultist appear a lot more telling. I will add that the remainder of the pointers are for confirmed townies.

Personally, I do not think anyone has been recruited yet and I would subscribe to having 8 town and 4 cultists left. A misDunk and recruit tonight would leave it as 7 town and 5 cultists leading to a possible endgame tomorrow. My other reason for thinking I managed a block last night. Everyone has been very careful to state that they think the recruit had happened. If it had occured, then the possibility that I might have succeeded should have been raised. But it hasn’t.

Being honest, I do not think they will recruit until **zuma ** is dead and Hockey Monkey has to guess a Cultist, unless they are forced. That is why finding the others today is of real importance.

I will be investigating further before placing a vote. But it is nominally on Pygmy Rugger

3711

[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
Excuse me, I meant voting with NAF, not voting for him.

I’ve already tried to vote for Hockey after the first no-kill night, and was pretty much unanimously shot down.
[/QUOTE]

That makes even less sense! If you think Hockey is a Cultist now and he’s voting with someone (NAF) who is already on your short list (me, you and NAF), why would you vote for me instead of NAF?!

3712

Quick status post. I haven’t read anything since yesterday afternoon.

I’m without internet access at home until sometime next week. We came home from work on Friday afternoon to find that the guys re-surfacing the roof and installing gutters had “accidentally” unhooked our wireless antennae because it was in the way.

I’m stealing 5 minutes at the computer at my cousin’s 18th birthday.

I’ll be back online early Monday morning from work. Sorry y’all. :frowning:

3713

[QUOTE=USCDiver]
That makes even less sense! If you think Hockey is a Cultist now and he’s voting with someone (NAF) who is already on your short list (me, you and NAF), why would you vote for me instead of NAF?!
[/QUOTE]

Hockey is a she.

If they’re both Cultist, they may both be trying to get the same person killed. A bigger reason is your crazy Avatar theory, though.

3714

[QUOTE=CatinaSuit]
Well,

I have been catching up on the threads and it seems there are several little battles going on.

But I have drawn the following conclusions:

**Pygmy Rugger ** - I think you are a Cultist. But just an ordinary one and maybe the Avatar. Your repeated calls to investigate a narrow band of people seem a little too insistent. I think you are trying to ensure that the Prophet is not taken down tonight even at the cost of your own life.
<snip>
[/QUOTE]

I think you are misunderstanding what I have proposed. The only reason I’m being insistent is because I believe it’s the best way to proceed. I have always been a very logical (which doesn’t always mean correct, I’ll concede) and linear in my thoughts.

Let me try one more time. Trying to find the Prophet means going for people that aren’t the Avatar. Going for the unknowns means we might get the Avatar, and take out a townie. I think the risk of killing one (or zero, if we get a Cultist) with the Avatar is better than the risk of killing two or three on a hunt for the Prophet. Meanwhile, the Avatar and another scum or two will still be out there. If we get the Avatar before we get the other scum or two, which would be a 50-67% chance, depending on how many scum are left, we may end up losing three or four townies. We simply can’t afford to do that.

3715

[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
Hockey is a she.

If they’re both Cultist, they may both be trying to get the same person killed. A bigger reason is your crazy Avatar theory, though.
[/QUOTE]

Exactly, “If they’re both Cultist”. You’ve already said you think HockeyMonkey (she) is a convert. Now you’re saying NAF1138 is a Cultist too and yet you vote for me of the three on your short list.

Remind me again what my “crazy Avatar theory” is.

3716

Hell, for all I know, both you and NAF are Cultists. I can’t garner any support for Hockey, so I’m not going to try and beat that drum anytime soon. I hope to get both USC and NAF dunked from the town, unless MHaye decides to investigate one of them and they come back as a believer. At which time, they’d enter the believer pool, which should be the third pool to be dunked.

[QUOTE=USCDiver]
Exactly, “If they’re both Cultist”. You’ve already said you think HockeyMonkey (she) is a convert. Now you’re saying NAF1138 is a Cultist too and yet you vote for me of the three on your short list.

Remind me again what my “crazy Avatar theory” is.
[/QUOTE]

Here’s my theory.

[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
<snip>
Let me try one more time. Trying to find the Prophet means going for people that aren’t the Avatar. Going for the unknowns means we might get the Avatar, and take out a townie. I think the risk of killing one (or zero, if we get a Cultist) with the Avatar is better than the risk of killing two or three on a hunt for the Prophet. Meanwhile, the Avatar and another scum or two will still be out there. If we get the Avatar before we get the other scum or two, which would be a 50-67% chance, depending on how many scum are left, we may end up losing three or four townies. We simply can’t afford to do that.
[/QUOTE]

Here’s your theory.

It’s basically the opposite of mine. I think that’s crazy talk.

Thanks for making me bring it up again, though, **USC, ** considering Catina thinks I can’t stop talking about it, and you ever so subtly ask me to “remind you again”, even though I told you on this very page.

3717

I’ve read a few people say things like “I don’t think Queuing is the Avatar.” I’d just like to point out that the Avatar, if investigated, ALWAYS comes back correctly. 100% of the time. This means that Queuing is not the Avatar, and Kyrie Eleison is not the Avatar.

–FCOD

3718

[QUOTE=CatinaSuit]
As for Idle Thoughts, how did he say so much without saying much at all.
[/QUOTE]

:cool:

3719

Pygmy Rugger.

I think you have misunderstood the point as well.

This is the current list of possibles:
**FlyingCowofDoom
NAF1138
Queuing
USCDiver
Kyrie Eleison
Pygmy Rugger **

I would guess that there are 3 Cultists in this group of 6.

There are certain facts we do know, that if they are Cultists:
**FlyingCowofDoom ** can only be the Prophet
**Queuing ** is not the Avatar
**Kyrie Eleison ** is not the Avatar.

Your proposal is to split down the group further and only concentrate on a subset which might only contain 1 Cultist

eg:
NAF1138
USCDiver
Pygmy Rugger

You are proposing that we ignore half the group to look for a Cultists, when there is a 50/50 chance that 2 out of the remaining 3 Cultists are in the other group. A Cultist would know the actual people and insist that we only look in the group, which does not have the Prophet in.

And one last thing, I am not holding you at the top of my suspicion list over just splitting the groups down. I have called you out as a Cultist and you have blanked it. Are you not even interested in why or was I spot on?

3720

[QUOTE=CatinaSuit]
<snip>
And one last thing, I am not holding you at the top of my suspicion list over just splitting the groups down. I have called you out as a Cultist and you have blanked it. Are you not even interested in why or was I spot on?
[/QUOTE]

Until you tell me why, I can’t defend it. When all you say is, “You’re a Cultist”, my only defense would be to say, “I’m not a Cultist.” So, while I can’t say that I’m not interested in your reasons for why you think I’m scum, I cannot provide any type of defense if you don’t make your reasons known.

I’ve done my best to explain my theory concerning “splitting” the town into two non-arbitrary groups, one of which can be made to shrink very quickly (through dunkings and investigations), and then we will be able to focus on the next group. If the town really thinks it’s such a bad idea (crazy talk), let’s go after the other set.